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Remember that you said that when Wayne breaks down again and the Colts have no number one receiver. Decker will be a number one for someone.
OK, I will remember - my memory is as sharp as a tack - YOU friggin remember when Reggie becomes the Adrian Peterson of wide receivers, and runs up REGGIE numbers - shrugging off the ACL like a bad suit my friend....
ColtsHappy
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Hmmmmm, not a Pro Bowl corner but certainly wants Pro Bowl money.....
I can understand the hesitation for sure....
ColtsHappy
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The over-infatuation with skill players every off-season is exactly why we've struggled to field a truly dominant team in the trenches all these years. It's really stupid; we don't even need a receiver right now, just like we didn't really need to waste a 1st on a RB. It all starts upfront when it comes to winning football games. Losing franchises waste money on the shiny toys in the off-season, while the winning ones stock up on picks and build up dominant lines, with the occasional key free agency pick up every now and then.
Not to mention, the last big time free agent receiver to actually live up to the investment was?......
Absolutely....
I like, I like.....
To restate - Decker is a #2, and if his price tag was that of a #2 it would be a different matter. Let one of our competitors OVERPAY for him....
ColtsHappy
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Decker had 11 TDs and 1,288 yards in 2013.
Wayne had 503 yards and 2 TDs in 2013.
Not sure if we are living in the same universe . . .
I happen to love the universe I live in - and the TRUTH is the truth is the truth.
Decker is a #2 receiver, we don't need him.
ColtsHappy
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Who on the Colts has had better numbers than Decker recently?
Not the point. He is CLEARLY a #2 receiver. Heard it everywhere, including the folks I respect on the Sirius NFL network. We don't need another #2. For what it is worth (I know, I know, very little) the majority of the commentators on Sirius NFL think Decker is not a great idea for the Colts either.
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A #2 receiver that wants #1 money.
ABSOLUTELY, perfectly stated. He isn't even CLOSE to a #1.
ColtsHappy
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"TY gets it. Of course, he is not yet where he will eventually be, as a top receiver in this league. Not even arguable that he smoked one of the top corners in the league (Sherman) for a touchdown and maybe two."
It was Thomas and Browner Hilton beat on those 2 TD's
Perhaps you never saw this in the IndyStar - if this doesn't copy in well, here is the link: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/01/20/indianapolis-colts-richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-ty-hilton-super-bowl/4659477/
Revisiting TY Hilton vs. 'best CB in the game'Matt Overton, the Colts' Pro Bowl longsnapper, appears to have deleted the tweet. But it was noticed soon after the much-discussed postgame interview of Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman, who's headed to the Super Bowl after the Seahawks defeated San Francisco in the NFC title game Sunday.
Sherman declared himself the "best corner in the game," shouting into the microphone, and described San Francisco receiver Michael Crabtree as "sorry." This came after Sherman's spectacular play to deflect what could have been a game-winning pass to Crabtree. It was intercepted by Malcolm Smith.
Sherman mockingly patted Crabtree on the rear after the play and gave him the choke sign. Crabtree responded by shoving Sherman in the head.
OVERTON TWEET
The Colts won the Oct. 6 game, 34-28. Hilton had five receptions for 140 yards and two touchdowns.
Sherman did not defend Hilton on three of his five receptions, including a third-quarter touchdown. Here's a look at three plays where he did get the better of Sherman.
FIRST TOUCHDOWN
Hilton's first touchdown came in the first quarter, a 73-yard reception from quarterback Andrew Luck. Sherman and safety Kam Chancellor appeared confused about their responsibilities on the play. Sherman had underneath coverage on the play, expecting the safety to move over. But Sherman also stopped pursing Hilton when it looked as if as going to go out of bounds.
Colts wide receiver T.Y. Hilton beat Seattle's secondary, including cornerback Richard Sherman, for a 73-yard touchdown reception.(Photo: Matt Detrich / The Star)
PASS INTERFERENCE
Early in the fourth quarter, Sherman was called for pass interference on a third-and-10 play from the Colts' 25-yard line. The screen grab below shows Sherman's arm around him.
Richard Sherman's pass interference penalty against T.Y. Hilton of the Colts.(Photo: Fox)
FOURTH-QUARTER RECEPTION
Five plays after the pass interference penalty, Hilton had a 12-yard reception. Hilton and Sherman are at the top of the first photo, at the 34-yard line.
