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Why is this? He could have made Moore or Mudd Head coach. These two guys had 40 years coaching just with the Colts organization. Dungy picks a assistant for the job. I think Dungy was looking out for a brother and Polian new he was just what he was looking for. A yes man without a clue. This doesn't mean Dungy or Caldwell are bad men. I have said this before, If they offered me the Job, I would take it too. For that kind of money, what the heck. Dungy has been running his mouth a lot lately. He would have never been to a superbowl without Manning. He had the best defense for years in Tampa and could not get it done.
I can't wait for people´s reaction to your post! Gonna be freaking funny
I'm not touching that with a 20 foot pole
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Oh no, he is gone, I don't care what ESPN says, the official site of the Indianapolis Colts has released the news. I will not be happy about a person losing his job, never ever. But I think this is the best decision for the franchise, I wonder what kind of implications this is gonna have on the Manning cunondrum
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TRUE IT IS ON THE COLTS SITE. COLTS.COM
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Phase 1: Fire everyone
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit
Love every South Park quote
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What I'm thinking through is a) people wanting Manning to play this year - not realistic. B) people saying if manning doesn't play this year we need to draft Luck and trade Peyton - not very smart when for all we know Peyton could be 100% next season. c) people within the media and fan base continue discussing Mr Luck giving credence to the entire thing. d) people posting here express sentiments - as some have - that amount to tossing Peyton aside for Luck regardless of his status.
As for thinking the actual situation through, how about this. Remain loyal to the team and Manning, remain realistic about this season, wait patiently for Feb/March when a final eval can be done on Manning's neck and shoulder to determine whether he is/is not, will be/will not be healthy next season, then we can have this discussion. Having it now, along with all the calls for it to be done, is simply premature and disrespectful - imho.
Ok so not talking about the future, what can yoou give us permission to talk about? Tehe Falcons game? What would you entertain as a good topic?
People like you are a cancer to this fanbase, you all keep talking about how you saw this team suck for decades, it's almost like you miss that, you've enjoyed 13 years of connstant success and now that there is a chance to prolongue that for another 15 years, you want to go back to 1996 and be romantic about it.
WE AS FANS MOVE ON TOO, I'll take 15 years of success rather than 3 or 4, I don't want this team signing the McNabbs of the next five years, once you get a chance to build for the future, you do it PERIOD and I also wish Peyton coulfd win more rings, I don't want him to be on this terrible team without a chance
Montana got sent to the Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You mention duty. What is the first duty of any NFL team? To put a winning product on the field. That's why Marvin Harrison was cut the moment he lost a step. That's why Unitas finished his career a charger. It's why Montana wore a chiefs uniform at the end. If cutting/trading Peyton Manning made us a better team (and I'm not saying it would mind you) then the colts have a duty to do just that. No one player is more important than the team. We're seeing why that is right now, because we structured our team so that one player was more important than the entire team.
Do you get upset when we cut guys with time still on their contracts? Aferall the team certainly put on paper a committment for serveral years. Do they not have a duty to honor that contract? Is that not the honorable thing to do?
And I think you're giving the fans way too much credit. Fans want to win. That's why no one cared about the Colts before Manning showed up and they started winning. It's like that in every city with every team. It has nothing to do with "doing things the right way." It's about winning.
I'm not saying you don't do things the right way or fill your team with high character guys. But you do that because those sort of people are the type of people who make you into a winner. This is football. A game men play where they beat the crap out of each other in order to move a leather ball across an imaginary line.
APPLAUSE you are so right and people here are sooooooooooooooooooooo naive... Team is more important than player, any player
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The same people who are denying this news, are the same ones who were saying there was no way Peyton would miss a game, or he would need a third surgery...
Face it people Luck is the Peyton Manning or John Elway of this generation, they come every 15 years, he is as NFL ready as he can be, you don't pass on that for four years of maybe...
Peyton threw his last pass as a Colt to Blair White, it was an incopletion.
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I was so sure Manining would be back with the Colts, I even posted it here on a very long thread, but I just don't see it happening anymore.
