TomDiggs

March 20, 2019

I am fine w a pass rusher or one of the top safeties with our first or early second rounder. So I put that caveat in.

I also lean heavily toward the trench building logic that taking a lineman on either side of the ball early if preferrable if there is one there that justifies the pick.

Allllll of that being said, am I the only one that does not understand the logic being made in some cases where folks say something like "There will not be a great pass rusher there at 26" or "There will not be a great pass rusher there at 34" and yet they then talk about the potential and the benefits/accolades of Turay? Everyone does remember that he was the 52nd pick right?

Point is that there could be a good pass rusher there at 26 or 34 easily. Just like there could be a good one there down in the 50s where we got Turay last year.

And none of this is to take anything away from Turay. He himself might end up being great as he develops and progresses.

Just identifying the flawed circular logic on the argument side for or against.

It is difficult to argue for Turay and his development while at the same time saying there is not a suitable rusher that will be available at a pick spot that was before we took Turay last year.

As long as we come out of this draft with some D-line help we should be good no matter when CB and staff identify the ROI being best.

March 20, 2019

6 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

I recently decided to buy some cheap tires. They are ok against a dry road but suck in wet weather. Now i'm not knocking the buyer, just knocking the tires.

Know what i mean? Or ?

Bahahaha this is awesome :-)

Though I will say this:

If I were buying cheap tires and then you said "why the heck are you buying those cheap tires. they suck. buy these instead"

I would feel like i had to defend myself and justify it.

And then if you kept attacking the tires and my decision it wouldn't feel like the tires being the issue anymore :-)

Good thing I don't buy cheap tires :-P

March 20, 2019

Btw, if it wasn't posted already, it looks like it will be just a one year deal

March 20, 2019

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You know who else is infatuated with Geathers? Some guy named Chris Ballard. Imagine that?!

And some people are willing to trust Chris Ballard’s judgement over the opinion of posters here. Imagine that?!

And some posters are more in love with their own opinion over the professional judgement of their own wildly successful General Manager. How shocking! (Sarcasm!)

There’s no infatuation here. I think CG is one of the most disrespected players in this forum.

But, on balance, most here trust Chris Ballard. If Ballard wants Geathers then that’s good enough for most posters. But apparently, not for you.

I do agree with ya here for sure.

That said, some of it is warranted.

The most important ability is availability.

And CG has missed what? 23 of 64 career games? Including missing 22 of 48 in the past 3 years?

If he is only on the field 55-65% of the time then he deserves some of the venom. Can't help us if you aren't even playing.

I am actually very happy we are bringing him back.

I would just like to add another versatile guy that can play both spots as a back-up.

Have CG, Hooker, Farley and a 4th guy. Odum might be that guy but I am not sure that he is. I would still love to hedge our bets by seeing if Berry would take a one year deal since he can man either spot and would give us an elite set of 3 S when healthy.

And heck, between Geathers and Berry we might get one year out a full-time player w the two of their availabilities combined :-P

Doesn't hurt to dream :-)

March 20, 2019

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

I saw that. Brad Wells is a troll, so I ignore everything having to do with him.

Agreed. I just thought it was funny and odd that two guys who probably have worked shoulder to shoulder often would go at it like that. Of course it was Wells starting it. Guy is a clown. lol

March 20, 2019

7 minutes ago, Superman said:

I think the question was when is Holder gonna break something himself, not just repeat someone else breaking something...

To this tune, am I the only one laughing at the tiff going on back and forth on twitter right now between Holder and Brad Wells?

I don't like Wells at all and he is the most pessimistic beat writer I have ever seen, but it is funny him coming at Holder right now lol

March 20, 2019

10 minutes ago, PeterBowman said:

hmmmmm maybe Ballard knows what he's doing lol

Concur.

I will say his strategy is very sound and works well for us.

It also is something that I think should make players happy. He is basically making an offer and if they think they can do better he is saying "hey we want you back but if you want to see what's out there, please do what's best for you and your family. go shop around and then come back to us. if it works and we can match then great. if not, at least you did what is best for you and no hard feelings."

I would love that of an employer.

It doesn't work for everyone (think R.Melvin who seemed angry and then allegedly took less to leave us), but for most people this would be a culture you would embrace and want to be a part of.

March 20, 2019

I think he has been a pretty reputable source so far

So take it for what it is worth.

March 20, 2019

Annnnnd just as I figured and stated earlier, Kraft refuses the deal and calls it a non-starter.

He will not admit to anything wrong. That is his way and the only way that he can try to save face and minimize or avoid any league punishment or tarnishing of his legacy.

