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My point with the Michael Vick thing is that if he was as good as you are hyping him to be, he shoudn't of had a issue taking Vick's job. Texan QB's can like whatever they want but the system often dictates what happens and I've watched a number of Texan games throughout the years and while they've thrown the deep ball here and there, they aren't like the Steelers and Colts spread you out and throw the ball down field with 4 WR's type of offense. Honestly, I think Irsay would of passed on Griffin. And even if he had not, he wouldn't of released Peyton. Griffin wouldn't of been the #1 pick and would of been fine sitting behind Peyton. Mark Sanchez proves my point in a way. Came in and had success early in his career but has leveled off since.
Yeah but you aren't able to plug and play it unless you are in a game situation. You can understand that this call goes with this blitz but unless you are in a game situation, its pointless.
But paying Griffin and Manning both would have been very, very questionable. You could argue that he could have done the same thing with Manning/Luck, but in reality, he did not. I wish we would have gone after Stephen Smith rather than Whitney Mercilus in the draft this year...If Andre had help like that, we would blow opponents up down the field consistently, especially with the play action we get having Foster in the backfield.
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A little higher than average is a fair assessment. When we first built this team when Manning got here, the offense was simple enough for the first couple of seasons that any QB could come in and have mid-level success if Manning were to get hurt. But as Manning continued to evolve and grow as a player over the years, he became so adept with the offense that it he literally was able to run it on his own without having to really rely on a offensive cooridnator. That's what allowed him to make the jump from a good/very good QB to one of the all-time greats. The consequence was what occurred last season. The backup QB gets very little to no reps in practice in a offense that relies almost entirely on the QB's ablity to read and decipher a defense and relay it back to the offense in its own unique language. You essentially put all your eggs in one basket with Peyton. We gambled and it worked for about 6-8 years. Last year it didn't.
I am sure that Painter learned the verbage that the offense was using, if not in meetings than in practice on the field. No, he may not have had reps, but that's what mental reps are for. The deciphering defenses part I do understand.
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Because Favre was a HOF QB who had been deeply entrenched in Green Bay for years. Michael Vick is not a HOF QB nor had he been there that long. It actually has a lot to do with it. The West Coast offense plays to the short passing game and the usage of bootlegs. It favors easy, cheap completions with the reciever doing most of the work in gaining yards after the catch. Griffin: Strong competitor yes but better than Luck or high enough skillset to warrant choosing over Peyton Manning, no. I meant that Irsay chose Luck (10-15 years) over Manning (3-5 years). I agree that Griffin could have more success early on (1-2 seasons) because of him walking into a better situation but a players greatness is not defined over 1 or 2 seasons.
Michael Vick's electric gameplay had fans drooling until he was busted for his dog fighting stunt. And 2001 to 2004 is more than long enough. And while you're right about the bootleg, Texans quarterbacks tend to like the long ball as opposed to short passes in the flat. Heck, the deep fade is probably Andre Johnson's favorite play. I agree that Luck is better than Griffin, but he is not as inept as some people seem to believe. If Irsay had kept Manning and lost him the same season, for career or otherwise, and not drafted Griffin, who would have been available at number two, the fan base would eat him alive. No, a player's success is not defined over 1-2 seasons, but it is a great head start if you play well in that time period, i.e. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and, until recently, Mark Sanchez.
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Oh but if Schaub is this amazing pro bowl QB you say he is, he surely could of beat out Michael Vick right? Or maybe its that Matt Schaub is actually an average QB playing in a passer friendly west coast offense with an elite WR and RB. Its pretty true actually. It was a nerve issue that Manning put on hold for a few seasons before finally having to have it taken care of over the past 2 seasons. Tony Dungy even acknowledges that Peyton Manning's neck issues could of stemmed from this play. Go back and watch it. I doubt it. As much as I like Griffin, he's not be regarded as the best QB prospect since Peyton nor is he on the same intelligence level as Luck. You really just embarassed yourself with the Griffin/Luck 2.0 comparison. They really aren't that close. Luck is the most pro-ready QB in years. It came down to Irsay choosing between the next 3-5 years or the next 10-15. He chose the 10-15 option.
Well, we see what Aaron Rodgers can do, and he is exceptional. He still did not start until Favre retired. Why?