The Colts will draft Andrew Luck, this team is bad, lacks talent everywhere and I don't actually think this can be turned around in one year,rebuilding sounds more likely and Luck seems to be the perfect fit
I hear Manning would leave peacefully if the Colts draft Luck, and I believe the Colts would give him the chance to chose what team to play for, out of those seeking the trade (I believe PM is worth two first round picks, maybe one of theose could be a future pick, anyway, where do you think he could go?
I think Jets and Niners make the most sense
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This Vontae Davis + Soliai + the #2 pick thing: ¿Is it possible? I mean that sure is a looooooooot
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Yeah it's a stampede blue article,but read it, it is actually good.
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All true but he is also 35+ years old, coming off a very serious injury that was so bad he had to leave the country to try and get some additional care that isn't even approved for in this country. An injury that could impact on his way of life way after he retires. He had a great run and may even have a season or two left in him, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare for his departure or in the Colts case be the one who decides when his time here is over.
I just guaranteed it... seriously, any complains in the next two years, I'll take the heat.
I GUARANTEE IT
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THE GREATNESS OF PEYTON MANNING
His greatness goes far beyond the field, what he does on the field, his total and absolute control of the offense, his reads, his precision, his obvious preparation every single Sunday. The man is a football machine he turned the worst franchise in the NFL into a powerhouse a perennial playoff team, a Superbowl champion and a finalist too. He practices and watches fil like no other, he is a product of his own efforts and preparation, and no one approaches football like Peyton.
Sure he was the more ready prospect coming out of College, but clearly, Leaf was the more talented, the more upsight lied with him, he’ll be better in the end, yeah, right.
Every loss, every playoff failure would be awarded to the fact that he couldn’t win the big game, he was a choker, he had every weapon he ever wanted, like Marvin or Reggie, pro bowlers, talented guys who made it easy for him, a running game with E. James and the great Bill Polian and especially the genius Dungy, but he couldn’t win the big game, he didn’t miss the fieldgoals, he didn’t call the timeouts, but it was the choker who cost this team the playoff failures.
Then Marvin goes and comes Garçon out of Mount Union, and White and Collie and Tamme and Gonzalez and Wayne loses some speed and Peyton makes them look like stars, and people said, kudos to Polian for finding the hidden talent on later rounds, sure Peyton makes them look like pro bowlers but they are good! Look at them now… He threw the pick in the SB! He lost it, he choked again, yeah, we forced one third down the entire second half of that SB, but sure, it is Peyton’s fault again.
Last year, he throws a ton of interceptions and people, despite the fact he he is playing with marginal talent both on offense and defense, and he delivers, he TAKES THE HEAT, he takes the blame and carries the whole team and the whole pressure into the playoffs. He sits next to Deion Sanders and has to explain himself to that clown, but he is educated, he won’t throw a rant, he’ll kindly answer the questions.
Then a few weeks later the coach decides he wants to give the Jets a chance to kick the field goal, Peyton looks mesmerized, but he shuts up, and again: “had he thrown a better pass to Blair White, we convert the first down and win” And Peyton goes home and takes the blame, he shuts up and just works to be better.
Brady is better, Brees is better, Montana, Elway… they are all better, they won more championships or in Brees and Rodgers case they are starting to dominate the league and playing better than him, he is old, he lost arm strength, and Peyton with no running game, no pass protection whatsoever, late round WR’s and a very, very bad defense playing for him, shuts up, and goes into the hospital, to get a surgery; turns out he has been having tremendous pain in his neck for the past five years (look at his numbers in those five years, like he wasn’t feeling anything), last year was just too much, turns out he wasn’t regressing, how great are you Peyton? Injury and all, you still throw for 4700 yards and carry the whole team on your shoulders, but you won’t brag about it, you sure are great; you talk about the team and the collective effort in the wins.
Then the players and owners decide they don’t wanna play, so he loses valuable training room time, the season comes and he cannot recover, as a matter of fact, his career is in doubt now.
The team is the worst, suddenly our small players look their actual size, they cannot tackle, they cannot block, they cannot cover and they cannot throw or catch.