Could have seen this coming from a mile away.

He has the money and will fight this until it is not worth the prosecution's time and resources and they drop it and he gets away with whatever he did.

Ugh

March 20, 2019

14 minutes ago, twfish said:

I'll go Kevin White as a comp

I saw it written somewhere and it really struck home, but the best comparison I have seen for Metcalf yet is David Boston.

Both were big, cut, physical specimens.

Boston did have a couple of great years before he fell off the face of the Earth.

I have a few concerns already w Metcalf.

Poor change of direction and separation skills start it off. His three cone validates what the tape shows there.

Also he already has that swagger/attitude that some people love and others hate. I personally hate it. I like the guys that come in and just go to work and keep their mouth shut. But some other people like guys that have an edge. It's all a matter of preference I suppose.

Metcalf had two quotes that made me cringe a tiny bit:

Asked what his greatest asset is, he said it’s hauling contested passes.

“I call them 99-1 balls [instead of 50-50],” Metcalf said. “The one percent that I’m not coming down with is maybe a bad ball by the quarterback.”

So right there he is already hypothetically blaming a QB for a ball he doesn't come down with lol

Then they even asked about the David Boston comparison:

Metcalf, who said he’s given up his favorite strawberry milkshakes for life and doesn’t plan on changing his workout habits, was essentially asked by reporters whether he’ll be the next David Boston – the No. 8-overall pick in 1999 whose career flamed out after five seasons.

“They compare me to other big receivers who have been unsuccessful, but they haven’t seen D.K. Metcalf,” Metcalf said.

So this raises a bit of a flag in that he hasn't even hit the league yet and instead of saying something like "I'm willing to do whatever it takers to be a success. Modify my workouts as the training staff sees fit", etc. he already says he doesn't plan to change his workout habits. And he did not address anything about the comparison and only said nobody has seen him yet.

This is definitely me reading into things too deeply. I realize that. I don't know, something about him just rubs me the wrong way. So far he is a big, fast, strong WR that is a one trick pony from what I can tell.

You know who else was a physical specimen who was made of granite and then got so big and strong that he basically couldn't play ball anymore? LaRon Landry. I hope we learned something from that lol.

All that being said, I don't even want Metcalf at all. There are a bunch of other WRs I'd rather have both talent-wise and value-wise.

So I definitely would not want to trade up for him and give up additional resources to get him.

But that is just my humble opinion that is worth nothing in the grand scheme of things :-)

March 20, 2019

16 minutes ago, CR91 said:

Very interesting that Reggie mentions Ty Williams as if we were "in" on Williams and then he didn't fall in where we wanted to pay him.

I wonder if we checked in on Williams first, he priced himself out of our range. We moved on and signed Funchess and then Williams' market never developed and he ended up taking basically close to what Funchess got with us in terms of his one year deal.

I say that only because Williams' contract (no matter what it is reported as) is clearly a 1 year $10M deal w essentially an option for the next year at $11M.

So Reggie's comment does make me wonder if we offered what we did and Williams wanted more and then in the end had to settle for essentially parameters we may have offered.

No way of knowing. For all we know we preferred Funchess. But found that note from Reggie interesting.

March 20, 2019

2 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:

Lynch has potential, but sort of an enigma to me. He was head case at ND before he left. Went to SF and had two decent years, then for whatever reason saw decreased play and performance in his final two years there. Chicago picked him up and he was a decent depth player.

Chicago paid him 3M last year. I'd have no problem paying that for one year if his head is on straight. At minimum he would be solid depth with a chance to do more.

I could be wrong and it is small differences, but didn't he make around $4M in Chicago last year?

I only ask because with him having visited the Raiders and Seahawks this week before us, I imagine he is either not happy with offers or trying to drum up interest and get the best contract or leverage he can.

As such, I imagine it would take at least what he made last year to get him to sign.

I would have no problem paying him what Shaq Barrett got in TB (and what he netted last year) to see what he's got. So around 1 year and $4M or so.

What I will be super curious about is if we do offer him a contract, what we see in Lynch (outside of talent and potential) that makes him a guy we want to add to the locker room and the "Colture".

The two big knocks on him I have seen were related to his PED suspension and then to his conditioning where he let himself get to 300lbs one off-season.

Either way, I'd be happy to have him and see what he can do. He definitely profiles as a guy that would likely be the strong side DE where Sheard is. So some depth there would be nice to have.

March 20, 2019

5 minutes ago, MTC said:

Now THIS is solid news and the type of signing I would expect of Ballard.

