Surge89
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I bet he comes back down to earth soon. Pretty easy to look amazing when the other team has no pass rush.
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That was the worst series of play calling I think I've ever seen by the bears there. Thank goodness Nagy did not come to Indy.
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Good analysis!
I'll give my take instead of creating a new thread.
Overall I'm super excited about this team now no question. I'll gladly concede that Ballard knew better than I in regards to Hunt. Hunt plays like that all season this defense could be much better than expected.
On defense the linebackers are night and day from last year. We actually have talent there now. It's refreshing to finally say Indy has a linebacker Corp. The safeties we're disappointing but that could be just lack of reps due to injury. Farley was great again and should be starting until Hooker gets up to speed. What's with Ridgeway???? I really thought our run defense would be complete trash instead they are below average and honestly that's good enough if we dominate in the pass game. Turay needs a solid year or 2 in an NFL weight room. He's undersized badly and it shows. The good news is he still makes plays even though he's handicapped by size. Very heartwarming. They are young made some mistakes that sort of cost the game but anyone who isn't even a little happy with how much resources went into them is never going to be pleased.
For offense it's a little bit of a different story. I think the receivers are still going to be an issue despite the Grant and Pascal performance. TY looked off but probably more of an issue that he needs reps with Luck. I still think Fountain should be on this team instead of Johnson (oh well under the bridge now). The runningback situation is promising with Wilkins and Hines. Hines redeemed himself greatly and being used properly as a scat. That's a welcome sight to see coaches putting players in a place to succeed instead of what we've been given the past 3 years. The oline looked like it was missing it's tackles... Because they were lol. And the TEs look absolutely deadly. Luck needs reps that's all I have to say on him.
Can't wait to see the growth of this group of linebackers and runningbacks. That's going to be the biggest takeaway from this season.
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Dude. Hunt has definitely made me eat my words I love it. Wilkins looking like a complete runner and the offense and defense as a whole much better than anticipated.
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2 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:
You guys really gonna tell me that Hines is good? LOL
Dude... You gotta tell the voices in your head to be quiet. No one has brought up Hines except you.
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12 minutes ago, Superman said:
Nah. He won't get the money he wanted -- and I've said that for a while -- but if he hits free agency next year, he'll get a big offer.
If he goes out and gets hurt, he won't get paid. And that's primarily what the entire issue is. The Steelers want him to play out a contract year for the third year in a row, with no security if he gets hurt. If he shows up Week 10 or whatever, he dramatically reduces his risk of injury.
That's what I meant is that he isn't going to get the the pay he wanted. In fact I bet the Steelers offer he left on the table is probably the best he was ever going to get.
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1 hour ago, shastamasta said:
No the market really wasn't increasing. Before Todd Gurley signed his new deal back in July (of this year) for $14M+/year, the highest paid RB was Devonta Freeman at $8.25M/year (which was signed only a year ago). Gurley's deal was a huge step in that direction...but only one step.
Also, while Gurley is two years younger than Bell, he has only had one year of excellent production, while Bell has had several (granted not without off-field issues). But if Gurley is getting $14M for his performance, then Bell should get more. That's how it should work.
Much like last offseason when Carr got his deal...Stafford's new deal was more. Granted the QB position is different because of its value.
On the contrary, having multiple stars at RB is much more advantageous for Bell and RBs overall. The NFL is a copycat league...the more successful teams with star RBs...the more other teams will seek to acquire/employ them. It also allows the market to be reset and continue to increase each year...as star RBs up for contract can use other deals as precedent...which we have seen with other positions.
The market was for sure increasing. You proved it yourself in your own paragraph. Gurley was offered 6 almost 7 million than the next paid. Bell was offered the same amount of 14 per for what was it? 4 years I think? The market is definitely going up for RBs that is not changing with the hold out of Bell. Bell wants top WR or QB money and he's not going to get it.
Also I don't agree with your orginial argument either with Bell having so much better performance that he deserves more. In fact almost all metircs point to the Steelers shouldn't have even offered what they offered. He's older, full of off the field problems, he's not a burner RB so while he is amazing at blocking and receiving he's never gonna be a take it to the house kind of guy. He already has had tremendous amounts of carries and he is very rarely there in the playoffs. Add to the fact that his running style means your oline has to be pretty talented to hold for a patient RB and all together you get a much much less value player than Gurley. It's not even close.