The Colts lost their leader, many people blamed him for the losses, many didn’t, doesn’t matter, he’d always take the blame, he was the leader of this team and just like he took an arguably underserved MVP award in the 2006 super bowl, he’ll also listen to people call him a chocker and take the losses when really, they weren’t his fault. What does he say: I BLEED WITH THEM EVERY SUNDAY EVEN THOUGH I’M NOT THERE, but as soon as he can, he is there, on the sideline, and you can see, he is actually bleeding like his teammates.
Peyton Manning will be back, Luck or no Luck, no one will send Peyton Manning to the bench or to a trade retirement unless it’s Peyton Manning.
You can bring 6 Andrew Lucks and they can be as talented as you like, but Peyton is a competitor, he will force them to sit and learn from him, cause this is his league, he made this a passing league, every defensive coordinator out there had to change his philosophy and adapt tp the times because Peyton Manning decided so, and every team wants a franchise QB and an aerial offense because Peyton Manning said so.
He’ll be back next year, there is no way a nerve, or a bone, or a muscle will beat the greatest player to ever walk a football field, he´ll be back and he´ll be healthy, hungry, more experienced, at least in life, and more motivated than ever, he´ll be back and he´ll be better, believe that. We as Colts fans are failing to recognize his greatness goes beyond our previous understanding of it, he was even greater than we thought.
This man is the NFL, he is the colts and he is the best ever. So sit back and enjoy the next four years people, because he is not going anywhere, I, like Joe Namath, GUARANTEE IT. We’ll see that second ring, things will turn in our favor, believe in blue, believe in PEYTON “THE GREATEST NFL PLAYER IN HISTORY” MANNING.
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great topic DN
The key factor is how the players respond and their demeanor on and off the field.
If you take Caldwell for example, the year we went to teh Super Bowl under him, our players played their hearts out that season. Now the question is were they doing it for our coach or were they doing it for Manning?
This year our leader is out. The players are not responding the same way. Is Caldwell really doing anything differently? I really don't think he is.
I think players that are leaders on a team are just as important as any coach is. You are talking about Phil Jackson. He had Jordan/Pippen and then Kobe/Shaq, these players have enough influence to motivate a team. This can greatly overshadow Phil's credentials.
Torre is a genuis. In baseball you can have the highest payroll and lose every year. You can have the best star players and fail to make playoffs. Many teams with high payrolls do not do well. Joe Torre had the players respect in NY and that's why he won. Maybe in LA the players see him differently.
In my opinion Bellichek can make playoffs with the state of our team right now. He will find a way to make playoffs without Manning. Bellicheck is a regime and a tradition.
As far as impact goes, in any sport, players make more impact than coaches do. It's the players that play. It is all about bonds formed. In NFL a strong defensive unit and a great football tradition will pass on from one coach to another. Take Baltimore for example, they feed from Lewis/Reed tandem, no matter who theri coach is they will always play great D and they will always make playoffs while those two are on that team. Look at Pittsburgh, they been playing great defense for decades and winning SB's no matter what coach was there.
Same with the offense. Cohesiveness on the O-line and the ability of the entire Offense to click and feed off of eachother. This happens with great player leaders and trust amongst the players.
Not at all, this is his best asset, he controlls this dressing rooms filled with egos and talent, that is the hardest thing to do, having talent is half of it, you have to be able to convince these people to work in favor of the team, t's so easy to lose the players, Coaches are psycologists, not strategists, I dareanyone to coach a team with sooo many stars, hall of famers, egomaniacs, it's so hard to doQ
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The debate is on if Jim Caldwell is a good coach or not. So how do we decide? I mean was Phil Jackson of the NBA a great coach or just lucky to have 3-4 of the greates players to ever suit up in the NBA on this team?
What about Bill B. in NE? He couldn't do anything in Cleveland but comes to NE, gets good/great talent around him and wins 3 SB in like 4-5 seasons, but hasn't won one in while, even in the season he team went undefeated until the SB and was beaten by Tom Coughlin and the NY Giants, a team they had already beaten in teh regular season.
You look at Joe Torre in MLB, managed a number of different teams to nothing special, goes to the Yankees with all their talent and money and wins a handful of WS titles, then goes to the Dodges and does basically nothing.
How much impact does the coach have? Do NFL coaches have more impact on the outcome of a game over say a MLB manager or NBA manager? Jimmy Johnson was great in Dallas because he was a great coach, or because due to sucking so much before he got there and the incredible Walker trade made some incredible draft picks and those players got Dallas on top?
