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    Moving up for Derrick Brown? Pick #13 and #44 for Pick #6 or #7...

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    1 hour ago, Gigc said:

    we don't have to get snippy with each other. Plenty of reallllly smart NFL GMs have said over and over, the game starts with two things: a passer, and second, someone to disrupt the other team's passer.

    Play a game. Insert the greatest DL you can think of into our lineup. Say Reggie White. How many wins does that get us? seriously. Then, think of adding a dynamic passer. How many wins.

    Who was more important? Manning or Freeney and Mathis? 

    i pick passer. Now, it's not a zero-sum game. we could take a qb with one of our second round picks. 

    But I'd rather aim for a qb. that's just me.

    Oh, and this year, i think there are good qb prospects. after burrow and tua, I think Love and Eason are first round prospects, and Fromm isn't far behind.

    Okay... Reggie White, Warren Sapp,  Haloti Ngata, Ndamukong Suh or Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Matt Leinart, EJ manual, Blake Bortles, Marcus Marriota, Paxton Lynch, (comparable to QB4,5,6 in this years draft) etc...

    Moving up for Derrick Brown? Pick #13 and #44 for Pick #6 or #7...

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    9 minutes ago, pacolts56 said:

    Exactly..... Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw are not only penetrators and game-wreckers.... they are "tone setters" in the interior that would bring added value to our back seven guys.

     

    Under a scenario where the Lions and Giants don't select Brown or Kinlaw.... and given the likelihood that Miami (Tua) and the Chargers (I'm predicting Love here) select QBs..... one or both of these DTs should be available at #8 where the Cardinals pick just ahead of Jacksonville. 

     

    If only one of those guys is available at #8.... I would absolutely pitch a deal to AZ of our #13 and #75 pick.... and a flip-flop of our #34 for their #40 in Round 2. 

     

    That would be an equitable swap and basically we're giving up a 3rd rounder and five spots in Round 2 to move up for Brown or Kinlaw.

     

    If BOTH are available at #8? I almost guarantee that the Jags will take one of them.... and we'll be sweating out the next 3 selections.

     

    I respect and totally get the QB-centric crowd sentiment in this discussion.... we've not been in QB purgatory like this in 20 years.

     

    And if Jordan Love IS the next Patrick Mahomes 2-3 years from now.... whether we select him or not... I'll gladly take my lumps for doubting him.

     

    At the same time.... remember that the closest thing we've had to a dominant DT in a full 28 years is Steve Emtman.... and his career was short-lived as he wound up maimed in both knees and out of football. 

     

    And let's also remember that lacking that disruptive force on the interior DL costed us come playoff time.... and that was WITH Peyton Manning at QB....and Marvin...and Reggie....and Edge. 

     

    All that HALL OF FAME juice on offense and we won 1 Lombardi.

     

    This tells me that we shouldn't just reject out of hand the idea for moving up for a "best in breed" game-changer such as Brown of Kinlaw. Not to be reckless about it or to overpay....but we shouldn't just rule it out because of this overblown "positional value" line of thinking. JMO

     

     

     

     

    Completely Agree... I give you Mr. Derrick Brown...The Beast!

     

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    Math for Pick #13

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    42 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

    Most QBs are projects anyway. Even the Carson Wentz' taken at the top of round 1 have a developmental year.  FOMO isnt something that should keep us from taking QB in the 1st. We should take the best prospect accounting for positional value, trading up or down as necessary. If that happens to be QB, great.

    I don’t think we are in fear of missing out on anything... I just think QB 4,5,6... are not going to crack into/onto our board... until much later.

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    There is only one guy I want above everyone else in the 2020 draft

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    8 hours ago, Shafty138 said:

    No, your remarks aren't nonsense.  The disingenuous part would be making allusion s to Brissett being exceptional at anything before he lost his weapons... He went from needing others to help him suffice, to not being able to .ai rain an average to below average level of personal play on his own...  Loves ceiling is probably higher than Jbs.... Loves floor is pretty likely just as high and likely higher....  There are so many things other than low ints that you need from a QB.

    16m through 22m... 

     

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