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@Jason- Take a look at this link from Bleacher report, it talks about the top prospects and the system/ position they fit best. It has Ta'amu as a one tech NT in a 4-3 just like I thought! So we both agree he isn't a 3-4 0 tech NT, but he could be a 4-3 1 tech NT! They all have Thompson as a 4-3 UT.
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Colts better be getting Laron Landry from Washington then, and their draft picks!
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@PaColts56- Yeah I am right there with you bro! If the Colts go Luck, and Manning leaves which I would fully expect, if he goes to a team like Baltimore, who is my hometown team I see every week, they really lack that execution at quarterback, with Manning they would win until he retires. With that 2000 Ravens defense, they would have won a minimum of 5 but I think more like 10 Super Bowls in his 13 year career thus far!
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@Jason- Most of your interpretations and opinions I tend to agree with, how you feel Ta’amu won’t play NT to me is interesting. It doesn’t matter that he lines up as the zero technique nose tackle in Washington’s 3-4 front, I agree prospects can be better suited for other positions. But I watched him against USC on anything run between the guards and the center blow the play up and make tackle after tackle after tackle. He is a complete space eater, and I think that he would probably be better suited as a 4-3 NT, he remind me of Pecko from Cincy.
Short has great value later in the draft, I have him as my fifth ranked prospect you have him as your third, which shows there isn’t much talent at NT in this years draft, which means the Colts have to seek free agency, or draft one of these players maybe earlier then they should.
Thompson just lacks the size of a NT, but his play is completely representative of how a nose tackle should play, I ranked him third, because I feel Poe, and Ta’amu will slip to second/ third round where the Colts can get them, and even with a trade down anywhere in the top ten, that would be reaching for Thompson.
Howard, Reyes, Randall, and Still are all Under Tackles in my opinion as well, with Randall being my favorite from that group as a late round selection to back up Nevis, which is a far better option than Moala. So we agree with a lot of our talent evaluations, but I think Ta’amu fits more of a 4-3 NT than you think, what’s the earliest you would draft Thompson?
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+1 Now we are on to something here!
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@Jason- I agree with Manti Te’o being able to transition to any LB spot, I am not a big fan of the Boston College kid, he just makes tackles, he doesn’t put the wood in anybody, just a safe linebacker, we really need to crank up the tanastiy and attitude on defense, especially from our linebackers, if we go linebacker early I really want Te’o or Burfict, both could transition anywhere, but I think Burfict because of his speed, would have an easier transition to OLB. Whats the scouting report on the other guys? Robinson of Texas is a good athlete!
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@Ramblin- Yeah, I read the articles on the players as well, at the beginning of the college season, and over the past few weeks have been able to do some analyzing of my own. (not that I am an expert) The knock I have on Thompson is how undersized he is to play nose tackle, he to me represents Nevis, but with more run stuffing ability, same penetration ability, and he doesn’t have that size. If we trade down like I want, I think Thompson is a reach that early in the draft. Poe would represent a great second round pick, because he represents a penetrator and run stuffer all in one. You have to see this kid, at 6’5” 350 Lbs. he is hard to miss, but the way he moves you would think he was a huge defensive end. That’s why I said Nagta meets Rodgers, Rodgers massive height and weight, with his power and tenacity, meets Nagta’s quickness and athleticism. This guy is really really something special!
@Husker61- I was really disappointed with what I have seen from still, especially against Nebraska this past weekend, he is not the penetrator, run stuffer that I thought he was made out to be. He reminds me more of an under tackle or a 3-4 defensive end, very similar to Cullen Jenkins, the Colts need that NT presence!
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@Colts52761- I thought Marcus Forston was the starting NT prior to his injury, I am not sure if he is entering the draft or not.
@Sarah- That could be true, depending on contracts being re-worked, players being re-signed or released, and the office plan going forward. Some free agents could come as a bargain i.e. Shaun Rodgers and Aubrayo Franklin who would both be instant upgrades at NT! Franklin received little to no interest except from the Saints in the offseason, he could really come cheap. Landry, as amazing as that would be, and who I would love the Colts to pursue would come with a hefty price tag, so that’s an accurate analysis, but an unfortunate one!
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@Husker- Yeah he does look undersized, but the fact that he can run with some receivers, and most backs and tight-ends I think that would really bode well for a coverage linebacker, especially because it is an area the Colts lack. Not to mention he makes lots of tackles and is frequently cleaning up the play. It also depends on if the Colts switch to another system next season, if there is a coaching change, have to have personnel that fit what you do.
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I’ll be very forward with you, I do not like the pick of Luck #1, but I do think you have some good selections on there, especially Dontari Poe in the third round, however, he will not make it to the third round, the guys will have to be a first pick of the second round selection in my opinion. I even like the Kenny Tate pick as well, the guy could stay as an OLB or could convert to SS, but Bullitt is not a competent starter, he is a backup at best!
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He didn't... Manning's 1 plus Marino's 0= Dilfer's 1 with the Ravens.
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4-12 and that is being very generous. After last night most of you should see he really isn't as great as you guys think he is! He would still have the same holes this team has and as Rex Ryan said it about Brady, "Luck is no Manning!"
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@Doogan- Yeah, all along I wanted nothing to do with him, but I am not sure if we want his value to be really high, because one of two things could happen: the best option would be the Colts get a King's ransom for him or his value is so high the Colts refuse to pass on him which I do not want it to be!
