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1 hour ago, aaron11 said:
somebody should make sure to keep the patriots forum updated with every bit of colts news, might as well post a peyton manning high light video there as well
its only fair, the patriot fans seem to think we need an update for everything that happens with their team
Patriot fans think this? 90% of the Patriot threads on this board are started by Colts fans. And within those threads, about 90% of the posts are by Colts fans. And the second Patriots fans don't contribute we get some smart post from a Colts fan wondering where all the Patriots fans went! Please...we aren't the ones you have to 'thank' for constantly updating you on our team.
Before twitter became a thing, I always said that this forum is where I came for up to date Patriots news. You guys are very, very quick to post all things New England. In the 13+ years that I've been here, that hasn't changed.
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37 minutes ago, csmopar said:
you mean steal a couple more?
Sure, why not.
He did straight up swipe this last one from Atlanta...didn't he.
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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I honestly think he is the GOAT, no joking aside. The 2 scandals which I really don't want to discuss nor do the MODS want to read about anymore are still in the back of my mind though. Having said that after this last SB win it's tough to argue against him not being the GOAT. I love Peyton and he is Top 5 without a doubt but Tom has won 5 SB's and 4 SB MVP's. I have no real debate for that other than Peyton being better statistically and winning 5 League MVP's. I am just glad Peyton won that 2nd Ring because that put him in Top 5 without question and he retired on top. Regarding Tom I think he will win another SB, I actually don't see why they wont Repeat with Peyton retired. Big Ben stinks it up vs them and KC chokes every season. Colts are in rebuild mode with the Defense and new GM. Raiders don't have the Defense and I have to see Carr play Great 2 years in a row before I can say, yeah he may be Very Good to Great. Andrew did it his first 3 years so I knew he was legit Good to Great.
There really is just nothing left to hold against him. Some think he's the greatest, some think he's not...and that doesn't even matter. The simple fact is that its getting harder and harder to make a legitimate argument against him.
Think about this...he won three titles in his first four years. Then Spygate became a story, and regardless of what it actually did or didnt do or what people on either side believes, it provided those who were looking a reason to question. So what did he do to prove that videotaping wasn't the reason he won? He led his team to an 18-0 record before losing the Superbowl on a miracle play. So what next? He brought his team back to the Superbowl again a few years later, and narrowly lost in part due to another unbelievable catch. So great, that gave people more reason to say 'the Patriots haven't won since Spygate'. Then in 2014 he was on his way to another Superbowl, and boom, a story about deflated footballs becomes a national scandal and the ultimate trump card for those looking to delegitimize all he's accomplished. All he did in that game with what had to be the most carefully guarded and perfectly inflated footballs in history was carve up the league's best defense to win his 4th championship.
But fine...I guess people could still question if they felt the need to. The problem for them is that he won the Superbowl again 2 years later, for an unprecedented 5th time, free of anything that people could point to to undermine it. So in the end, if people want to cling to 'the gates' or it still occupies space in their head in order to justify to themselves how someone could possibly be this good or this successful, just realize that he's won before, during, AND after these 'scandals'. He's been to 7 Superbowls in the 15 years he has started and won 5 of them. There simply isnt anything left to hold against him.
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11 hours ago, ReMeDy said:
Yea, this storytelling about Brady's career should wait after he's done. For all we know, he might go Aaron Hernandez on someone and commit murder.
Or, you know, instead of killing someone he could just win a few more Superbowls...
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7 hours ago, southwest1 said:
Are you be completely honest with me when the score was 28-3 in Atlanta's favor in the second half? No hesitation or fear at all? Really? Come on now...
I will say, at half time we filled up the shot glasses and toasted to 'the greatest comeback in Superbowl history'....but please, at the time not a single one of us believed it!
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2 minutes ago, GwinnettColt said:
Easily. I think Montana, Bradshaw when I think the Greatest QB's of All Time.
When I think of the GOAT QB, I don't think Brady. He'll always be Tuck Rule Tommy to me. He's fortunate to play in Belichick's refined system. He's a good QB, sure, but it was the system that got him where he is.
They had a good last half of the fourth quarter while the Falcons went to sleep too early.
Not worth arguing...but you think of Bradshaw when you think of Greatest QBs of All Time???
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7 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Hats off to the win. That comeback was unreal. Brady and Peyton both have been awesome but Brady winning 5 Rings is pretty special.
We may never see anything like it again...