The entire league is pass-friendly now, the West Coast offense aspect has nothing to do with it. And we actually excel in both rushing and passing- not typical of traditional West Coast offenses. And no, he was not regarded as the best quarterback prospect, but he was believed by many to be a strong competitor with Luck to be the number one overall pick. Intelligence will be learned as the years go on. And what did you mean by 3-5 years? I hope that you are referring to Manning and not Griffin, who is probably going to have much more success than Luck early on.
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He wasn't in the top pick discussion because Cam Newton was such a controversial figure as a potential top pick and effectively dominated the discussion simply because opinions on him varied wildly. There was even talk at one point about Gabbert potentially being the first QB taken. The consensus on Locker was pretty uniform in that he had all the right tools but was too raw and inexperienced to be a day one starter (hence why the Titans rented out Hasselbeck's services for the year). There were a number of teams that quietly had him graded out as being what he actually turned out to be (a top 10 pick and second QB off the board).
Really, Newton headlined a QB class that featured a ton of guys with both potential and major questions and Newton himself was far from being above that. He, like Locker, did not compare at all to prospects like Luck/Griffin or Rivers/Eli beyond the fact that hindsight would put him at that level.
No debate from me on Tebow, though. He's just a bad passer.
. Gabbert. I remember that. Hasselbeck is probably going to be the back-up this season, in my opinion. They need to let Locker play in order to see what he's got...And I'm not pushing the Tebow issue, but after all the criticism he has received, ironically he is the only quarterback from the 2010 Draft that has a playoff win under his belt...Just had to put that out there. 
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Sorry, but Sanchez got an EXTRA 20 million guaranteed. Tebow is on a 5 year 9.5 million dollar contract. There front office would not be questioned whether they paid that before or after bringing Tebow. Teams gladly pay 2 million a season to a backup QB.
The big difference between the Jets with Sanchez and the Texans with Kareem Jackson is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Sanchez ties up a lot of it, Kareem isn't in the ball park of a top corner at 5 years with 13.1 million.
The Jets are paying their guy as if he were Peyton Manning, when he clearly isn't. But that is simply because they believe he is a franchise guy, and they want him to know it. Kareem getting to stick around on his contract is a heckuva lot different than what we're discussing with Tebow and Sanchez. Long story short is Sanchez will take every start he is healthy for, unless the Jets decide to try to light a fire mid season. By that time, Rex and his GM may have to start updating their resumes, so it isn't likely that they pull the plug on Sanchez until they are well good and >>>ed for the season.
True, and once they begin updating their resumes, Sanchez will be run out of town lol. I think the NYJ fans love Rex more than they do Sanchez. And with the circus Tebow brings with him, they may end up loving him more than either Rex or Sanchez, which will be a very bad thing for the latter.
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I have a good feeling during that game I'm sadly going to hear "Revis with the interception"
Or worse...Cromartie with the interception. That would just be horrifying, the guy is trash.
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Ok, but will they be willing to lose 19M dollars in cap space... No.
Maybe they will free up some space and give you McCoy in return....
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Notice nobody talks about the Jags? Poor Jags. They swept the Colts but it did not bug me for some reason. It never happens......we better beat them this season though.
TN kind of confuses me. I am not too high on them but I won't overlook them. I guess I have to wait and see. I don't fear them by any means but they can be scrappy I guess.
Yeah you're right, and they won't be talked about until Blaine Jaggert improves and learns how to lead. Hopefully they have not damaged the kid beyond repair already...He was like a deer in headlights when he knew a sack was imminent. But no need to worry, Angerer and Fugger will take care of that hahaha. Tennessee could either suck really bad this year, or somehow go far into the playoffs. I guess we can just monitor them closely, who knows, they might make a move for Freeney.
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Bowers wasn't even starting...
Freeney will though!
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I was pretty high on the Texans for the first time last offseason because of the hiring of Wade. I did not think they would become so good so fast though on defense.
I suppose the AFC could very well be open for them if they play their cards right.
But, I would still like to see the Colts pass the Titans at least. ;)
(Looks down at hand) You got any sevens?
As long as Andrew develops right, they will be much better than the Titans. They are always a tad bit overrated sometimes, anyway. -
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Russell was not looked at as the next big thing, they talked so much about him because he was seen as the best QB in the draft that year. Everyone just liked his size and throwing power. With Luck theyve been saying he's the best QB prospect since Elway for a few years, they didn't just like his arm and size, they loved everything.
