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Notice I didn't say an "eye" for talent. I said can he "identify" talent. This is a much broader and inclusive trait that is absolutely essential as GM. He isn't looking at trading cards to see who he wants to sign. He is evaluating team needs in concert with his coaching & scouting staffs. Ultimately he decides on who to sign. That is how I broadly define "identify". Hope that helps to clarify the original question I was raisi.ng
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Interesting F/A signings so far. No marquis names. Favor the Allen trade. So this will answer two questions: whether Ballard can identify the talent that will get us deep into the play-offs and whether Pagano and coaching staff can get from them the potential that Ballard sees in them.
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Good for both teams now that Grigson isn't involved in the draft. Taking bets, Bellichik will get more out of a healthy DA than Pagano ever could. No surprise if he makes the All-Star team.
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Well said and thorough. Here is the defining criteria. Are we getting better or worse as team? Is the trajectory positive or not? Throw out last year without Luck and assess the progress of player development and coaching competency.
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13 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I'm offering up this post in the hope that it will bring more peace and harmony here to the website. That it will move the two sides -- the Chuck Haters and the Chuck Defenders --- closer together and there will be less vitriol on the website.
I offered some of this in a post in another thread, but I think it's worthy of it's own thread, so please, bear with me.....
I often try and break things down in the 32 team NFL like this..... Top-10, Bottom-10, and the Middle-12. Makes things a little easier for me, perhaps it will for you.
So, it goes like this.....
I don't think anyone here thinks Pagano is a top-10 coach. If there is such a poster, I have not read their post. But I think there's a large, or at least, a LOUD group who thinks Pagano belongs in the bottom-10, some even have called him the worst. I think there's another group who thinks of Chuck as somewhere in the middle. On his best day, maybe he's 11th, and on his worst day, he's maybe 22nd. More typically, he's somewhere in the middle.
Honestly, I don't think there's an argument that Chuck Pagano belongs in the bottom-10. He's never had a losing season and he's had three seasons where his team has won 11 games. He's won 3 playoff games. His worst seasons are 8-8. And all this with a roster that's never been better than average, and more recently, below average.
If you want to make your STRONGEST ARGUMENT that Pagano should be fired, it goes like this..... Pagano is average and the Colts need a better than average HC to get the most out of the Andrew Luck years. I used the exact same argument when I called for Pep Hamilton to be fired. His numbers said he was average but that we needed better.
The numbers didn't say Pep was bad and they don't say that Chuck is bad. Arguments that say he is are both silly and divisive.
But IF you claim he's average, NOW you've got a more reasonable argument. What's the pushback to that? Who's going to claim he's a top-10 HC? No one, as far as I can tell. You've practically won the argument before it even starts! Just screaming 'he sucks' gets you no where. Making a reasonable argument makes progress. Gets posters to agree with you. Here's your chance to shape the argument.
Start making that argument and not only will you get more support from more posters, but you'll get less push back, less disagreement from the Chuck-supporters. And, hopefully a better website for all of us to enjoy! Win-Win!!
I hope everyone will take this post to heart. It's going to be an interesting off-season. It might be more enjoyable for all of us if we can find more common ground.
I hope this post will be viewed as a road map to more common ground.
Go Colts!
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So we now know that the problem is not Pagano or Grigson. It's Irsay.
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Let's also be very clear, just like EVERY team in the league, rosters change EVERY year. The genius of Bill Bellichik is that he knows what he needs, he knows and vets the available players that fit those needs and he has the absolute trust and faith of Kraft. The same can be said of his coaching staff. The perfect storm!!!
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On 12/25/2016 at 0:40 AM, CR91 said:
Estimated cap is 60m
Release
Robinson saves 2.5m
Langford saves 4.25m
Gore saves 3.5m
Jackson saves 5.5m
Jones saves 5.2m
Cap is 81m
What good is that amount of cap space in the hands of Grigson/Irsay?
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Bottom line, there is no improvement or consistency week to week. Is that a talent problem, coaching problem,GM problem, owner problem or all of the above? All this angst and second guessing about individual calls and plays is skirting the answer to that question.
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Another Pagano presser. Same old lines whether we win or lose. "We have to fix somethings" "We had a great week of practice, but didn't execute" "We made too many mistakes on both sides of the ball" "We need to look at the tapes" Memo to Pagano, it helps to actually roll the tapes.
