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Russell Wilson is good. However, he's not very good. He wouldn't be able to break .500 with the Colts supporting cast. The guy barely passes 3000 yards and is just on a stacked team.
Wilson passed for 3357 yards in 2013 which was only 465 yards less than Luck's 3822 even though he threw 163 fewer passes. Luck's additional yardage was based on a much higher volume of passes, not efficiency. In fact for Wilson to have matched Luck's completion pct and yardage total with the same number of passes he would have needed to complete only 53% of the additional 163 passes for an average of 2.85 yards per attempt....numbers that would make Blaine Gabbert blush with shame. Wilson has proven to be a far more efficient passer on a per pass basis than Luck his first two seasons in the NFL and it hasn't been close. He has also been much less mistaken prone than Luck in the playoffs as well.
And the Seahawks were stacked on defense last year, but not on offense. The offensive line was injury riddled and atrocious most of the season. Wilson was without Harvin and Rice for most of the year and his WR corps consisted primarily of three undrafted free agents and Golden Tate and none have ever been selected to a Pro Bowl. The only player on the offense considered elite is Marshawn Lynch and his numbers were down significantly from 2012 in large part due to the problems with the OL.
And claiming that Wilson couldn't have broken .500 with the Colts supporting cast is rank speculation and totally unprovable but is pretty much par for the course in arguments about Luck's alleged superiority since the stats so far certainly don't support that.
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It takes little brain power to figure if a ball bounces off the receivers hands or runs the wrong route that it's not the QB's fault. Other times it's just situational. If a team is trying to comeback from a significant deficit then the QB is going to take more chances to get his team back into it., etc.. Not saying Luck hasn't thrown some bad ones, he obviously threw two stinkers vs NE, but there is more to it than just repeating "7 ints"over and over again.
And the sun was in his eyes, the wind was in his face, and his astrological sign was in a turbulent cycle.
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Judging based on the first 2 seasons in the NFL alone, I'd give Luck the third best QB of all time spot behind Marino and Warner.
Russell Wilson says hi.
Career passing
Wilson: 63.6% cmp pct.; 52 TD; 19 INT; 8.1 Y/A; 7.05 ANY/A; 100.6 rating
Luck: 57.0% cmp pct; 46 TD; 27 INT; 6.8 Y/A; 5.85 ANY/A; 81.5 rating
Career rushing
Wilson: 1029 yds; 5.4 avg; 5 TDs
Luck: 632 yds; 5.1 avg; 9 TDs
Playoff passing:
Wilson: 63.1% cmp pct; 6 TD; 1 INT; 8.43 Y/A; 102.0 rating; 1 Super Bowl ring
Luck: 55.0% cmp pct; 6 TD; 8 INT; 7.59 Y/A; 70.0 rating; 0 Super Bowl rings
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I remember as a kid seeing George Blanda play toward the end of his career. He was a tough old cobb who came off the bench a few times to help the Raiders win games at QB but mostly was just a kicker by then. That was back in the days when kickers kicked the ball straight on rather than soccer style and the goalposts were on the goalline.
Now you damn kids get off of my lawn!
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I always love it when someone claims to speak for a large, diverse group like the entire NFL fanbase because then you know for a certainty they are full of crap.Apparently the entire NFL fanbase is delusional about Spygate. Yea thats it, everybody else is wrong.
Instead of ROFL, stand up and look in the mirror. I think you might see what delusional really looks like....
I'm not a Pats' fan by any stretch of the imagination but I think the whole Spygate thing has been way overblown. The Patriots were two miracle plays by the Giants away from having two more rings so it's not as if they fell off a cliff after that.
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Andy Dalton: 0-3, 70-123, 56.91%, 718 yds, 1 TD, 6 Ints, 5.84 Y/A, 56.2 rating.1:2 TD:INT ratio vs 1:6 dude. 1:2 isn't awful over 3 games. 1:6? Absolutely terrible.
Andrew Luck: 1-2, 77-140, 55.00%, 1062 yds, 6 TD, 8 Ints, 7.59 Y/A, 70.8 rating.
Luck has been better so far even though he's thrown two more picks, but not by a large margin. Neither one of them have covered themselves in glory so far as playoff quarterbacks outside of Luck's second half vs the Chiefs.
If three games is too small a sample size to make sweeping judgements about Luck, shouldn't the same be said for Dalton?
