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Interesting perspective. I may agree with the PRO distinction. High school football was definitely on the rise before Uncle Bill. Maybe he helped get it to where it is now? I also see more fervor the small college game in Indiana (latest example being Marian University, Franklin College...). Mixed emotions on class basketball. Doubt there could ever be another Milan Injuns' story but it'd be fun. I could see perhaps two classes of basketball (1-3 being 1 and 4-5 being 2).
i know in hamilton county football was king from about 1976 on. in 1980, carmel and sheridan both won state championships. in fact football got so important that the hoodlums were even threatening to go do bodily harm to the other schools players....everyone even the hoods on smokers corner were showing school spirit.
what got it going bigtime was the colts coming in town-- because the championship game was then played in the hoosier dome. the experience of playing on a pro field, was MAGIC. every kid dreamed of playing in the pros, and it was that much more real to play in the dome. having 3, 4 or 5 classes just meant 3, 4 or 5 times more kids got to live that dream. all the suburb schools went to big fancy stadiums......
i have no opinion on class basketball. with teams like park tudor has this season, i could see how size does not seem to matter, but then you get to high school recruiting issues.
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I doubt Morningweg will be the Colts head coach, there are many other possibilities out there for him to choose. I am more worried that Painter stays cause he is a Purdue guy
nah, painter tossing the ball to the other team at the worst time in the game and overthrowing everyone started way before he ever got drafted. purdue guys would have rather had a ham sandwich for a qb than painter-- believe me .
it almost seemed like for all the fun that brees gave us, painter was the fates paying us back.
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Bill Polian made Indiana a football state. We're also a basketball state. Indiana is an awesome sports' state, period. Whitlock hates the Colts, hate white people, and generally hates Indiana.
polian made us a PRO football state.. i dont know about you but schoolboy football was way bigger than basketball. the basketball thing was huge in the 50's . we had big crowds for football, and it was king from the 80's on.
sometimes i wonder about all the yelling about class basketball. having been to a school with state championships in class football, it was pretty obvious that the class system helped the fanbases, not hurt them.
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It makes sense because he is Jeff George's friend.
jeff george has friends?
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i think he has 'polis envy.
no one from indy ever called it naptown. where is he now kansas city? if you make a lets just say lateral move from one midwest town to another, you have to badmouth the old place like the new one is actually better.
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People need to get the thought of trading with the Browns in order to take RG3 with the 4th pick out of their heads. Say the Colts do make that trade with their eye on RG3. Luck will go # 1 and that leaves several QB-needy teams with the opportunity to draft RG3 at either # 2 or # 3. And then the Colts are left with nothing.
nothing? the pick evaporates if we dont get RGIII??
IFF the colts keep manning and make a three year run at a legacy with him, then a qb is not the best way to go. counter intuitive but that bama RB would be the best quick option for a win now scenario as far as offense-- a receiver takes too long to learn the system. a stud back would be biggest bang for the buck.
or maybe a corner...
the forum is about speculation, not telling anyone to get thoughts out of their heads.
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As for Mathis, who knows whats gonna happen with the new GM... here's a link about him and possibly being a charger... below youll find his tweet about possibly being a charger.
i HATE the bolts eyeballing our guys!!
mathis was the colts mvp in my book this year.
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Come on guys this is a no brainer....
Cut:
Collins
Painter
They did nothing this year.. I am still question why we picked Collins up in the first place. Ray Charles could see that he was washed up before the season started. If/when we pick up Luck there is no need to have Painter on the roster. He is the perfect water boy for the sideline. As far as Freeney again another no brainer... HE STAYS PUT!!! He has a good 5 years left in the game, trading him will hurt our already struggling defense.
Clark... well he's a toss up.. we can always find a younger cheaper threat... :-)
i think we got collins because polian knew painter was....well painter. he broke my heart countless times tossing the ball to the opposition while at purdue.
i read somewhere that collins made some sort of a deal when he had 'concussion like symptoms' and gave back some money..... no idea if its true or not.
also have read and heard something about clark having lost a step. THATS the key with him-- if he aint got the speed, he goes.
the problem with freeney is 19 million dollars on the contract. none of us want to lose him, but if you have a 120 mill pie, how many 19 mill guys can you have without hurting the team? in the salary cap era you live and die with the draft and first contracts. this would be his what third? dont know if we can afford him.