The one question I wish someone would have asked Pagano is: "If this were your team, given the talent and staff you and Grigson assembled, would you fire the HC?"
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After listening to another Pagano presser, which sounds like every other win or lose, we're always fixing things. Excellent preparation, poor execution. Go back and Look at the tape. Memo to Pagano, you need to actually roll the tape! The one question I wish someone would have asked Pagano is: "If this were your team, given the talent and staff you and Grigson assembled, would you fire the HC?"
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Wonderful rationalization. They are contributors on the Colts team that is not very good but are subs on any quality team
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2 hours ago, zibby43 said:
Anderson is coming off a major injury and was a stud prior to the injury.
Geathers is arguably the best tackler on the team.
Haeg is starting at RT as a rookie. That is amazing.
Ridgeway has had plenty of disruptive plays (despite being thrown into the fire as a rookie) with the snaps he's been given.
Green has not played Safety for very long in his football career. For someone that is just learning the position, he is performing very well in the running game and his measurables/speed are off the chart. The coverage skills will come.
You left out Ryan Kelly.
Clark is a bit of a project. No way I'm giving up on a rookie.
Overall, the last two draft classes have been very solid. You rarely, if ever, get surefire starters out of the 6th/7th rounds, so I'm not going to get hung up on discussing some of those guys.
Only guys I agree on really are Parry and Dorsett, but even for them, it's still early, and they've been solid contributors thus far.
Wonderful rationalization. They are contributors for the Colts but would be subs for any quality team.
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Improvement, relative to what???? It's simply one of two things. We either do not have enough talent to get back to the SB (which is the only real goal of ANY team) or the talent we have is not being developed so that weaknesses are not consistently exposed. The Holy Grail is New England where year after year, despite injuries, free agency losses, suspensions, they are competitive and in the hunt. Bellichik in one sentence says more than Pagano says in entire presser.
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The pat response is always we've got "to work on fixing things". Would it be too much to ask what exactly it is going to take to keep Luck upright? Is it talent, coaching or formation adjustments? If Philbin was doing such a great job in Miami, why is he not still there?
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I read where Irsay said that " Luck must change the way he plays". There you have it, A clueless owner with a GM who brings in losers like T-Rich, Werner, Andre Johnson, Gore, keeps Allen and lets Fleener go, and a coach who calls fake punt plays and passes to offensive linemen at the goal line.
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Given what we have seen in the past two years, anyone think his career will be shorter, maybe by 3-4 years?
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What is your reaction to Pagano saying at his presser " We go down settle for a field goal, fine". SETTLE????? FINE????
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Don't you all know by now? Just listen to his pressers. He cleans things up, he fixes things, he cures hiccups. So he is either a janitor, a mechanic or a doctor. He is not a head coach, not in the NFL in any event.
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This is not pressing the panic button. This is pressing the concerned button. Listen to any Pagano presser, last year, the year before and here are the old reliable phrases common to each:
1. We have some things to clean up
2. We need to fix some things
3. We had a few hiccups
4. We did some good things out there
My concern is not a question of talent, for which everyone seems to have an opinion. It is whether we have a guy who can either identify when we don't have what we need or develop what we have. Ridley may be a great add, but like Dorsett, is he coming close to "Fixing" what we have seen thus far in pre-season?
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On 8/27/2016 at 8:24 PM, YourNextGM said:
It's going to be a long yr brothers and sisters.
You got that right. Same problems with some new names.
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4 hours ago, chad72 said:
When they drafted Holmes, he came with an injury history. Sometimes, it is wishful thinking hoping an injured guy makes a turnaround and starts contributing. It is hard enough getting a healthy guy up to pace, even more so with a guy with a history of injury.
Remember when Grigson drafted him in the 4th round out of USC and called Holmes the "center of the future".
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I'm no Grigson fan, but I have to say he picked all the right positions, did he get all the right players?
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Right on, spot on Dustin. What about Irsay's decision to re-up him?
Does Ballard Have the Eye for Talent?
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So wrong about Grigson's cap issue. Go back and check the records. He had the third highest cap available in the NFL when he took over. And then the fun began, Bjorn Woerner, TRich, Andre Johnson, Philly cast-offs and several over the hill defensive players all of whom are now gone.