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It all depends on how Dalton's contract was structured. If the Bengals have an opt out clause each year the same as the 49ers have with Kaepernick then it's not a bad deal.
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Yeah, I think with the NFL because the contracts are not guaranteed players fight hard for the guaranteed money. And I don't blame them and I don't blame Lynch either for wanting more money now at age 28. I am kind of surprised he got it but then again Seattle does need him like you said. I think the new CBA has really come back to haunt the players in a lot of ways.
What they did was guarantee his incentive bonuses for this year ($1 million) and move $500,000 from next year to this year. The total dollars in his contract remains the same. I think it's a fair deal for both sides.
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Congratulations...........
That might be the front-runner for worst sentence written here since the Colts drafted Andrew Luck.
Seriously.
That's about as wrong headed as wrong can be on every level imaginable.
Here's all that you need to know.......
Luck has played 35 games since coming into the NFL (regular season and playoffs) and won 23 of them. And he's done so with a team that people in the NFL view as average at best. To say nothing of 10 come from behind wins, most in NFL history in his first two years. This is as close as we'll see to a one man band in the NFL.
Anyone here who is disappointed in what they've gotten from Andrew Luck so far, simply doesn't know football.
So, if you're disappointed because this once in a generation quarterback hasn't -- in your opinion -- lived up to the hype, then guess what..... I guess football is not for you.
Sorry to be harsh, but that's the reality of things.....
There are a lot of factors besides Luck for the Colts 11-5 record in 2013. Here are a few:Congratulations...........
That might be the front-runner for worst sentence written here since the Colts drafted Andrew Luck.
Seriously.
That's about as wrong headed as wrong can be on every level imaginable.
Here's all that you need to know.......
Luck has played 35 games since coming into the NFL (regular season and playoffs) and won 23 of them. And he's done so with a team that people in the NFL view as average at best. To say nothing of 10 come from behind wins, most in NFL history in his first two years. This is as close as we'll see to a one man band in the NFL.
Anyone here who is disappointed in what they've gotten from Andrew Luck so far, simply doesn't know football.
So, if you're disappointed because this once in a generation quarterback hasn't -- in your opinion -- lived up to the hype, then guess what..... I guess football is not for you.
Sorry to be harsh, but that's the reality of things.....
1. Playing in one of the weakest divisions in the league
2. A +14 turnover differential driven by a league low 4 fumbles lost
3. They were the least penalized team in the league
4. A top ten defense in points allowed
I'm sure there's more but those are examples of factors that played a role in the Colts 2013 record. Crediting a team's W-L record entirely to the quarterback is incredibly shallow. The fact is that the Colts offense was not particularly efficient in any category, including passing, and it showed on the scoreboard where the Colts finished 14th in points scored.
And I'm not sure where you came up with that record for most comeback wins. According to Pro Football Reference, Andrew Luck has eight 4th quarter comebacks, the same as Russell Wilson over that period.
Luck has been very good at times but he's also inconsistent which is why the Colts beat some good teams last year while being blown out in other games. And seven picks in two playoff games simply isn't acceptable for any NFL quarterback much less one who is supposed to be elite. Luck isn't there yet.
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Research in psychology has shown that it’s incredibly difficult to alter people’s first impressions, so it might have taken a Ryan Leaf-esque flop for scouts to change their opinions about Luck’s potential superstardom.
No one is arguing about the fact that many people around the NFL have a high opinion of Luck and his potential. They do. But pointing to anonymous opinions by NFL executives to make your case is part of the pont...Luck's high rating is based largely on highly subjective opinions, his reputation coming out of college as a once-in-a-generation talent, and unprovable speculation about how he might have performed on a more talented team. For those who would like to see real world data to support those subjective opinions, though, neither traditional stats nor advanced metrics suggest Luck has had the type of efficiency or production you would expect from a top tier quarterback and the Colts offense has been relatively mediocre so far with him at the helm.I continue not to understand this on-going rant/drama....
ESPN spoke with 26 high level NFL execs.
We're talking General Managers, Directors of Player Personnel... Scouts, Head Coaches, Coordinators and the list they came up with showed Andrew Luck of the Indianapolis Colts as the 5th most desired quarterback.
If teams had their preference, only the Big Four were ahead of Luck. Now, Luck did have a lower grade than the Big Four.... but he had a higher grade than every other quarterback in the NFL.