A 26 yr old above average edge player who hopefully will come in at a solid contract value and still has upside to outplay what he signs for.

Would be a nice signing and smart to bring him in for a visit and kick the tires

March 20, 2019

43 minutes ago, Bluefire4 said:

I don't know. Nate Solder was 29 and got 15 million dollars per year. I could see some team giving Castonzo a 3 year deal worth 45-50 million next year even at 32 years old.

I hope you're right though.

100% agree with this.

If Andrew Whitworth can get a 3 year $33.5M deal at age 35 two years ago, then 3 years and $40M-$45M is probably the lower end of what AC can command if he wants to field offers.

Donovan Smith is much younger at 25 and just got 3 years and $41.25M.

If you take that deal as the baseline then you can argue AC should come in around 3 years and $36M or so at around $12M a year w some slight depression due to his advanced age compared to Smith.

If you look at the top of the market being around $16.5M with Trent Brown and you average that $16.5M salary with that $12M salary, you'd come in around $14.25M a year. Over 3 years that would be $42.75M.

The key is does AC hit the market. If he is re-signed early then I'd expect him closer to Smith's $13M-$14M a year (which Smith extended/signed without ever hitting the market).

If he hits the market, he will cash in around the $15M-$16.5M that guys like Solder and Brown got.

In my opinion, if Ballard lets him hit FA to set his market because they can't come to common ground before free agency begins, then AC is as good as gone. If Ballard extends him before he hits the market, we will get a solid deal/value on him for probably another 3 years or so.

March 19, 2019

12 minutes ago, Nadine said:

Seems like a pretty good deal

Sounds like a deal that'd let him to move on quickly and brush it under the rug without facing charges.

Also sounds like the kind of thing Kraft will reject as he will say hes not guilty of anything and doesn't want the public perception or the league's penalty for admitting he would have been guilty.

I could totally see him declining this deal and fighting it and saying "if they're willing to not prosecute it's because they know they can't convict. screw this, I'm fighting it". lol

March 19, 2019

2 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Solid move for Dallas if they can do it. Quinn still has some juice left.

Dallas is trying to make moves lately despite their limited cap.

Geathers, Cobb, Berry and now Quinn all brought in for visits and consideration. Good on them if any of them result in anything.

March 18, 2019

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

you're assuming that the player brought in met our specs. To which you, nor any one outside of the Colts org, knows that

Agreed

Which means you definitely did not even read the part of my statement above where i clearly stated "and no guarantee we truly wanted some of these guys that left and went elsewhere"

lol

March 18, 2019

3 minutes ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

Missing the Grigson days already?

Only from the closing aspect yes lol

If we still closed like back in those days then I would be fully content.

Still prefer it as it is now lol

And no guarantee we truly wanted some of these guys that left and went elsewhere. But still

March 18, 2019

Another source on Brice.

I did not necessarily want him, but another visitor that left and signed elsewhere. Hopefully we decided we did not want him.

March 18, 2019

7 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

I say he gets 3 years $22 mil.

If so, I would be happy to let him walk sadly. I am not saying your numbers are off. That seems somewhat reaonable when you consider that Tashaun Gipson got 3 years and $22.5M.

But, if Clinton-Dix is only getting a 1 year $3.5M deal then there is no way I pay Geathers double that and for 3 full years when he is yet to play even one full season and where he has played only 26 of 48 games over the past 3 seasons.

That is brutal.

Factor in that Adrian Phillips only got 1 year as well, and I would not be doing anything more than a 1 year prove it deal unless it was actually below market value.

Something like 2-3 years and $8M-$12M.

I am very curious to see how the safety market shakes out and if we bring in a vet or just roll with Farley and draft a S.

March 18, 2019

1 minute ago, richard pallo said:

You're right it's not a good look. It's out there and players see it too. I wonder if stories like this coupled with Ballard's own admission of putting a value on a player and that's pretty much it might cause players to think twice about coming in for a visit. That's not the kind of treatment I was expecting to hear about coming from the Colts.

Agreed for sure.

I try to take this all with a grain of salt because it is a guy in Boston who was * last year that he was on the market for so long and that safeties were getting disrespected price-wise.

And the Colts surely saw the depressed market and tried to buy low and he took offense.

The lack of meeting with top brass is extremely odd unless he was brought in only to kick the tires with no actual interest in signing him. Even so it is odd. And does not seem to meet our narrative, so who knows.

The tides have turned now. The safety market blew up and safeties want to cash in on that.

The sad part is that now that the fiasco is done, the safety money might come back down to Earth and dry up again. If so, players will get the same kind of "low ball" offers from the Colts and see what the market "was" just a few days ago and be ticked off again.