Yeah everyone wants a star RB but the issue is why pay one? There's RB by committee or you can just wait until another team doesn't want to sink a ton of money and just grab him off free agency for a one year deal. It's just the nature of the game that RB are just going to be easier replaced and lower money value than receivers and QBs.
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2 hours ago, shastamasta said:
Yep...and while Bell doesn't have an obligation to his fellow players, I assume the NFLPA is encouraging him because is in a position to affect change by helping other RBs by establish a new market value. And without getting into politics, I am all for someone doing that. We are entering what seems like an era of superstar RBs that we haven't seen in a while (Zeke, Johnson, Bell, Barkley, Gordon, Kamara, Gurley, Fournette, etc.). These guys deserve to be compensated...but the RB position has become so undervalued for so long. So this rift was inevitable...if it wasn't Bell, it would have been someone else.
This isn't true. The market was already increasing at an extreme rate. But the facts are facts RB will always have a shorter shelf life and having multiple stars doesn't help their case meaning they aren't a rare resource. The market is still fair he just wants more.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think he was silly to walk away from the Steelers offer, but I have no problem with him holding out. This is the only way a player can respond to the franchise tag.
While I do agree the franchise tag is not a good thing for the sport right now I don't agree that this is Bells best option. He's hurting his chances for whatever little bit of big money teams are gonna give next year. The argument that he's saving his body is futile as it's just one more year and he's already been used extensively. Right now he's showing he's a locker room issue plus past offenses plus high salary. He's literally squashing whatever chances he has at getting any type of money.
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38 minutes ago, southwest1 said:
I disagree only with 1 response in your post in red. Bell isn't a distraction. Okay, sure. He refused to sign his franchise tag for 2 seasons now until the season is about to start. Yes, I agree. He should be in there with his teammates getting reps. However, he's trying to prolong his career by reducing the punishment on his body. Your body can only withstand so many hits.
True L4P. This is the closest reason for pulling the trigger & taking a gamble & even then I'd be reluctant. Yes, I know. I was originally in favor of seriously considering going after Barkley in the draft given Luck's shoulder & the need to give him a security blanket. I was wrong. I will own that.
I just like your point about being contenders & if INDY was only 1 piece away from doing damage in the playoffs. Some calculated plunges are worth it if a club is on the verge of a Championship. I just like the courage in that statement L4P.
He is most definitely a distraction. If it isn't weed he's rapping. If he isn't rapping or smoking he's holding out. If he's not holding out he's injured. Yet he still wants money and puts himself over the rest of the team. If you don't think that effects a locker room I'm sorry to say but you are gravely mistaken.
Just look at how his oline is responding lately to his tweets they are tired of it. And outright bashing him publicly now.
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Heck no. You want to trade and give big money to a player that doesn't even care about playing football???? Lol foolish is an understatement.
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27 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
It is very different when the livelihoods of close family might be affected
Lol dramatic much? They choose to get in those arguments I've been in a professional setting as well still the same. People make their own choices if you are gonna fret over choices others make you'll be a very stressed individual.
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44 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Since I spent most of my childhood in a locker room and behind the scenes of sports teams. I don’t see those stories as entertaining But cringe worthy
That's interesting I have been in the locker room and I thought it was hilarious then too (on both the player and coach side). Who knows I just like to find the laughter in everything I guess.
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1 minute ago, Superman said:
Number 2 in jersey sales spoke more to the fact that the Colts had basically no marketable personalities on the team (and that's accepting as fact that he was #2 in jersey sales, which I haven't attempted to verify). My point is that whatever he was bringing in was likely a drop in the bucket, and him acting like his jersey sales were a significant part of the operation is a laugh, IMO.
And his personality getting national attention was kind of a two-edged sword. By this time period, he had lived down the arrest, but that was and still is his primary claim to fame.