Any of us can sit here and change the equation to anything they want so that the answer for the 5th best NFL QB isn't Andrew Luck. But the people who do this for a living... the people who get hired and fired based on their views... people at the highest levels of the NFL.... all of those people voted Andrew Luck #5.
Everything else here is nonsense....
This wasn't the opinion of Ron Jaworski (who also came up with Luck as #5).... or the opinion of a writer for ESPN.com who had Luck at #6. Or the opinion of anyone else....
This was the opinion of people employed by the NFL at the highest levels. And Luck was #5.
Why a number of people here are having such a hard time with this is beyond me............
Luck is a good quarterback who may well eventually become a great one. Perhaps 2014 will be his breakout year.
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His rating is also based on what HOF QB he followed i.e. Peyton Manning & that the fact that INDY's wheels did not fall off & post season appearances continued like clockwork with no drop off from a cliff depicting doom & gloom.
Andrew had enormous shoes to feel & he slid on those NFL cleats like a tailor made glove.
Curtis Painter's?
I will say that Luck had a better rookie season than Manning (which frankly wasn't that good) and roughly comparable second seasons. Luck, however, is nowhere near the quarterback that Manning was his last healthy season with the Colts so I'm not sure you can say its been a seamless transition and it remains to be seen whether he can continue to develop in the same way that Manning did.
Luck's production simply hasn't been anywhere near elite levels yet which is why the reasons for placing him at #5 tend to be vague and highly subjective. By most measures, using both traditional and advanced metrics, he is somewhere near the middle of the pack. And its not as if the Colts record over the past two years has been the product of a high powered offense scoring a lot of points (18th in 2012 and 14th in 2013).
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In surprised that this hasn't been posted. Good article on the issue, just out today:
That article is right on the money. Statistically Luck's performance simply hasn't matched the hype to this point. Luck's #5 rating is based on highly subjective and largely unquantifiable opinions about his supporting cast and perceived potential, and influenced by preconceived biases that had him rated as a generational talent coming out of college. That's not to say his production won't eventually catch up to the hype but it hasn't so far.
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Very possible....and it's things like this that make repeating easier said than done. And who knows....they may settle it all in the next few days or weeks.
But that "next man up" mantra is often a pipe dream when it involves an impact guy like Lynch....and despite Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson's cheerleading of Lynch's back-ups.....I for one don't see the Seahawks repeating without Lynch leading their rushing attack.
There are probably less than 5 RBs in the NFL who deserve the mid-contract "sweetener" Lynch is asking for...but IMO, he indeed is one of them.
Lynch ran for 1257 yards and 4.2 YPC last season which was down significantly from 1590 and 5.0 the previous year. Some of that was due to all of the injuries to the offensive line, but lets not act like Lynch was putting up historic numbers last year that will be impossible to replace.
Lynch has no leverage so he's either going to walk away from millions of dollars or play. He'll be there on opening day.
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His career ar Baylor is over. He helped resurrect Baylor's football program and that's what he's being honored for.Seems weird to put up a statue now. Don't you usually do that after a career?
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Right on...since the team is falling apart around Flacco, he doesn't look like an elite QB. Wilson has good troops around him.
Let me see if I understand this "logic." Russell Wilson's team was good enough to win the Super Bowl with him as quarterback therefore that diminishes him as a quarterback?
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Huh? What about his arrest in 2012 and being charged with a fake license, getting kicked out of Manning's passing academy and being suspended by the NCAA for the autograph scandal? That is a pretty good rap sheet right there. This notion that the guy is "just having fun" and being a "typical 21 year old" is simply not true. I don't blame the owner for wanting him to present himself better given his history. For him or any of his fans not to expect the leash to be tight is just plain ignorant.
A misdemeanor for a fake ID, being asked to leave Manning's passing academy, and an NCAA "scandal" that results in a half game suspension is considered "a pretty good rap sheet?" Yeah, Manziel's a real gangsta alright. A regular Al Capone.
Is Manziel doing the work necessary to prepare for his rookie season? Who knows. He could be spending all day learning the playbook and watching game film and still have time for some fun at night. He hasn't even taken a snap in a pre-season game yet so its WAY too soon for anyone to start making judgments about how he's going to pan out in the league.