T.Y. Hilton and Richard Sherman at top of picture on 34-yard line.(Photo: Fox)
Hilton gets separation.
Hilton gets away from Sherman at top of photo at 33-yard line.(Photo: Fox)
The ball's thrown behind him, but he makes the catch.
The ball is thrown behind Hilton but he makes catch.(Photo: Fox)
After the game, Hilton said he took offense at a remark about his size by Seattle cornerback Brandon Browner, according to USA Today. Hilton said Sherman didn't talk to him.
"Richard Sherman? He wouldn't even look me in the eye," Hilton said. "Not at all. The whole time."
And another:
Richard Sherman is an outstanding corner. Perhaps the best in football.
He's a tough, smart, incredibly gifted player who, when he came out of Stanford in 2011, wasn't well-regarded as a prospect because of a slow 40-yard dash time. Seattle took him in the 5th round of the 2011 NFL Draft, two spots below where the Colts would have drafted in that round had then-GM Chris Polian not traded that pick to move up in the second round to draft Villanova tackle Ben Ijalana.
This move is one of many reasons why Chris Polian was sent packing in 2011. He now works for the 0-5 Jaguars.
Anyway, Sherman is awesome. I honestly cannot say enough good things about his game. Watch the tape of what he did to San Francisco's Anquan Boldin in Week 2, and you'll get what I'm saying.
That said, on Sunday, Richard Sherman (a.k.a., best corner in football) was completelydominated by Colts wide receivers T.Y. Hilton and Reggie Wayne. In fact, the domination was so thorough, it was near-embarrassing for Sherman.
To use a basketball analogy, the 5'9 Hilton dunked on the 6'3 Sherman, and, in the process, stuffed his nutz in Sherman's face.
Here's Associated Press' Michael Marot providing a breakdown of two of Sherman's many goofs on Sunday:
Hilton's 73-yard score came on a blown coverage on Sherman's side of the field, and he was called for pass interference on a crucial third-down play early in the fourth quarter. That 16-yard penalty allowed Luck to continue moving the ball and resulted in 6-minute, 40-second drive that ended with Brown's go-ahead scoring run.Both Hilton and Wayne combined for 11 catches for 205 yards and two touchdowns, averaging 18.6 yards-a-catch. Hilton himself averaged a stunning 28 yards-per-catch!
This was against, arguably, the best secondary in football. You could tell Hilton and the wideouts had gotten under Sherman's skin when, after Hilton's amazing 73-yard TD catch and run, Sherman was seen frustrated with teammate Earl Thomas, who took a bad angle to in an attempt to tackle Hilton after the second-year receiver had scorched Sherman. Following Hilton's first touchdown, both players were seen on the sidelines, completely befuddled as to how they'd been beaten so embarrassingly.
Andrew Luck and the Colts continued to go after Sherman the rest of the Seahawks corners in the second half, a tactic many would have viewed as INSANE if not for the fact that it worked! Sherman seemed shell-shocked after that first Hilton touchdown, and instead of getting back to playing coverage, he resorted to grabbing and holding the rest of the game, which he was eventually flagged for on that critical third-down.
That's not to say that the Colts receivers weren't guilty themselves of some illegal pushing and shoving. On the Colts two-point conversion following Donald Brown's touchdown run to get the lead back, Reggie Wayne pushed off on Richard Sherman and snatched Luck's across-the-body throw.
Wasn't mindful of the specifics, just know he kicked serious butt on Sherman, as agreed above. Yes, TY is well on his way to being as good as Marvin - but for some reason many of you seem really resistant to the idea that ANYBODY could be as good as Marvin. Go figure. As fans I would think you would be pretty happy about it.ColtsHappy -
TY is nowhere close to Marvin.
No, actually he has passed him in all but two categories for their first two years, apples to apples, but oh yeah.....
Marvin had an additional game so it really isn't fair to TY.
Do you remember Marvin then?
Not quite as spectacular as he was later on, but pretty darn good and TY is keeping up just fine.....
ColtsHappy
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PS Shall we go back and embarrass the naysayer posters who condemned me WAY BACK for even suggesting that TY might be our next Marvin Harrison?
I think it might be a lot of tun....
ColtsHappy
Oh my god, look out.....
Here they come!
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Yup. I mentioned Brazill also. He's a failed drug test away from being suspended for 8 games. And like you said, a marginal talent at WR.
