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Gimme Burrow or Love all day in the beginning the of the 2nd round, and get a Henry Ruggs, Tee Higgins, Lamb, or Jalen Reagor in the 1st to line up with Parris Campbell and let these guys grow together. Let's go.
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This trade makes too much sense. Exactly why it won't happen.
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2 minutes ago, bhougland said:
We may have to do it with Vinny if the bad kicking streak continues... I don't see Ballard doing this, but Minkah is a "Ballard" guy, so who knows. I have a feeling some other team will offer more than CB would.
Also, don't count out the Patriots. I know it sounds crazy since they have a good secondary but Saban LOVED Fitzpatrick, and I bet he puts in a good word with BB (pure conjecture on my part).
You think they send him to a rival within the division? To his old protege? My money is on the Seahawks.
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6 hours ago, Calmack said:
I've yet to hear anything about it being historic. Where are you getting that from?
https://withthefirstpick.com/2019/06/06/2020-nfl-draft-running-backs-travis-etienne-dandre-swift/
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-jerry-jeudy-leads-rare-receiver-class/
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6 hours ago, Calmack said:
I've yet to hear anything about it being historic. Where are you getting that from?
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/the-2020-wr-class-could-truly-be-historic
There's 3 I dug up pretty quickly, it's widely known that this class is the business. At least for guys in devy circles.
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6 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
holy cow I cant believe the disrespect I have read in this thread. some of you should be embarrassed.
It's a business before anything else.
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Why don't they just feature him in the passing game? It's not like he just can't catch, he caught 28 passes his last year at USF (65 total in 3 years) which is a good amount in college. I'd have to look, but it was something like an 11% target share...and he gets like 3% here? Makes no sense.
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5 hours ago, Calmack said:
Can't even compare college kids (no matter how good they look) to legit NFL top tier RBs...
You can if you're an NFL scout, in fact that's part of your job. Look at anything involving this class, it's widely considered historic. I didn't create this perception.
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I love Mack, but the 2020 RB class is loaded. It's probably better than the 17 class that produced Fournette, CMC, Dalvin Cook, Mixon, Kamara, Kareem Hunt, and James Conner. Seriously. D'Andre Swift, Etienne, Jonathan Taylor, Cam Akers, Kylin Hill, JK Dobbins, Eno Benjamin, Chuba Hubbard, Najee Harris...I mean it's insanely loaded. If we want a legit 3-down franchise guy like Saquon, Zeke, AK, then 2020 is the time to strike. Given the market value on RBs in the NFL at present time, we could land probably just about any of those guys with the Redskins 2nd or our 2nd, whichever ends up better. The WR class is stupid good too, gonna be a really strong year for skill position guys. Basically every mock I've seen has the Colts going WR in the first. And yeah, I know mocks aren't reliable yet.
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12 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:
His only weakness is he offers very little in the passing game. Not that it matters though. Guys like Kamara, CMC, Hunt, and Bell are the new wave in terms of versatile backs, but you pay RBs to keep the chain moving and control the time of possession. You wear a defense out by running the ball. Mack is a franchise back.
Mack needs someone strong behind him though who can contribute in the passing game. De’Andre Swift from Georgia would be great. If teams realize that Mack is the only Colts RB that can rush the ball effectively, they’ll start to shut him down.
You don't draft Swift in the 1st (I don't see any way he gets out of the first), or early 2nd, to sit behind Marlon Mack. He's widely considered the best RB in the 20 class, and that's saying something when you have guys like Etienne, Taylor, Akers, Eno, and Kylin Hill. That class is jacked, there's gonna be solid starter level guys available all throughout Day 2. It wouldn't be long and Swift would be the lead back, that dude reminds me of Tomlinson, he can do it all and is ridiculously strong and shifty.
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My mom and wife were watching the game Sunday with me, after it was over and the Chargers had won, they were both like "What? The Colts don't get a chance?" I mean, it doesn't make sense to anyone, it's archaic. Needless to say they aren't nuanced in the ways of NFL football, but even a bystander can see the ridiculousness in the current methodology. Both teams should get the ball, and if not then they need to find another method to determine who gets the ball first. Really? A coin flip? Might as well just flip for winner or have the the coaches gear up and joust at the 50 yard line. If you're gonna go barbaric, take it all the way.
