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  1. 41 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    That is the main point, you nailed it. Brady has always had the same coach and same system. Peyton hasn't and won with different systems. Gary Kubiak is an average coach at best. Kudos to Brady for being loyal but who wouldn't be if you had BB as coach. IMO, BB is the GOAT regarding coaches.

     

    Although Colts fans have always said the Peyton WAS the system...that he WAS the coach ;)

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  2. 47 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    1. You are in the minority here but most Pats will do anything to try and downgrade anything that Peyton has accomplished. Just like Peyton winning 5 MVP's to Brady's 3, to most Pats fans they dismiss that as well.  

     

    2. Denver's defense was the main reason why they won the SB in 2015, nobody has said otherwise. Having said that, Peyton played well vs Pittsburgh and the Pats to win the Conference. So he wasn't exactly "Trent  Dilfered" to a Championship. If I remember right Tom Brady put up crap stats in his 1st SB win vs the Rams, was he Trent Dilfered to Championship then too? Pats won that SB because of their defense mainly. Brady drove them down for a game winning FG, blah, blah but he still played a mediocre SB. Ben Roethlisberger stunk up the joint in his 1st SB as well but they won. Peyton proved he could win with 4 different coaches actually, if you do not find that impressive I do not know what to tell you. Also no way Brock Osweiler gets the Broncos to the SB in 2015. I can hear you now, well he beat the Pats in the Regular Season so he could've lmao . Typical Pats fan thinking. He would've crapped his pants against the Pats in an AFC Title Game environment against BB and Brady. Just Peyton's presence alone had BB going for it on 4th down in that game instead of taking sure points with FG's.

     

    3. If it is so easy winning a SB as a starter with 2 different teams, why is it Peyton is the only player in NFL history to do so? Montana tried with a good KC team and failed. Warner tried it with a good Cards team and failed.

     

    4. Brady has played with 1 coach his entire career, put him on just another good team with a different coach and the chances of him winning a SB would be slim. I say that because only Peyton has done it. 

     

    I'm not discrediting Peyton for his championships, nor did I say it was easy to win a Superbowl as a starter for two different teams. I just don't see why he somehow gets 'bonus points' for the fact that it was with two teams. Every situation is different...you referenced Montana who ran into Marino come the playoffs and Warner who did make it to another Superbowl. 

     

    The fact is that many Superbowl winning quarterbacks don't change teams, and more recently if they do, it was because they were traded and not always sent to as good a situation as Peyton was able to pick out in Denver.  And honestly, that's fine...again, I'm not discrediting him for it...I just don't understand why it's somehow more impressive. If I wanted to, I could make the argument that Brady HAS won with two different teams, since no player from the 2001/03/04 championship run was still on the team for the 2014/16/18 run. Literally the only difference is that the uniform didnt change color and it was the same head coach.

     

    If Brady was released and signed with that Denver team, do you think he would have won? If Aaron Rodgers was released and signed with that Denver team, do you think he would have won? Roethlisberger? Russel Wilson? There's a good chance of it, but as I said, most Superbowl winning quarterbacks don't get the opportunity to find a situation like that, so we just don't see it often. 

     

    Winning the Superbowl is freakin' hard, let alone doing it twice or more. I just don't understand why someone would get more credit simply because it was with two different jerseys.


  3. 16 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    Brady has 6 Rings, Montana 4, and Peyton has 2 but did win as a starter with 2 different teams. Something Brady or Montana has not done

     

    I've always wondered why this 'fact' seems to hold so much weight...or any at all...for some people. What is so impressive about winning with two teams if it happened the way it did: being released, hand picking your next team, and then being Trent Dilfered and Brad Johnsoned to a championship.

     

    Don't get me wrong, Brady and Peyton were 1A and 1B during this generation and the all time conversations will always be fun...I just don't understand why the 'he won with two teams while the others only won with one' sentiment even enters the debate. Is it supposed to somehow tip the scales more for a guy if he wins 2 titles with 2 teams than if he won 4 titles with 1 team or if he won 6 titles with 1 team? Brady hasn't even been on 2 teams...why should Peyton get credit for it?

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