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How sure are we that Mathis can do what he can do without Freeney? When Freeney has gone down in the past our pass rush has been non existant. I do not know how quick I would be to shell out top DE money to Mathis. We have all seen what this pass rush is without Freeney and we have seen Freeney keep it up if Mathis is not there. 19 million to a primier pass rusher is a ton of money, but I rather go with the known than the unknown.
JA will probably get the ax especially with DB finally showing us something. Then again how can we trust DB to carry the load next season. The guy has been horribly inconsistent his entire career here. He could just as easily return to the old DB who get hits once and just falls down and has no burst or drive
i am not happy with a carter/brown backfield, so i think we get another back in the draft.
as far as cutting freeney, i HATE the idea. i want mathis back too. but with the cap, you lose guys every year.
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every year some players under contract get cut for cap reasons. these guys are not free agents, but probably should be on the list of 'endangered' colts.
feel free to add or critique this list. and if anyone has the actual cap savings from cutting them add that too!
joe addai. he has a 5 mill salary this year, and i just dont see us keeping him. he does 'fit the system' but gets hurt a lot.
dwight freeney. huge salary this season. i dont see how we keep him, he is in the last year of his contract, and is due 19 million, the cut saves 14 million.
i think we have no way of keeping both freeney and mathis. mathis played his butt off this year and freeney has went to the bank before-- one stays and i vote mathis.
cutting manning saves 6.6 mill. not saying we cut him, but if he isnt healed.......
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elenor grigsby......
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smitto, tamme is cheap, and plays special teams. i dont think he is a starter, but you need cheap backups that can play!
saturday is a tough one, he is popular, which makes no diff in this sport, but i dont know about pollack. if he folds at center like he does at guard, whoever the QB is is gonna have treadmarks all over him. my hope would be that we could get him for one more year, if the price is right, for depth at least.
then again, maybe thats a draft position, whats his name konz?
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i think i will remember that irsay has a pretty good track record on his choices.
welcome the new guy and hope for the best!
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how about the bama corner? dont they have the second best cb prospect?
i did not get to watch the game-- any scouting reports from those who did?
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did you by chance watch jerry richardson when he was on charlie rose? (i think thats the carolina owner, right?).
he actually told charlie that he told can newton that 1) he expects him to NOT GET ANY TATTOOS WHILE UNDER CONTRACT, AND 2) HE BEST KEEP HIS HAIR SHORT, NO LONG HAIR. all that in an interview beofre making him the top pick...
dont get me wrong, i dont have any tattoos, and run close to the joe lifer length myself, but to tell a guy that those are conditions to pick him?
if thats defensible, then commentary using the 's' word is too. none of that is performance related, or given the prevalence of long hair and ink even on his own team and seems a bit 'massa' given the location of the franchise.
i will give jerry credit as an actual owner that played though.
as far as 'other options' and the draft-- there should be a balance between an individuals right to work where they please and the leagues right to competitive balance. if say eli does not want a west coast gig-- he has every right to do whatever he can to avoid it. if a team drafts him anyway, the rules are pretty clear what his options are....
so, a guy should be able to posture pre-draft to get a better personal option JUST LIKE BOTH ELI AND ELWAY DID.
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The national media does not care about Jacksonville.
If Peyton Manning went to NYC there would be a 'Manning channell' on ESPN
peyton does not care about the national media!!
he is not an west nor east coast boy, he is a southern boy. note his choice of college, and his lobbying to play for indy.
i did have to do some keyboard cleaning after the toe remark though......and cola through the nose burns.
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If you allow the players to dictate where they play, before they are even drafted, then how does that help the teams that need it most (ie the teams who lose the most games in that given season)?
Also, everyone needs to just STOP with the "slave owner" crap! The last i checked, these football players (and all professional athletes, for the most part) are multi millionaires...they are NOT slaves and not even close.
Anyone who tries to start that argument doesnt have a clue, period!
they dont seem to have much control over where they go. they dont have a contract thats worth much at all, just what is guaranteed them.
there is a legit legal argument against the draft and league having too much power-- anti-trust stuff.
the point of view that these guys have limits placed on them above and beyond what is in THEIR best interests is pretty cut and dried.
as far as slave owner, the point i was making is that they are team owners, not player owners.
if you dont like reading my posts, feel free to follow your own advice no one is forcing you to read it.