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5 hours ago, bigt said:
It looks like the 2 premier UFA DT's next year are Michael Brockers and Ndamukong Suh. The 2 premier DE's are Derek Wolfe and Ezekiel Ansah. I guess Dante Fowler too. Probably don't want Suh, but I wouldn't mind any of the others even though they are a little older. Not sure if there are very many quality NT's in the draft this year that would fit Ballard's vision of a NT for this defense. I may be wrong so please fact check me
Auburn actually has 2 great interior DLineman that will have 1st round grades in 2020. Derrick Brown would've went in the Top 10 this year but went back to school, he's a lock for the Top 6-7 picks in 2020, his teammate Nick Coe is nasty too. Coe will probably be an early Day 2 pick.
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On 9/8/2019 at 6:19 PM, jvan1973 said:
The man has won us a lot of games as well. Today sucked, no question. But he isn't getting cut.
Why? This is a business man, they don't owe him anything. He's 197 years old, he should've made the decision so they didn't have to. The Patriots have it right, much better to cut ties a year early than a year late. They aren't just racking up SBs because of Tom and Bill, it's a ridiculously well ran organization.
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On 9/5/2019 at 3:47 PM, Steamboat_Shaun said:
Oof.
Yeah oof, another Patriots SB.
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3 hours ago, csmopar said:
First, what top 5 guy is available?
second, Brissett’s extension does not mean we won’t cut him in the future if his play isn’t on par, or if we are in the position to draft a franchise QB. If we can cut Peyton Manning, we can cut anyone
Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Lawrence, Fields, probably 2 or 3 that we don't even know exist yet from the collegiate landscape. I'm talking about not just sticking with a guy because he doesn't lose you games, and I preface that with idk if Brissett is that guy yet, but I assume he's slightly above average based on what I've seen. I'd rather draft a guy next year if Brissett doesn't look like he's gonna be that guy, and develop a guy with a high pedigree like Tua, Herbert, or if we give Brissett 2 years then Lawrence or Fields.
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Maybe I'm just spoiled after having Peyton then Luck, but is everyone okay with Brissett just being slightly above average? I think that's probably the most likely scenario. I wanna have another Top 5 guy, and if that's too lofty then I at bare minimum want a Top 10 guy. The good news is that Tua, Herbert, Fromm to a degree, Trevor Lawrence, Jacob Eason, and Justin Fields look to be great to elite QBs, and all coming in either 2020 or 2021. I don't think Ballard is the GM that is okay with an Andy Dalton type QB that at his absolute ceiling can get you into the playoffs as a Wild Card team only to lose in the first round every year.
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Just now, CR91 said:
Yea I wouldn't base Mocks at this time of the year. No one had Murray going first this time last year.
People keep saying that like the NFL is linear year over year. In the 2020 draft, Tua, Herbert, and Fromm are the top dogs unless they get injured. 2019 was just a weak year for the skill positions overall (outside of TE). The top skill players are about as established as you can get, Jeudy is the top WR, I already listed the QBs, and Swift, Etienne, and Taylor are the top RBs. It's just a great class, it's rumored to be generational. I follow it religiously because I write for a Fantasy Football Blog, so not just spouting nonsense like some people on here, I legit scout these guys.
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6 hours ago, CR91 said:
you can't give Hoyer more money then Brissett. Also what options do we have? We're not bad enough to be in the market for Tua, Fromm, or Hebert. Their going one, two, and three
One, two, and three? Lol not a chance. Tua looks like a lock to go 1, but most mocks have Herbert top 10, and Fromm back end of the first. They could easily end up Herbert or Fromm.
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They gave him 9 guaranteed, so the other 3 was incentivized?
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The point of this thread was to exercise a thought experiment, and probably a bad one in hindsight lol, but whatever.
I don't think you can really write Rosen off as a bust given the situations he's landed in. That system last year made David Johnson look like Robert Turbin, and we all know DJ is capable of extraordinary things. Who really knows what Rosen is? I know that a quarterback with that base talent level, inside this system, with these weapons, would be fun to see progress. The likelihood? Extremely low. The intrigue? Extremely high.
As far as Brissett, the same people that are saying he could potentially be the future of the franchise are the same ones saying we're F'ed without Luck. It's a fairly binary situation in my eyes, he's either good enough to get us back into SB contention or he isn't. No point in being middle class. I'm of the opinion that he's an ordinary QB, capable of ordinary results. I'd like to have another QB at the helm, however unlikely that may be at present. If Jacoby Brissett were an all-world option, capable of leading a team to glory...he wouldn't be a backup. And please don't hit me with the Kurt Warner stories, bcuz for every one of those there's 1000's of UDFA (or low draft cap) guys that end up getting day jobs because they can't hack it. Brissett was a 3rd rounder, and most of your rockstar NFL QBs come from the beginning of the first round, that's just the statistical certainty of it.
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12 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:
That logic is faulty. Brady was a 6th round pick...how did his ceiling end up? Try again.