But according to some posters, he's our second Marvin Harrison.
Can I get a "Dear god," sir?
Yes, "Dear God, sir", you are absolutely mistaken.
So glad this is written in stone so I can have my chuckles when we refer back to it later.
And OH YES, we will refer back to it!
ColtsHappy
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Those who listen to those who know - realize that receiver takes the most adjustment of ANY position in the NFL coming out of college. It is just common knowledge. Due to their athleticism, the really talented receivers out of college are simply used to being wide open as a routine matter. When they get to the NFL they are shocked as they realize how good the corners, safeties and defenses in general are - and the majority of them have to go back to the drawing board. Of course, the exception is always the once in a while receiver that is so incredibly fast that he simply out runs everybody. The less speedy ones really have to scrap much of their habits and what they know from college and start over - learning how to run NFL caliber routes and learning how to get OPEN. I am sure there are a few exceptions here and there - but the lion's share of receivers don't blossom until year two and sometimes year three, four or maybe longer. The "blossoming" can also be hindered by their lack of playing time as experience on the field is the only way to breed substantial lasting improvement.
TY gets it. Of course, he is not yet where he will eventually be, as a top receiver in this league. Not even arguable that he smoked one of the top corners in the league (Sherman) for a touchdown and maybe two. YES, he smoked him, not even close. TY is stepping into his own, for sure and has basically over his first two years shown that he has Marvin numbers. No speculation - in fact, If he had one more game like Marvin had in his first two years - he only needed 5 more catches and two touchdowns and he would have equalled or surpassed Marvin in EVERY category. Oh yeah, but that's right, he is definitely not a #1 receiver. C'mon!
Whalen and Brazil have been steadily improving - perhaps too slowly for most fans, learning - mostly due to Reggie - how to get OPEN! The big IT factor here is Andrew, who will drag their butts out on the field and work them to death in the off season. They will learn through cleverness and repetition the little secrets to getting open. There is an ART to being a great receiver and like anything, it must be learned. Look what Peyton does with any receiver he commits to. I have no reason to believe that Andrew will not do exactly the same as he gets more confident. Between him and Reggie (regardless of RW's health) they will pound the receiver corps into submission. These guys are learning every day and we must be patient. I have seen flashes of absolute brilliance with both Whalen and Hilton and if you have been watching you have too. Give them a chance to find their grooves and turn those flashes into consistency.
Of course, with Fleener and Allen and the running backs - it is a no brainer. Andrew and Reggie will get everyone in line. Rodgers is icing on the cake and Reggie remains a question mark. If the core stays healthy, we will be MORE than fine.
Now, getting a monster O-Line and teaching special teams and defense how to tackle is the real problem.
ColtsHappy
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Laugh all you want - the numbers do not lie for the first two years of their careers:
Games Played Receptions Total Yards Average Longest #Touchdowns
Marvin Harrison 32 137 1402 12.5 44 14
TY Hilton 31 132 1944 14.7 73 12
Close enough for me. Extremely respectable and favorable comparison noting that Marvin had a very slight edge in two categories, but played in one game more than Hilton. No reasonable person could argue - it is very close and certainly worth a conversation.
The original post stands, but you will just have to wait and see on Brazil.
:D :D
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Look, Brazil was injured, missed a lot of time. When he got back healthy he was a junior TY, making several STUNNING and spectacular catches which blew me away. He is maybe a pretty good ways behind TY at this point in his development - maybe a full year - but when is it going to sink in to you guys that we have TWO Marvin Harrisons? I will say it again - we have TWO Marvin Harrisons!
When I kept saying TY was incredibly Marvin-like everyone thought I was full of ***T and told me so. But suddenly a couple games down the road - WOW - the naysayers were finally starting to agree that TY can be as good as Marvin. After all, the NUMBERS bear it out. Look at Marvin's first couple of years and TY's. Take a close look and tell me what you see!
Geeeeez, and with the rest of the corps? Two really solid tight ends in Fleener and Allen - and Whalen who is developing nicely into the Colts version of Welker, and with the addition of Rodgers and of course - Reggie coming back. FORGET ABOUT IT!
Our receiving corp, if they can stay healthy will be the envy of the NFL.
Spend the money on other needs such as the O-Line and bringing in someone who can actually teach special teams and the defense how to tackle.
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Though I'm a Manning fan, I'm not a big fan of Elway (prima donna). I laughed when the announcer had to request the AFC trophy from Elway to John Fox to let him hold it a little while.