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12 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:
If the 2008 Pats had such an easy schedule then how we're they the only 11-5 team to never make the playoffs? Even the cellar team of that division won 7 games iirc.
Thats exactly the point. Even the dreadful AFC East was able to rise up and capitalize!
Brady haters love to point to how the Patriots somehow managed to win 11 games without him in '08 and here in 2016 somehow managed to win 3 without him and that somehow proves how he isn't great (kind of exactly the same point that could be made about how the broncos are 4-0 with a rookie after PM btw)...but the Patriots literally....played....crap....teams...during...those...wins.
It proves that a pretty darn good team can have a pretty...well...capable backup...and still beat the teams that it should.
No more, no less. Simply put, that's it.
Bradys back. Time to make another run.
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56 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:
This is just to easy...how can it depend on who is under center when all Bill does is win with whoever is under center lol your money or your wishes lean towards Brady (aka everybody not in love with Brady)...
This is just easier.
Maybe sometimes it has to do with who they're playing??? As hoodie said, the 2008 Patriots had one of the easiest schedules of recent memory, 7 months removed from having a roster making up one of the greatest teams of all time.
Just to to play your 'Brady-only' game...let's 'cherry pick' and use only 2008 and the start of 2016: in 2008 the Patriots were 3-4 against teams above .500. They were 8-1 against teams at or below .500. In 2016, the Patriots are 1-0 against teams above .500, and 2-1 against teams at or below.
Let me do the math for you so that there is no confusion:
WITHOUT TOM BRADY
Patriots vs teams above .500: 4-4
Patriots vs teams at or below .500: 10-2
I know I know, you're a Colts fan so you aren't used to beating the teams you are supposed to...but for everyone else, that record vs those opponents isn't the anti Brady 'trump card' you think it is, sorry.
There are Brady lovers and Brady haters all over the place...let's wait until his career is over before we start calling him overrated, shall we? Heck, as we all saw last year, if you have a great defense, maybe all you have to do is show up...so who knows...maybe he'll be able to collect a few more rings before he hangs em up.
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14 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:
By going excuse me excuse me excuse me let's look at these stats from 15 years ago because they're more important than the ones now...
He didn't say 'more important'...he's simply including it as relevant...which, you know, you SHOULD do when talking about a total body of work.
What if I only looked at the last 2 years of Peyton Manning's career, instead of looking, say, 10 years ago to try to make a case about him? It's the same point you are making, just to a lesser extreme.
If you include every season, instead of omitting a few that either helps or hurts the argument you are trying to make (whether 10 years ago or 10 days ago, it doesnt matter), you can't be criticized for 'cherry-picking'.
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9 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
I also guess that being the most fined and suspended team in the NFL has not made an issue over how the success was gotten?
False. That's just not true. Look it up, the teams at the top may surprise you... ... ... ...
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5 hours ago, Cynjin said:
Heard a report that all four will meet with the NFL. Smart move by them.
Edit:. Neal may not have agreed to meet yet.
Mort reported that all 4 will meet.
He should really correct that tweet
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8 hours ago, RockThatBlue said:
The NFL and Goodell are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
If the NFL didn't investigate the report people would claim Roger is letting players cheat without doing nothing. If he does try to interview them he gets attacked for showing too much power.
The players should grow a pair and go to the interview and be done with it. If you have nothing to hide then why not go and clear your name? The players are kind of being drama queens about this IMO.
I mean, if you were running a business and someone came to you telling you some of your employees were doing something bad, wouldn't you want to check it out, even if the source may not be reliable? Better safe than sorry.
The issue with statements like this are that the players have no reason to trust the NFL in cases such as this. It's very easy for us to sit there and say 'if there's nothing to hide, then just go clear your name'...but lets be honest here...the last few higher profile disciplinary cases in the NFL have not exactly gone without controversy and dishonesty. There is certainly precedent for the players to be skeptical.
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On 7/21/2016 at 4:40 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Of course there is no right answer to who is the greatest of all-time. Some think Dan Marino is and he never even won a SB, some would take Favre to the grave! it's definitely opinion based. Regarding the two Patriots employees, I would've loved to hear their story under oath. That would've cleared up a lot for me. I don't think they would risk lying under oath. So had they said Tom knew nothing about what we were doing under oath and it couldn't be proven otherwise than I would accept that. I just find it hard to believe Tom didn't know what he was doing. Then once the investigation started he just looked more guilty IMO, destroying his phone, etc..