Again, I'm not knocking Pat because of his personality, his arrest, his being a punter, or anything like that. I'm saying that his own version of this story makes him look bad, the way he told it makes him look bad, and him telling it now, two years later, makes him look bad. I'm certainly not claiming this makes Pat a bad person, or any of the other nonsense that others are peddling. But my reaction to the story was 'wow, Pat, that's kind of petty and arrogant of you.'
And again, this is not a defense of Ryan Grigson, nor does Pat getting into an argument with Grigson bother me.
Ah. I understand. For me I just could care less if it makes him or Grigson look bad I just like the entertainment and insight to the inner workings of the Grigson era. I think he was more than justified to look bad in this instance. You think he wasn't which is fine.
Also as far as the money is concerned none of us are claiming that he was such a big part of the Colts but he was in fact making them money and one of the only bright spots on the roster from a financial standpoint (low cost, high income) so his point still stands. It's bad business to shoulder the blame of your ineptness on to a punter who is succeeding and think he's gonna sit there and take it. Grigson being the boss should have been better than that and we have history that says he wasn't.
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8 minutes ago, Superman said:
He even mentioned jersey sales. He literally meant make money. He also meant win games, but he said that separately.
Either way, that's just an aside. The attitude is the problem, and it's something that he's evidently still having issues with.
I mean. Was it a lie that he was making the colts money? Number 2 in jerseys sales isn't something to scoff at especially punter. Also he was probably the only personality getting national attention which is way more valuable than jersey sales...
If his attitude is a problem then a bunch of the NFL has a bunch of problems. In professional sports this is common and accepted because you don't get to this level of competition without having an ego and being confrontational. Especially with talented players. And I'd say McAfee was truly talented. Grigson isn't somehow divine of criticism. He called McAfee in there and probably wouldn't have been much of an issue if he just said simply hey this isn't tolerated you know the rules and fine him. But no Grigson had to somehow justify shelving the blame onto our punter who is a league leading athlete that the issues of the team lay on Pat's shoulders and not his own. C'mon you know damn well you wouldn't stay quiet either. Especially when you are producing in spite of the rest of the mess Grigson has put on the field.
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25 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Just for the record.
Ballard started his job with a franchise QB, a #1WR in his prime, a LT, and a C, as well as $70m in cap space. I would say he has a "blank canvas with a QB" more than he was burdened.
We are past the point where Grigson is the cause of anything.
Maybe be don't have a lot of young core players beyond those mentioned, but the cap space and draft picks (not required to be used on a QB) was/is there for Ballard to find his own. Ultimately, that's better, not a burden.
I actually agree with you here. Many dismiss but Ballard has a decent roster to mold here. It may not be an ideal roster for a QB who is in the middle of his prime (which is everyone's issue with Grigson and mine as well) but I'd say the roster is in a little bit of a better place than what Grigson inherited. The issue is it wasn't good enough. But with that aside I don't see how that has much to do with what we are talking about.
You seem hung up on this notion that Pat McAfee is so persuading that the masses are going to give 10 years more to Ballard, which is definitely not the case. People will be judging Ballard off of his own actions and rightfully so no matter what article Pat decides to say on Grigson. If you think that everyone's not going to give Ballard a little bit longer of a leash because of the Trainwreck they just left behind then I think that is naive. Most are going to give Ballard as much time as possible to right the ship just by the nature of circumstance.
Me for instance I question alot of things Ballard has been doing lately but I also remember that he is learning on the job as well. As long as he continuously gets better in practicing what he preaches then I'm fine with giving him a longer leash as well. One of my biggest issues with Grigson was that he gave very little as far as a direction for the franchise and so thus we had to grade his decisions in a vacuum and the rest is history... With Ballard I'm a bit more lenient because I can understand a miss or 2 as long we eventually hit the main goal he keeps reiterating.
Things become different though if he too never improves and thus the wheel keeps on turning.
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3 minutes ago, DougDew said:
That's fine. It might not be the purpose of why it was ran by the star, but it IS the reason the subject continues to get clicks.
I mean people are gonna take whatever they can to justify what they want regardless of what articles are out there.
Is it gonna be ammo to give Ballard a longer time? Yes probably. But it won't change whatever results Ballard gets from his actions excused or not.
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Just now, DougDew said:
But the punter was essentially telling the GM he sucks at evaluating other talent, because he accused him of causing the QB to get hurt. It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, how does the punter feel like its his right to tell the GM that he sucks at his job?