When asked about how an SB win would be, he called it a feather in his cap (as if he were the QB on the field). I think Peyton looked at Denver and thought it was the team that had the most around him at the time he was looking for a team. Tennessee was a joke. I wonder if Peyton's reluctance to go to SF had to do with Harbaugh being there. Not the he dislikes Harbaugh but there may tension between the two since Peyton cost Harbaugh his job in Indy. Not sure.
There was a long winded dialog on the Sirius NFL channel yesterday about Peyton's decision to go with Denver. Anyone else hear it? The moderators (wasn't paying attention to which ones, sorry) were describing in detail Peyton's decision to go to Denver, when Seattle and San Francisco both wanted him. Not sure if they had inside information from anyone in the Peyton camp - or if they were simply speculating - but they claimed that Peyton didn't want to face what was already the cream of the defenses in the NFL on a regular basis - (Seattle, SF, Arizona and even St. Louis). They claimed he was well aware that the defenses in the AFC were generally "softer" than the defenses in the NFC and that (according to them) weighed heavily in his decision to pick Denver.
Not sure if there is truth in this or not - just passing along the information....
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I must admit I like this suggestion a lot - but even better to me - is that Seattle spends a huge block of time every wednesday just doing tackling drills and working on their tackling fundamentals. Yeah, that is EVERY wednesday.
Talk about something that our team desperately needs......
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I was born in Fort Wayne and spent my first 19 years there. Have lived in New York since 1980. Became infatuated with Johnny Unitas and the Baltimore Colts in 1958 when I was six years old. ALWAYS loved and followed the Colts and when they moved to Indy, I couldn't believe it!
I was blown away!
Love 'em the same whether they are 2-14 or 14-2.
ColtsHappy
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For me, it would be this one and the come back victory against the Bucs in overtime in 2003. Peyton threw three TD passes in five minutes. Yeah, those two for me.
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I would say that Andrew's "selective amnesia" is unprecedented in the NFL.
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I'm not a fan of shame on you threads. Seems baiting and inflammatory..........as is name calling
This is a free market and in this case..........people who sold their tickets and people who left that game early........missed something really amazing
Much like the many many fans who went to bed before the Colts came back over the buccaneers.......thereby missing one of the most EPIC comebacks in NFL history
It is their loss........they voted with their feet..........and they missed an amazing game. That's the chance you take.
That's enough. We do not need to vilify them in the forums.
Actually I find it just as offensive that people come here and post shame on your threads or...........rather than enjoying the victory complain about some aspect of the game or a player that they hate.
I just do not understand why not just enjoy the moment? For all of us who saw the game whether at home or at the stadium.......it was special.We'll never forget it
And I feel sorry for Colts fans who missed it
As far as selling to the opposition. Do you know the allegiance of people who buy tickets after the season ticket holder has passed on them?
No
To this teams credit.............the overrepresentation of opposing fans did not deter them
That makes it even more impressive
Really great post.
ColtsHappy
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Harrison's First 2 Seasons: 137 Catches, 1,702 Yards, 14 TDs, 3 Fumbles, 1 Lost
Wayne's First 2 Seasons: 76 Catches, 1,061 Yards, 4 TDs, 2 Fumbles, 1 Lost
Hilton's First 2 Seasons: 132 Catches, 1,944 Yards, 12 TDs + 1 PR TD, 2 Fumbles, 0 Lost
I guess you could say he's on the right track and just needs to be consistent.
OK, so Hilton is now 145 catches 2168 yards and 14 TD's for his first two seasons - SO FAR!
Brazil was looking marvinesque ou there too on a few catches!
GO COLTS!
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In the end they are complete bozos for missing out on one of the greatest football games in NFL history. Certainly a game for the ages.
Friggin bozos.
ColtsHappy
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Fair weather know-it-alls.
Ye of little faith.
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Thanks to everyone.
I think you all proved to the world that the Indy Colts fans are the ultimate 12th man (and woman).
The purity of your belief in this team was undeniable. No question about it.
There is so much heart on this team, I am seriously wondering if anyone can beat us????
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Ummmmmm......
What is it you were all saying, I forget?
:D :D :D GO COLTS CRUSH DENVER!
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To quote our good friend Gordon Gekko:
"It's all about money - the rest is just conversation."
Especially relevant here.