Why don't you accept what Tom Brady said under oath, then?
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23 hours ago, southwest1 said:
Where exactly did I specify that the location of fumbles home or away matters? I don't recall even mentioning that D13.
"Why would we start the conversation at comparing the best team over that time to 3 of the worst?"
You really don't comprehend why I wanted to include ball security numbers across the entire AFC East division for 10 years? Seriously? I don't know maybe a decade is a good measuring stick to compare & contrast how well or not so well all rivals in that division fare with lousy weather conditions when November & Decembers brings high winds, sleet, rain, & snow perhaps.
Also, when did I mention ball boys when corresponding with you today? I never mentioned that once either. Why do you keep mentioning things I never said to begin with? Just curious.
I quoted more than just your post in my reply. Overall the narrative for those who try to connect the ball pressure to fumble rates is that they never fumble at home and that somehow proves something. I am simply making the case that a) they DO fumble at home, and b) when you actually look at the numbers, it doesn't support that claim
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2 hours ago, bababooey said:
No but we can explain why they don't fumble when playing in New England vs. elsewhere.
*Sigh*
They DO fumble in New England...just because they didn't lose one at home in 2014 doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
32 minutes ago, southwest1 said:Let's compare those fumble & or ball security numbers against every team in the AFC East division for the past decade not just Foxboro D13 & then we can talk or begin the conversation there where it should actually start.
Why would we start the conversation at comparing the best team over that time to 3 of the worst? In terms of ball security, when a team is ahead they tend to fumble less...and when teams are behind and taking more risks they tend to turn it over more. Remember this time last year? Everyone here was saying 'i cant wait to see the Patriots fumble numbers this year'....heck...during the first game of the season against Pittsburgh the Patriots fumbled and I remember people here even saying things like 'see! told ya! Now that they don't have deflated balls they fumble more!' Everyone wanted to believe that more fumbles would prove something.
Well now that the total numbers are in...what did we learn? Where did those people go? They had fewer fumbles with those 'properly inflated balls' than they did with the balls that supposedly allowed them to fumble so few times in the past. The argument just doesn't make sense. Not to mention...you want to talk about the last decade? Other than 2014 and 2015, every season for the 10 years before that, the Patriots fumbled MORE times at home than they did on the road. How exactly does that help make your point if the Patriots ballboys only handle the balls when they are at home?
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19 hours ago, southwest1 said:
Recovery of footballs after a fumble has taken place has nothing to do with the fact that NE historically since 2000 has the lowest fumble numbers than 31 other teams in the NFL D13. Highly grippable QB gloves, additional moisture on footballs, or even a heightened emphasis on ball security in practice do not account for Foxboro's success rate over a decade long window & you know this. Who are you kidding?
If you put lack of fumbles next to the rest of the rivals in the AFC East with Miami, Buffalo, & NY Jets combined, the Patriots still come out on top, how is that statistically possible? Answer: It's not. Nice try D13. Not buying this nonsense at all.
So we can't explain why their fumble numbers in 2015 were consistent with what they've been the last 10 years...
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20 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
They actually had no fumbles at home all season in 2014 that much I do know. I looked it up. Strange considering the weather they play in.
10 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:They didn't have 1 fumble at home all season in 2014.
9 hours ago, southwest1 said:And I know what NE fans are gonna say to this criticism too. Come on fellas, Bill Belichick practices wet ball drills all the time, putting balls in freezers, & Brady usually plays with gloves on in cold weather you know.
'Number of fumbles' and 'Number of Fumbles Lost' are different things. The Patriots DID fumble at home in 2014...but they recovered all of them. People love the 'deflated balls were the reason for so few fumbles in 2014' argument...but why then were their 2015 numbers even better?
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17 hours ago, ÅÐØNϧ 1 said:
Produce a link to what murderer your referring to .. The Colts do there homework & they don't overlook someone who as a freshman was involved in a shooting . That is a fact that the Patriots or there fans overlooked out of convenience after all who would'nt kill for a Lombardi well outside of New England pretty much all 31 other teams .
Yeah...the Colts are perrrrrrrrfect. Their players never get arrested and the organization would never sign someone that may have had some trouble in their past. I've never heard of any Colts player being involved in domestic violence, DUI's, or weapon and drug charges. They're just all so great.