I personally think it's not easy to determine any coaches ability over a short time period. I think a number of things go into how good coaches are....what do others think?
I own along with my family a consulting firm, we are based in Houston Tx.
What we do is work with these management groups to make them work like real teams,we coach them to work towards results while developing their talents and training them in decision making,effectiveness, teamwork and many other things, so, basically, we, as coaches, make groups of people work toward the common goal with their individualism and talent.
That's a coach, a guy who has the ability to:
Find talent, explodethat talent individually and put it to work for the benefit of the whole TEAM not group, but TEAM.
Keep your TEAM focused, through the good and the bad and especially convince these people that you can lead them to their individual and more importantly, collective achievements.
You are a manager of people,we keep talking about schemesand stretegy, you can leave that to the coordinators.
Our mojo is "A manager is a person whoknows how to DO through others" surround yourself with talent and manage people.
I believe that is a Coach, a people manager, an ego manager, a self esteem manager... x's and o's are cool, but you have to be able to keep people on the right track.
edit: this sounded like publicity, it isn't really, but you can contact me if you need our services just kidding, but not really.
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The secondary in the Tampa is designed for the corners to jam the receivers at the line and collect into their respective zone and pass a covered receiver off to the safeties around 12 yards off the line. The safeties are exactly what their name implies: they cover the deepest aspect of the field and are the last line of defense but they are most commonly also the playmakers. They are required to diagnose the play and are around the ball, so they are most commonly the ones with the ball in their hands after interceptions.
So... what are we doing? iIs Coyer creating the "Coyer-2"? It makes so much sense, if you collapse the pocket quickly, and bring pressure with your front four, which we still do, and If you don't believe that look at Brees always three step droping and passing, because he knows we can get to him, then you jam the receivers forcing the QB to hold on to the football or make a mistake...
But you give these cushions so, then you are just doing nothing, just because the WRs are free to do whatever they want.
I think every scheme can work, we don't necessarily need to change it, but we absolutely need to run the schemes the way they have to be ran!
I say we need DT in the first round, so we can really bring pressure from the four men in the front, and then we get CB's who can be physical enough to TACKLE and jam the receivers on the line
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At this point I don't see why we should bother to sign him. We are 0-7 and not contenders, why not let the young guys get some experience even if its a beat down.
Maybe we just want the first pick... Maybe Isray and Polian said, you know what? fudge it, let it be.
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One of Gonzo's problems is he is ALWAYS short. On 3rd and 6, he gets 5, for instance. Makes a catch late in the 4th quarter when we are trying to run the clock down, and steps out of bounds. Makes a catch late in the 4th quarter when we are driving for game winner, and doesn't step out of bounds. Seems to have no game awareness. Prolly be ok if someone told him every down what to do Skills seem to be adequate.
True, I rememeber a playoff game in San Diego...
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Gonzalez has had problems staying healthy, he has had no problems with his hands; in fact, he has good hands (especially when compared to Garcon). I'm really surprised he's not getting more playing time...I was looking forward to seeing what he could do(if he remained healthy).
Garçon has 1 drop this season, he leads the team in Yards and Receptions and TD receptions, he's been targeted less times than Wayne... This "garçon drops balls" is getting old
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Let's clear up a couple of things.
- This isn't Manning's decision. At all. If he makes it his or tries to, he's being selfish. I don't see him doing anything of the sort.
- This is all Phil Simms speculating. Let me repeat that. This is nothing but speculation. Phil Simms could write that Manning will demand a 400 foot bronze statue of himself erected outside of LOS and that doesn't mean a thing.
- This argument about money is silly as Pacolts already pointed out. The new CBA ensures we won't be paying what some think we will be paying. That's why they put it in, so that drafting a player doesn't become prohibitive.
- Having Luck learn under Manning for a few years is not a bad thing. It's actually quite the opposite. Nothing could be better for a young QB than to spend a year or three watching Peyton Manning prepare to be an NFL QB. Learning what is expected and what it takes to succede in the NFL. Greatness is what happens when talent and hardwork meet.