Don't compare Russell's and Luck's draft grades/ analysis/ hype , whatever you want to call it. It's just not accurate.
If he was being regarded as only the greatest quarterback in that draft, why then is he considered to be the biggest bust in NFL history? I mean, in some people's minds, back when Manning was not yet a Colt, Leaf was a better quarterback than Manning.
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How does it throw it out the window? Even as a starter for 5 in Houston, he still made it only once as a 3rd string alternate. If he was SOOOOO good, why couldn't he get the nod in Atlanta? Wrong. Manning's neck problem according to most came from one play against the Redskins in 06'. Look it up. And no, as much as people want to say we would of taken Griffin, I can almost gurantee that Irsay would of chose Manning over Griffin and have traded out of #2. Irsay wasn't going to give him the bonus because of Luck being in the picture.
I didn't know that you were Adam Schefter's main inside source. I didn't know that you were suddenly an NFL analyst, either. One little thing kept Schaub from starting...Michael Vick! Kind of like how Favre kept Rodgers from starting for a little while...And really? 5 years of a neck problem that stemmed from one play? If that's true then reality really is stranger than fiction. Luck may have influenced Irsay's decision a little bit, but he would have been influenced the same with Griffin, who is basically Luck 2.0.
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Agree. I mean to be honest, losing Peyton is really really odd. And it's even odder he is on the Broncos of all places.
I kinda saw it coming though. Irsay said he was going to take a QB.TBH, no matter what happens with Luck I think he seems like a great kid. Really nice, humble. Smart. I can't imagine hating on him right now. He seems so genuine.
As a person I think Luck is great.
Matt Schaub seems like a nice guy too. He needs to stay healthy though. I literally cringed when I saw what happened to him last season.
If you cringed I just about had a seizure. But it wasn't a surprise for us either..Our luck
was not very good this season. Hopefully yours will be though! and yeah I was a fan of Luck before he even popped up in the media this year. Guy is a competitor, no doubt a great person. Smart, yes, dorky, maybe, hahaha, but he is still a gamer. -
Like your fellow Texan fan buddy said, just because he's a starter, doesn't mean he's good. Not to mention he's been in the league for almost 9 years now and has made the Pro Bowl once as a 3rd stringer alternate. Oh yeah Schaub is a reallllllyyyy good QB. Down for the count? That's hilarious considering he never missed a game playing all those ferocious AFC south defenses and ate them up every year. What it came down to was that we had the #1 pick and couldn't pass on Luck. If we even had the #2 pick, I can almost bet we would of traded out and kept Manning and quite a number of people with actual knowledge on the subject would agree.
Schaub has only been a starter for five seasons. That kind of throws that petty argument out of the window. And Manning didn't hurt his neck surboarding, you know. It came from this division and all those nasty hits he took from Mario Williams and others. Plus, our defense was not really great until very recently, which, not coincidentally, is when Manning started declining. Actual knowledge or not, Manning was expecting a bonus, and Irsay was not going to give it to him. Robert Griffin could have very well been your quarterback, sir.
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The whole notion that 95% of Americans would all agree on anything is absurd, but I"ll do you one better, I'd say beyond a shadow of a doubt that 95% pecernt of Colts fans let alone Americans didnt watch all 16 games last year, so how would they possibly know better than I on the matter? Your mistaken, but no sweat, I expected as much.
Okay Professor, if you want to get specific, 95% of football-watching Americans. And with your logic, you're saying that only 5% of your fan base watched all 16 regular season games last season? Yeah right. You and Randal must both be on that green.
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Which is why I am not upset the same old same old is not going on. Of course, nothing is certain. Thing thing could suck. I just feel that the talent is there though.....just have to wait and see how soon it can develop, if it does.
Don't get me wrong, I have Houston winning the division. I don't think the Colts will be as lifeless and lost as last year though. They might be very competitive at times.
Even Texans fans know the Colts were showing signs of real decline for a while. It all came crashing down last year. If we had a real backup plan behind Manning we likely are in a very different situation right now.