It is what it is lol.

March 18, 2019

6 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

That sounds like a crazy story. It’s hard to picture the colts doing that. I hope they treat players that they really want better then that.

It almost sounds like the opposite of what I would expect of us.

But I believe Boston reported this to Josina Anderson last year if I am not mistaken. So it did not come from some random nonsense source but from someone who is a respected source and who heard it right from the player (allegedly).

Either way it was not a good look.

I will say this much, we haven't seen much in the way of player visits in the past couple years to judge our new regime.

I hated Grigson and was not a big Pagano fan, but I will say this much....they were closers. If someone got in the building with them it was rare for us to not sign them.

The only guys (off the top of my head) that I can remember in recent memory coming in and not signing were Boston, Vaccaro and Jensen last year. So it is not a true reflection yet on this regime. But that is one change that has been different compared to the prior regime.

March 18, 2019

33 minutes ago, csmopar said:

refresh my memory, what'd we do to him again?

I covered this in another thread but we started out by not having anyone of importance meet with him. No HC. No DC. No GM.

Then we low-balled him contract wise.

He said his visit basically included him touring the facilities, having lunch and playing basketball.

Then he went to AZ and they rolled out the red carpet and made him feel welcome and wanted.

Bear in mind that we brought him in around the exact same time as Vaccaro last year too. So he might have been leverage or they may have been leverage for each other and we ended up with neither.

Either way I doubt he would come back here unless we were offering him a solid deal. Which I doubt at this stage.

Eric Berry can play either S spot and would be great, but he has similar or worse health concerns compared to Geathers and he will cost a decent amount more.

I wouldn't mind looking at Jahleel Addae or Glover Quin if we were willing to go older and short term.

That all said, Farley played decently back in 2017 when he started and I could easily see us rolling with him and just adding depth and not a starting caliber guy if Geathers walks.

March 18, 2019

20 minutes ago, Legend of Luck said:

Dont forget, if he lets Jacoby leave in FA next year to be a starter somewhere else, he will get a 3rd round compensatory pick in return due to the size of the contract. So Ballard will get SOMETHING regardless of how he plays this out.

I just caution everyone on this. All of our people on this board and the media keep preaching the comp pick for JB next year. But here’s the thing, that pick is not for 2020. It’s for 2021. And we don’t get that pick at all if we pay any outside free agent any significant contract that offsets the comp pick formula.

So basically if we as dans want some outside help next year and out locker room is ready to add that piece on a big FA contract, it would ultimately offset JB’s deal elsewhere and we’d likely get no comp pick for him.

A comp pick for him is not guaranteed unless we let him walk and we are inactive ourselves on any top tier talent. So take it w a grain of salt. If people are banking on the comp pick then those same people must be banking on our inactivity next off season as well and this shouldn’t be complaining if we sit on our money again.

This is why id be all for trading JB now. A pick in 2020 is worth one round less (typically) than 2019. So a pick in 2021 is worth two rounds less than 2019. Even if we got a 3rd in 2021 that’s equal to a 5th this year.

That means if we can get anything better than a 5-6th this year then we should take it.

Againits just semantics but it should be said and thought of.

March 17, 2019

15 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

What about any standout OFFENSIVE players from the AAF or Offensive players in Free Agency?

I imagine the trouble is that offensively there is not much out there better than what we have.

We are already kicking the tires on Ajayi who is the best remaining back out there.

I wish we would go after another WR. Doubt we plan to. If we did there are some older guys who could be nice on 1 year deals. Guys out there like Crabtree, Dez Bryant, Cobb, Inman could all take up a roster spot over some of the bottom of the order WRs we have if we truly wanted the best guy available out on the field. I think we will develop our young guys more and that will limit that.

TE is picked clean other than Jared Cook who is older and we don't need and ASJ who has underachieved his whole career essentially.

OL-wise we are fairly set but all of the backup talent is older unless you take a flier on a guy like George Fant as a swing tackle. But I am not sure he is much better than our backups we currently have anyhow.

I think offensively if we do anything it'll be to try to get Ajayi on a reasonable deal and maybe kick the tires on another WR (though that is unlikely).

I am much more interested in some of the defensive line talent still out there that is young and has upside:

T.Jernigan (26)

D.Philon (25)

M.Wilkerson (29- older and coming off injury but used to be a game-wrecker)

S.Ray (26)

A.Lynch (26)

I still hope we make a handful of moves to strengthen our depth and add competition for starting spots before all is said and done.

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