- Trading the pick to attempt to rebuild the team for the expressed purpose of getting Manning another superbowl isn't likely to succede either. These are rookies we're talking about. Even highly drafted ones will likely have a period of learning to play in the NFL before they are really productive. It's not realistic to expect to draft a bunch of rookies and go right to a superbowl. Yeah, it could happen, but filling your hopes and dreams on that happening is likely to end in disappointment.
-Not saying that trading the pick wouldn't be an option, but to expect these guys to come in as rookies and be the pieces that lead us to a superbowl isn't. If we do that, it's again long term.
Indeed it isn't Manining's decision. Again, he can make it easier or harder for us, so I believe you want him to have some sort of say in this, you just signed him to a 100M contract for 5 years.
This is Phil Simms speculating, and above it's you speculating and now it's me speculating, so? I think he has a point, you draft Luck and keep him you miss a chance to make this team better for Peyton, hence, probabilities of winning a SB become slimmer...
1st Ovr pick gets about 22M in 5 years, that's still a lot of money, where you put that money matters in terms of talent allocation, again, drafting a QB and playing Manning limits our chances to allocate more talent in the team.
Peyton Manning said: The best way for a rookie QB to learn and become good is beong on the field... He'd be so cynical if he didn't follow that now, he is Luck's number one advisor...
It's not realistic thinking that rookies will help us win SB... why is Luck gonna? especially in the short-term, I actually believe a CB in the first round PLAYING ON THE FIELD EVERY SUNDAY is more likely to help us than a Rookie QB on the sidelines, taking snaps when games are already won...? INCONGRUENT
You can also get xperienced players from other teams on a trade like this, not only picks, did you account for that?
If we draft Luck, we have to trade Peyton and rebuild.
If we trade out, we have to get Peyton some serious talent.
YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FRANCHISE, you draft a QB you miss a chance to get either rookie talent or helpful vets, This team is lacking talent, again; THIS TEAM IS LACKING TALENT, bringing PM back it's not gonna be enough. Better give him a chance to win, either here or in another team.
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Well fortunately it's not his decision, so if the team thinks the best way forward is drafting Luck, then they should do so. Manning should not have any say in this, and if he does, our front office is doing our team a disservice.
Furthermore, this is just Phil Sims speculating. In other words, this is much ado about nothing.
It's not, but he can make life harder, or easier on us... Trading him, with his willingness will cost os x money. Releasing him, because he is angry, will cost us x + 80million dollars, plus he can still sign with any team and come beat the heck out of us.
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mod, there is a posse here that gangs up on new members.
They think they control this forum.
they also team up together and give out negative points. They work together to achieve this. I tried to combat them with giving out positive points to the dude they torchered the other day. But there is too many of them.
Please do something about this because they are not fair to the rest of the people here. There shouldn't be any posse allowed.
Dude read what you wrote outloud, c'mon, what are you 7? And I'm an old member and I haven't even written anything negative, but seriously your post is like nerdy.
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Based on that video, I don't like him that much... his release may not be slow, but due to his throwing motion it seems to me like he could fumble a lot of balls like Collins did this year (Michael Johnson on pre-season sack comes to mind). Huge arm though.
Spread offense needed for him to succeed I think...
I like Matt Barkley, his motion is just perfect, great selling the playaction, pro style offense mastered, 3-5-7 step drops and he makes good reads... I don't know
Luck And The "shadow" Of Peyton
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So, almost everybody en the media believes Peyton's time in Indy is up, some fans do, some fans also do but cannot accept it, and a few fans really don't think so.
So, let's assume he is gone, healthy, but let go, and we draft Andrew freaking Luck.
One thin is to be a first overall pick and having that pressure, when the team you are going to, basically sucks, and has sucked for a while.
A whole different thing is:
Being the first overall pick
Going to a team with the success this team has had for the last 12 years or so
Being the reason Peyton Manning was let go, remember, Peyton Manning some say, built your stadium and people seem to think he is like a hero for the community.
Playing before a crowd used to the level of success and play on the field they got from PM
I tell ya', the kid ASSUMMING PEYTON IS LET GO, will have like the weight of the earth over his shoulders, I hope things go differently, because if Meyton retires, or he sits ehind him then all that weight is reduced.