The more the Colts lost last year the more I felt the whole thing should just be blown up and started over. Not everyone shared my views though.
yeah, imagine if you guys would have drafted Kyle Orton back in 2005. Things would be much, much different now...I think. Unless he demanded a trade for another team or something, but I'm sure there would have been great compensation. I get what you mean about blowing it up and starting over...heck, the Colts did it for the fans by spontaneously combusting. Now, hopefully, good things will rise from the ashes. People are scared of change, which is probably why not everyone agreed with you. Especially if change is losing Peyton Manning...I mean, he's Peyton Manning! Lol. -
Just a little. He is a run blocking smashmouth which what pagano wants to do and he was a pro bowl alternate so he couldn't be that bad at pass blocking
Run blocking smashmouth? Bring him in!
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Uh no. I never compared him to Manning. Heck, he does not even remind me of Peyton.
I actually don't have that vision. I hope this thing gets built right and is not just a one man show.
I was one of the ones here who was in favor of releasing him and starting over with Luck btw.
I think Irsay is too intelligent to allow that to happen again.
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I would be more worried about the D's in the AFC West. Manning has a history with a few of them.
True. But I'm thinking Irsay would have expected him to go to Miami, where he'd only be facing the Bills and the Patriots lowly defenses. (Before free agency and the draft, anyway)
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Wow......
Calling Manning a choker when your own QB is Matt Schaub. *smh*
And I smell some fear for Luck from you. You know how good he might be. It's amazing isn't it? The Colts might still have the best QB in the division for years.
Uhhhhh, no. The guy hasn't stepped on the field yet and you guys are crowning him to be the next Manning. Manning is a once-in-a-lifetime quarterback, and you guys released him. To assume that Luck will even reach his greatness is asinine. Everyone said that Jamarcus Russell was going to be the next big thing, and we see how that turned out. Bradford? Racked by injuries. Not dissimilar from Schaub, who is a diamond when he can stay healthy all season long.
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Let me correct a few things for you. Experience? What experience? He can't even stay healthy a full season and has 0 playoff xp. Oh that's right, he got some experience holding Michael vick's clipboard back in Atlanta lol. No its not, the MVP is actually something with some semblence of skill. Getting into the pro bowl because the other top 2-3 QB's in the conference decided not to play or hurt doesn't make you good. Meanwhile the MVP shows you are the best player in the LEAGUE. And actually, if Curtis Painter would of won a game, we would of been looking at Peyton Manning still being a Colt and owning the divsion till he retired. You should be happy.
Matt Schaub has been a starter in this league for several years now, inuries or not. There are 16 other quarterbacks in the AFC, and being number 3 isn't exactly a bad thing, dude. And you guys actually did Manning a favor...with the ferocity of the defenses in this division, he probably would have been down for the count. Mr. Irsay, contrary to popular belief, did not release Manning because of the Colts choosing first...it is because of the money, and the fact that Manning was not guaranteed to be the same. Poor Luck is just the scapegoat for something that would have happened with or without him.
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We won't be choosing first next year. Awful trolling job.......
I was saying that if you had not chosen Luck this year, or had even tried to win this past year. That is why I said 'chose' and not 'choose'.
. Gabbert. I remember that. Hasselbeck is probably going to be the back-up this season, in my opinion. They need to let Locker play in order to see what he's got...And I'm not pushing the Tebow issue, but after all the criticism he has received, ironically he is the only quarterback from the 2010 Draft that has a playoff win under his belt...Just had to put that out there. 
As long as Andrew develops right, they will be much better than the Titans. They are always a tad bit overrated sometimes, anyway.
Dose any one else have that feeling
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Peyton Manning was the coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, and the offense itself while he was on the football field. His injury this past season has made that even more clear. I still believe that Manning did have some impact last year- whether it worked as well as he expected it to, however, is up for debate. And is it fair to expect Luck to play better with an offensive unit that is not very good? With the line that the Colts have now, the guy will be running for his life, and his only relief will probably be Reggie Wayne, since no defense is going to bite on any play action this year. Is it possible that Luck will play even half as good as he could if he had gone to a team like Houston, for example? Yes. Of course. Is it likely? I don't know. You may be a different team this year, but I don't consider 4-12 dramatically different than 2-14. And this is coming from many predictions about your future record; Personally, I have the Colts being at least 5-11, 7-9 at best.