Entitled is a word that explains somethings. But crazy or drunk would explain this.
Again your comparison is to that of a normal person in the workplace. McAfee was making them a ton of money and had a lot of appeal due to the ineptness of the GM to put anything else on the field. So of course the one guy who is succeeding in a time of a ton of fail (despite who's fault it is) will be egotistical and entitled. Especially if he's been putting up with it for a while. These guys are full of ego!!!!
Either way they are professionals. McAfee can have whatever opinion of grigson that he wants and it's not his fault that grigson is just proving that opinion by putting together a roster who couldn't steal the limelight from a punter...
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5 minutes ago, DougDew said:
So what? What is the point of rehashing the story by Pat now, or the IndyStar, if it isn't to validate some opinion (or some previously written negative article). The same opinion, over and over and over. Why the need to keep it going?
Do we need it as a backdrop to support the current narrative? That, oops, golden boy Ballard might take longer than we hoped, so we need to spread the idea that his roster is the victim of the really bad predecessor? (yes, that's why) (and it isn't).
I'm not a worship Ballard poster but cmon. We all know why this article came out and it had nothing to do with Ballard. It's a combination of Pat getting some limelight and some easy clicks for IndyStar due to the name and the nature of the article.
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7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I find this thread fascinating.
I shortened it because it was a mouthful lol.
I completely agree. It's apparent that alot of people here haven't been exposed to the work environment that these guys are in. Are they egotistical? YES of course. When you are the best at what you do and continue to prove it all the way up to the professional level you do have an ego. A strong one at that it's necessary in order to survive in the professional sports world.
As far as the topic is concerned I highly doubt everything Pat said is true. This is probably more of what he wish he'd said but we also have to remember we are at the end of his story. Not the beginning. This wasn't the first time they had butted heads and people with egos who butt heads eventually blow up. It is what it is.
Y'all can claim entitlement or what not but let's not act like McAfee was any old punter. He was the best in the league and pretty much the entirety of his body of work proves that. He most definitely was a key part to the org and I'm sorry but when you have an org with so little talent like we did (because grigson wasn't that great at his job) then you have to value the little talent you have. If this was a QB I bet half of the complaints would be washed away because of his "importance" to the club.
Either way it's entertaining regardless if he's trying to save the little limelight he has left or if it's just spite to a terrible boss. Heck I'd probably do the same. No reason to get a personal opionion on him. Just read it laugh and move on.
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15 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Frankly, if we're keeping Hunt because of his run stopping ability, I'd just as soon have kept Henry Anderson last year. He was slimmed down to about Hunt's size when he was released.
This is how I feel. Hunt seems not really great at anything and Anderson had a lot of promise in a different alignment. I just don't understand why we didn't even give him a chance.
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As I said after the draft he was 1st round talent with 1st round tape. Those who said he was a reach I'd say imo of course that they'd be wrong. Best pick of the 2nd round now he just needs to finish the job. In 2 years he should be a probowler or fringe probowler.
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2 hours ago, jskinnz said:
I am so confused.
Could have worded it better but I mean in what he says I love his vision. But in his actions it seems there is no foresight. Shouldn't post when I'm near sleep.
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1 hour ago, IinD said:
If they don't go huge in FA next year and jump into the top 10 in terms of overall good teams, then I'll start to wonder if Ballard is the right guy.
They must have a plan with the psychotic amount of cap they'll have next year.
If his vision was to create solid young depth across the board and then go big in FA while being a little frugal his first two years, then I might start thinking genius.
This is exactly how I'm approaching it. I'm not ready to label him anything.
I love his vision and his plan and the things he says but the execution has been lackluster and seemingly with a lack of foresight. I'm hoping that it is I that lacks the foresight and he creates a contender by next year but we will see.
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The NFL has to get rid of ties
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It most definitely does resemble what the game was. I take it you're never played soccer past rec then. The point of shootouts is not about making it more exciting it's about the final test of skill to determine who has anything left in order to determine a winner. You try kicking a ball accurately and with pace after 120 minutes of straight running and contact. NFL players can barely do it for 15-20.