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Lavonte David- Nebraska Rank 68
Kenny Tate- Maryland Rank 93
Sean Spence- The U Rank 83
Tyler Nielsen- Iowa Rank 158
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Poe- is 6’5” 350 he is the prototypical nose tackle size, but this guy not only anchors, but he penetrates because of his serious athleticism. He is being compared to Shaun Rodgers meets Haloti Nagta, and what I have seen of him I was impressed. I think the Colts can target him in the second/third round and think he would be a steal, similar to Nevis. Looking at it as far as Value he has first round talent, but because he plays at Memphis he isn’t as well known! That size, speed, and overall athleticism cannot be taught! Who do you like Ramblin based on what you have seen?
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@Colts52671- None of those guys are impact nose tackles. The player from the U that I like and will probably fall because of injury, is Marcus Forston.
@Alfred- I agree, and that would be logical; however if the Colts do not pursue Soliai, Franklin, or Rodgers, the Colts have to go Poe!
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If the Colts are trading back from #1 overall, we need to get lots of value there, if its with Miami, either Vonte Davis CB, Jake Long LT, or Paul Soliai NT, and their first, second, and fourth rounders this year! If the Colts get Vonte Davis they don’t need to go Claiborne number one, could go another direction, and it depends where we are drafting, Colts may not find a trade partner other than Miami at two, and I think Claiborne could be a reach at #2 overall. But otherwise your picks are onboard with the consensus, CB, NT,SS,OL have to be selected, as well as OLB!
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@Jason- So I was able to watch lots of football today, in particular I was observing nose tackles. I watched Still from Penn State, Worthy from Michigan St., Short from Purdue, Alameda Ta'amu Washington, Jaye Howard of Florida, Randal of Texas, Thompson of Clemson, and Poe of Memphis. I will now rank them from what I saw as who my top prospects are of these top prospects.
1. Poe- Memphis-Really Big, physical, and athletic, he is my top NT prospect.
2. Ta’amu-Not as tall or athletic as Poe, but has similar size and abilities.
3. Thompson-Solid run stuffer, doesn’t bring the size of the two above him.
4. Worthy-Very stout at the point of attack and can penetrate, kind of raw.
5. Short-Very similar to Thompson, but more raw, could be mid round steal.
6. Randal-Would like him picked late as Nevis back up as an Under Tackle.
7. Howard-Very Undersized, not a NT, looks more like a 3-4 DE prospect.
8. Still-Thought he would be better suited as a 3-4 DE as well.
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@Sarah- I think that is very common amongst most of us, that we want the big body who requires the double teams, but can anchor and penetrate both, I think we need more of a 3-4 nose tackle type as well. I watched Alameda Ta'amu today verse USC and I must say I was pleasantly surprised! Jason who comments in this thread is very knowledgeable of college players and told me he was an overweight UT and not a NT despite playing the NT in the 3-4 front. I must say he was fantastic from what I saw! My top two NT prospects are now Ta’amu and Poe! As long as the Colts get one of them!
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+1!!!! He would have the same problems Peyton had his entire career, except he would only be able to lead the Colts to about four wins instead of zero that they are on pace for now. Where Manning makes them a Super Bowl contendor every year. How about fix the problems using Luck's value as an advantage!
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Well in my thread if you were the GM, I am proposing getting Vonte Davis and Jake Long in addition to the draft picks, with the hype of Luck, obviously I am advocating get as much as you can for Luck, would you be opposed to bringing Jake Long over to play LT, which is going to push Castonzo to RT, and Ijalana inside? In this scenario with Long coming over, then I would agree Blackmon, Jeffrey, or Trent Richardson, I think with that new line I would lean to Trent Richardson personally.
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Look at my thread and post what you would do. But I agree if you are at number two after the trade with Miami the best player on the board is Matt Kalil, anyone else there might be a reach.
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If the Colts are picking #2 you have to take Kalil, I don't care what they spent their first two picks on last year, you build a team from inside out. Clearly solidifying the line for Peyton should be the top priority.
@Superbowlorbust- In my post "If you were the GM" I suggested Vonte Davis as well. I also said get Jake Long, protecting Manning has to be the number one priority if he is healthy and able to play.
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There is also a fifth man coming with pressure, the SAM is the fifth man on the line of scrimage that can come as a pass rusher. I also said the Cover 2 more of what Chicago runs which is similar to what the Colts have but with man to man coverage.
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@Jason- Bro I have to agree with those reports. Jerry Hughes played OLB at TCU, he was a stand up pass rusher, not a hand on the ground pass rusher, but Bill Polian thought otherwise and was wrong. Ijalana was thought to be able to play tackle or guard, the reason he was thought to be better suited for guard, was because his best attribute is his ability to maul in the run game. Bill thought he was better suited to play Tackle, and that may be true, verdict is out on him, he is hurt so there is no way of knowing. But I think the idea of him playing guard is there, and you just stated scouting reports say he would have been better suited at Guard. That report really took both of our perspectives and blended it, I called him a NT, he does play 3-4 0 Technique NT, and you called him more of an under tackle in a 4-3, well the reports has him as a 4-3 1 Tech NT which is what I thought he would be better suited for, and is a blend of what your saying as well. I agree that for his weight he isn’t as stout against double, or even one on one matchups as others like Short and Thompson are, but he also can penetrate better than they can, which is an attribute you have to like. His size clogs lanes, and he is athletic enough to penetrate from NT, but he also could be taught the technique he is lacking, the size and athleticism cannot be taught. I think he may sneak in to the first round, now if he falls to the third round like you think he might, I think he is worth a third round pick, but I really like Poe!