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also on the "slave owner" crap...if they dont want to play for the team that has the right to draft them, or the team that they signed a contract with, then quit and go get a real job. They are all LUCKY to be paid millions of dollars to PLAY a GAME for their "job". If they dont like the situation, no one is forcing them to play professional sports.
ooohkay. again, if it was not 'they', but 'you'-- the tune would be different.
yes they are lucky, but why should they be completely passive in THEIR OWN FUTURE???
lets look at elway-- why SHOULD he have been forced to come play for the elder irsay? according to folks like you, he should just be happy to take what is handed to him. here in the real world, rather than that, he had other options, like baseball. seems to me it worked out pretty good for him and denver.....and until we got new ownership we were close to the worse place a player could go (cincy being the bottom).
eli manning-- did not want to play for the chargers. he had options, and it worked out, didnt it?
i support the drat as a leveler for teams over the long haul, but the should be some balance-- if a guy feels strong enough about not going somewhere, he should have some ability to alter HIS not your destiny.
your 'dont like it, dont play' is just lame. ideology has made your worldview too rigid.
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The highlighted part is clearly true because Polian was always giving out his draft strategy in January. Really nice guy that way - let the entire league in on his thinking.
Sarcasm off.
bill always was crystal clear in telegraphing the draft....
but by the same thinking NONE of what he said would be much more than a smokescreen.
all we are doing is speculating about a third option, which is sliding down, still getting a cant miss, and maxing out some pix.
that IS what this forum is for, right?
sarcasm uncalled for.
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Trading the #1 pick and drafting RGIII is an attractive idea, but I don't think it's logistically feasible. There are at least four teams that desperately need a good QB (Cleveland, Miami, Seattle, Washington), and they will probably all try to move up into the top three picks to get either Luck or RGIII. The Rams and Vikings don't need another QB and would trade the #2 or #3 pick in a heartbeat if the offer was lucrative enough. Even if the Colts trade down into Cleveland's #4 pick, both Luck and RGIII will be gone by the 3rd pick. The Colts could use the #4 pick to nab Kalil or Blackmon or trade down again and get a lesser-rated QB later the draft.
that is a definite risk-- a trade down might lose both. i dont see how miami or seattle move up though, too rich a price to get up there. with the OU and USC QB staying in school, they might have to go with either orton/flynn in free agency or wait till next year.
the price for our #1 is most likely higher than a #4 and #23 given the demand....
lets say we got clevelands top two and next years first....and someone moved up after that and got RGIII.
personally i think i would go with that bama RB with #4 over and let addai go. he was also one of the cant miss guys, fills a hole and should play immediately-- which i dont think a receiver can do in the colts offense. that would be a decent way to 'reload' for mannings last 3 years.
we should have an improved line in front of him-- the left side got some decent experience this season without killing him, a cant miss back to shore up the run and more pix....
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They really didnt play all that amazing. The Lions gave away the game after the Saints had a two score lead. It was at home too!
49ers can pull it but i cant see Alex Smith scoring too much. Its gonna be all up to Frank Gore this game...
i think they did play amazing, or at leat the offense did.....and the refs took the lions out.
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hmmm.
perhaps you would think differently as an actual player and not just a casual fan. 'owner' means team owner, not slave owner.
there should be a balance between a players want to play or not play somewhere and the competitive balance of the league.
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lame reading all the french hate on here. italian armies have the inept rep on the field not the french.
the symbol is called the fleur de lis,
it means 'flower of louis' more or less.
louisville and st louis, terre haute, lafayette, detroit all have names from the french, as thats pretty much who the first white guys were in this area.
what, you think all they did was make french fries?
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This is the worst case
mid-night horror show...scenario PAP..to see the NY Jets come in to Indy with Manning who would 'make it rain' TDs
....in front of a capacity Indy crowd that would be cheering for NY..
The ultimate nightmare
uh.....not quite. manning on the titans twice a year would be worse!!
i dont see him in new yawk city with eli there already.
how about baltimore?
mid-night horror show...scenario PAP..
Please Tell Me Everyone In Indiana Doesnt Feel Like Whitlock
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yeah, a pundit verses a reporter. him and kravitz make their bones by the amount of dust they raise, not by reporting on the teams.