You keep claiming that New England has this history of signing bad guys, as if they intentionally seek out murderers, you know...just because. Again, I ask you...are you this critical of the Kansas City Chiefs? A few years back one of their players straight up murdered his girlfriend...why don't they get your wrath for signing murderers? The Baltimore Ravens? Not a peep. You're trying to create this narrative that only the big bad New England Patriots would employ a player with potential issues.
Oh...and here you go:
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9 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Bill Simmons is definitely unbiased when it comes to the Patriots, RedSox, and Celtics. OK I am lying
He is the face of their media and that dude is the most biased Mass fan I have ever seen in my life!
He doesn't pretend not to be though....that's his schtick.
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2 minutes ago, Restored said:
My point is that New England fans (media included) are unabashed in their support that extend beyond normal reaches of fandom. Look at some of the personal, berating insults that were flung by both fans (and NE journalists) at Bob Kravitz when Deflategate first broke. It's just a bad look since that most of the Patriots actions have been largely perceived to be the result of blind fanboyism instead of legitimate cases.
Except that you're speaking in absolutes trying to make the case that all the media up here is responsible for 'creating' fanboys by being blind homers themselves. As if we are all just a bunch of zombies up here being brainwashed by the media narrative.
That simply isn't the case. Have you ever read an article of Dan Shaughnessy's? Have you ever listened to Felger and Mazz on the radio...the #1 rated sports talk show on daily from 2-6? Those guys are notorious for 'trolling' Patriots fans...they literally could not be more opposite of the picture you are painting.
There are levels of 'extreme' in every fan base...and unfortunately, those are the fans that tend to be the loudest. Again, it's not just some trait that can only be found in New England.
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1 hour ago, ÅÐØNϧ 1 said:
Smoking gun ..
On June 26, 2013, the nation awoke to the sight of a star player on one of the NFL's model franchises being escorted out of his house by police, a T-shirt pulled over his cuffed wrists. New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was charged later that day with the murder of Odin Lloyd, whose body had been found six days earlier near Hernandez’s home.
Since then, Hernandez has been charged with two previous murders and implicated in the shootings of three other people in two separate incidents dating back to his college days. A timeline of what has emerged about Hernandez in the past year:
PHOTOS: Aaron Hernandez investigation
Sept. 30, 2007 — Two men are shot in Gainesville, Fla., and four Florida football players are questioned, including freshman tight end Aaron Hernandez. Hernandez remains a person of interest in the Florida investigation.
Like I said warning signs ignored for wins in a game when winning is all that matters it can get embarrassing for those who live in denial .
Who has ever denied what Aaron Hernandez did?
You make it sound like the Patriots were looking at this guy, then someone told them, "he murdered someone" and then they were like, "Perfect! Let's sign him because if there's one thing we like here in New England, it's a friggen' murderer!!!"
Please. They cut him the second there was even a question. The fact that you even use Aaron Hernandez as some little quip against the Patriots is pathetic at best. There's a lot of nonsense in this league. Remember Belcher a few years ago? Guy straight up murdered his girlfriend. Are you criticizing the Chiefs for actively employing murderers???
You hate the Patriots. I gotta be honest I never saw that one coming... But can we please be a little objective? Even just for a second? Drafting Aaron Hernandez doesn't make the Patriots the devil. Continually treating the Colts like a chew toy does.
You like asterisks?
Cheers
* * ** denotes Patriots destroyed Colts is postseason on their way to Championship
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5 minutes ago, csmopar said:
No evidence at all to support that claim
You mean there is zero proof? Only speculative assumption?
Many here love to talk about 'the smoking gun' in regards to Deflategate...I guess that thinking only applies when the situation doesn't involve one of your own? Even if there was, quite literally, a smoking gun?
Weird.
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10 minutes ago, ÅÐØNϧ 1 said:
Yes this is correct & during that time your team cheated many times & video taped other teams practices & had a murderer on your team this is what that 15 year span represents .
Or...you know...it represents THIS:
And careful...the Colts may have had a murderer on their roster during their 'glory days' as well... ... ...
Smoking gun ..
Like I said warning signs ignored for wins in a game when winning is all that matters it can get embarrassing for those who live in denial .
Pats can be insane next year
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It's weird...this time last year we were talking about who would be the odd man out this year with Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Hightower, and Butler. Two were traded, they win the Superbowl, and now the remaining two might be gone too and people are still talking about how the Pats are getting better.
Sometimes things just don't make sense.