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And it's was Wilson's stellar 9-14 94 0 that made it happen? Ok. They produced 13 points by kicking a 51 and 58 yard FG and scoring a TD after starting the drive at Denver's 37. I'm sorry, but I could have played QB for Seahawks in the 2nd half and it wouldn't have mattered.
And for the record I watched the SB....the game where Tavaris Jackson played 1min and 45 seconds. Those lil pesky facts....
Now you're just making stuff up. Both of the first two drives got inside the Broncos ten yard line and the field goals were from 31 and 33 yards, not 51 and 58. And that 9-14 94 yards that you keep harping on DID all happen in that first 18 minute stretch when the Seahawks controlled the ball and kept Manning on the sidelines. After the Seahawks scored with 12 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter their offense never got back on the field until the 10:38 mark of the 3rd quarter except for two running plays at the end of the half to run out the clock. You see Manning started putting together long time-consuming drives that ended with a pick six and a failure to convert on fourth down. And then there was the Harvin return after the half. It's hard to get back on the field when you keep kicking off to the other team and even Wilson isn't good enough to rack up big numbers standing on the sidelines.
The Seahawks took their foot off the gas after making the score 43-8 with 11:45 remaining in the game. Wilson spent his final series feeding backup RB Robert Turbin the ball to burn the clock and left the field with 5.19 left and never returned. So essentially he threw one pass for an incompletion in the final 12 minutes of the game and that's your idea of padding his numbers? Hilarious.
Excluding the two plays before the half to run out the clock and Wilson's final series where the Seahawks were burning the clock and making no effort to score, Wilson was on the field for six series. The Seahawks scored on five of them...three TDs, and two FGs. The one time they had to punt was because a 22-yard run by Wilson was negated by a holding penalty. He completed 72% of his passes for 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 123.1 QB rating, averaged a stellar 8.24 yards per attempt, ran for another 26 yards, and never let defenders get so much as a fingernail on any of his passes. It was a ruthlessly efficient performance.
It amazes me the logical pretzels that Wilson's detractors twist in trying to claim that everyone on the Seahawks was responsible for the Super Bowl win except its starting quarterback.
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Consistently moved the chains? Yeah, after they had a 29 point lead....Big deal. You tell me I couldn't be more wrong and just give me filler on now great he was while ignoring the fact he did almost all of that damage after the game was decided. Guess what? It's not difficult to throw the ball when you're up 30 pts and everyone knows the game is over. After the Percy Having return at the start of the 3rd I expected seattle to run the ball 30 times....it's almost like Carrol wanted Wilson to pad his stats and win MVP. Luckily the voters didn't fall for it.
Um...what? Which game did you watch? The Seahawks controlled the ball for 14:41 of the first 18:00 minutes of the game and produced 13 points on three scoring drives. During that time they converted 5 of 7 third down attempts. You don't think that keeping Manning and the Greatest Offense in the History of the World on the sidelines for most of the first quarter-and-a-half played a big role in the outcome of the game?
Wilson also produced his numbers in a little over 3 quarters. The Seahawks took their foot off the gas after making it 43-8 early in the 4th and Wilson spent much of the fourth quarter on the sidelines wearing a baseball hat where its a little difficult to pad your stats for MVP voters.
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I agree. Wilson's performance in the playoffs can be described as him making the throws he needed to make. Against the Saints, he had a career low 103 yards, but that throw to Baldwin with 2 minutes to go was crucial. In the NFC Title game, he didn't impress until that TD pass to Kearse in the fourth quarter. I would say his performance in the Super Bowl was definitely the best of the three. Yes, the defense handed him a 29-0 lead, but again, he made some pretty impressive throws, especially in the second half. And he also didn't make many mistakes.
People keep bringing up the 103 yards passing in the Saints game without any context. I was at that game...they played in a monsoon. 30-40 mph winds with the rain coming down in sheets. It was the worst conditions ever for a Seahawks home game and that includes several snow games. I've never seen Drew Brees throw as many dying quails that missed his receivers by yards as I did in that game.
Because of the conditions, Pete Carroll decided to play a conservative game plan. After going up 16 - 0 at halftime that turned into an ultraconservative game plan in the second half and Wilson barely passed the ball until he needed a big play on third down in the 4th quarter which he nailed and led to the game-clinching TD. That's why Wilson passed for 103 yards in that game. He had shredded that same Saints defense for 310 yards and three TDs on MNF just a few weeks earlier.