C'mon man. That's like saying Arian Foster is the rule, not the exception, by being a standout RB as an UDFA. The percentage of players that are successful falls drastically as the draft capital lowers, as you'd expect it to. Players taken inside the Top 100 of the NFL Draft have around a 73% chance to return high end production at some point in their careers. The number for UDFAs is around 3%. Draft capital matters.
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43 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
What makes you think Rosen is better than Brissett?
Guys that are much more adept at evaluating quarterbacks than myself, I guess. They had him as a 1st round guy, and Brissett as a 3rd. There are intangibles I'd imagine they look at, but no I couldn't break out it down for you like they could. My thing was, give Rosen a shot, if he fails then go in another direction. Rosen hasn't ever played with the talent or coaching that currently resides in Indy.
49 minutes ago, Superman said:Ehh, I understand frustration, but I don't co-sign recklessness. I don't think Rosen's book has been written, he was in a terrible situation last year, but I wouldn't just throw him out there with no preparation. That's how you ruin a young QB.
And what's really reckless is trading away a significant draft asset to put a young QB in a bad situation, when the team should have their eye on doing everything they can to be in position to draft a new QB if they need to.
So I think the team's best option now is Brissett, and I think their best chances of drafting a franchise level guy involve keeping that WAS #2 in 2020.
Also, the comparison to Dalton doesn't work for me. Brissett hasn't had anywhere near the kind of opportunity that Dalton had early in his career. The last time Brissett started, it was for a bad coaching staff, with a team he didn't know. If he's bad this year, I'm fine with moving on. But I think he should be giving a chance before you assume he represents 'reveling in mediocrity.'
Lastly, Ballard's operation is not going to embrace mediocrity, at any level. Luck or not.
Why could Andrew Luck lift that team to playoff contention but Jacoby won 4 games? Luck is the guy to get you that SB title, Jacoby is not. That's why. Go big or go home, and no it's not a bad analogy to comp Jacoby to Dalton, whether you "co-sign" or not. Both guys are average, that's just the way it is. If you have an opportunity to get a guy that NFL Scouts thought was a great pro prospect in Josh Rosen, then you take that chance. Teams were willing to invest a high first round pick on him, but we can't give essentially a free 2nd rounder? It's thought processes like that that leave teams frozen in the middle of the pack. I do agree with you that Ballard won't stay in the mediocre zone. Most likely scenario is that Brissett has the only kind of season a guy of his caliber his capable of having: an average one. The Colts finish middle of the pack, trade up to acquire one of Herbert or Tua, or if lucky, Fromm falls to them in the 10-15 range of the draft. I don't think it's probable that Rosen ends up in Indy, it's actually damn near impossible. Like 98% of everything else everyone throws around on this site, it was a fictional scenario with a small chance to develop. You want some really outlandish takes, go into the Luck retirement thread, it's like the National Enquirer developed a fan forum.
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Just now, Chloe6124 said:
How do you know he will be mediocre. A lot of QB who we consider mediocre are bad because they don’t have a good team around them.
Again, I'm going with what is most likely to happen. Unlike many here, I don't live in dreamland. It's highly unlikely that Jacoby Brissett is the future of the Colts. It would actually be a worst case scenario for him to be "just good enough", because then we likely stick it out with him rather than finding a better option in a loaded 2020 QB class. Just don't wanna be stuck in mediocrity for 3-4 or 5 years.
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7 minutes ago, Superman said:
A) That's not giving him or Brissett a real chance to succeed. You're bailing on Brissett, and throwing Rosen to the wolves (again) without a solid foundation in the system.
B) If the Colts want to get into the top five of the 2020 draft for a QB, they either have to be awful in 2019 -- which I hope they're not, and I'm assuming they won't be -- or they'll need draft capital to get back into that top range. Your proposal requires trading away a significant draft asset that would be useful in a potential trade up in 2020.
I think the sensible and realistic course of action is to ride it out with Brissett. If he's not starting caliber through 2019, they'll consider other options going into 2020. For now, it's his team.
I get it man, and know that's the course they're taking, just don't understand it at times. Why teams settle for mediocre options, instead of taking actions to get where they ultimately wanna be: the SB. Teams revel in mediocrity for far longer than they should, because they just won't pull the plug on a mediocre option. The Bengals are a prime example with the Red Rifle.
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2020 NFL Draft Class
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You're thinking of Albert O from Mizzou, but there's several. It isn't as loaded as the 19 class, but there are some okay guys. Brycen Hopkins from Purdue is climbing draft boards, Calcaterra from Oklahoma, Brevin Jordan from Miami (my favorite), he's an Evan Engram type, would be a great playmaker in this offense.