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That's far too long for me to respond to every point. But the fact that you act like Wilson played tremendous in the SB is hilarious. Why do you think he didn't win MVP from a media that is obsessed with quarterback play? It was because he did very little until the game was already decided. Wilson was 9-14 94 0 and the score was 29-0.
You couldn't be more wrong. Wilson consistently moved the chains throughout the game, converting third down after third down with his passing and running, and keeping Manning and the Broncos offense stewing on the sidelines in frustration for large chunks of the game. The Seahawks punted only once, midway through the third quarter after the game was already out of hand. Wilson's passing was pinpoint accurate and, unlike Manning, he never put the ball in a spot where a defender could make a play on it. It was an uber-efficient performance on the sport's biggest stage.
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Carolina was 17th in sacks allowed, pretty meh, but produced the 11th best running attack last year. A big part of that is Cam Newton, with the DeAngelo / Stewart duo being less effective than years past, but still more reliable than the Colts' backfield.
The Seahawks though, I don't think any team that combined for over 2,000 rushing yards is a bad oline. They were obviously hurting without a few of their starters for much of the season and did suffer, but they still did enough for Marshawn to do the rest. Although I do recall their pass protection being down right lousy at times, even with Russell Wilson's great mobility. Stats say 23rd most allowed sacks.
The Seahawks and Colts both averaged 4.3 yards per rushing attempt. The Seahawks had 2000 yards rushing because Carroll is more committed to the running game than Pagano is and will continue to pound the ball even when its not particularly effective in order to wear the opposing defense down. Lynch had a very good season because he's a beast who can grind out yards even when nothing is there, not because he had great blocking. His numbers were still down significantly from 2012, though.
The Seahawks offensive line was easily the weakest unit on the team and they were able to overcome it only because they had Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield who have unique abilities to make plays out of nothing.
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Carolina, & several other teams, would disagree with that homer statement.
Would several teams take Luck? Sure.
There are plenty out there who would take Newton, too.
I don't think there's any doubt that Pete Carroll would take Russell Wilson if given a chance to redraft. He believes that Wilson is absolutely the perfect QB for his system and Wilson's ability to take care of the ball and make plays during critical situations is grossly underrated by too many fans. No matter how you want to spin it, Luck's 7 INTs in two playoff games is simply unacceptable for any NFL quarterback especially one who has aspirations of becoming elite. Wilson has thrown just one pick in five playoff games and that was on a last second Hail Mary against Atlanta.
For Luck to pass up Wilson he has to step up his game during the playoffs which is where elite QBs are made.
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Wilson's offensive line was terrible last year. It was missing two and sometimes three starters for much of the season and they were starting a rookie 7th round pick at RT and a journeyman guard at LT. Wilson's pass protection was dreadful and Lynch's productivity was also down quite a bit from 2012 in large part because of the problems with the OL. Wilson was also missing two of his top receivers (Harvin and Rice) and consistently faced tougher defenses than either of the other two.wilson and cam have a strong running game, good oline, and an elite defense. three things luck doesnt have
All three QBs faced adversity of some sort during the season and all overcame it. Wilson had the better year statistically and earned a ring so there really shouldn't be much argument about him bring ranked higher this year. Like I said, next year might be different.
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Cam and Wilson higher then luck. What a joke.
Wilson, Luck, and Newton all had relatively similar seasons statistically but Wilson was the most efficient passer of the three with a higher completion pct., higher TD pct., higher yards per attempt, and higher overall QB rating. When you factor in playoff performances it would be hard to justify Wilson NOT being ranked higher than Luck and Newton this year. Next year might be different.
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The Seahawks didn't even suit up half their starters against Denver and those that did play were only in for two series so it's hard to read much into that game.
Their first team offense scored on ten straight possessions vs the Chargers and Bears and just missed on the 11th when a 53 yard FG clanked off the left goalpost. Percy Harvin's presence on the field makes them much more dynamic and Russell Wilson looks confident and completely in control. The defense shut out both the Chargers and Bears when both teams had their starters on the field and the starting secondary has had very few penalties called so far.
It's still just preseason so you have to take it all with a grain of salt but so far the Seahawks look like they could potentially be better than last year, especially on offense.