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I have to give it to you, you seem to know your stuff but look at this scenario the one i have been saying all along. The cap goes up significantly in 2013 so PMs cap hit will not be as bad so, keep PM one year hope he is healthy so he can teach luck then get what you can for pm and wish both the best. If nothing else we would get compensation for him. Also. not likely but i am hoping, that if we do cut PM he will delay the choice for about a week so we will get a compensation pick and the new team he goes to does not have to give up anything but we will get something for him leaving in compensation but not likely.No, nor if he is released.
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Todd Haley gets my vote.I vote Marc Trestman or maybe Tom Clements from GB. Rob Chudzinski is another guy but he is already an OC now.
Getting a great QB and offensive minded guy will be much needed for when we start Luck from day 1 this year.
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I am im Arizona and the radio staions out here really beleive PM will be a Caedinal because of Casserly and Schefter.
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Mike and Mike also said it this morning. They all say with the Polians gone Caldwell gone there is noone left that knows the offense except PM. aLSO everything they are doing is pointing towards rebuilding. Then Saturday comes out and says he is thinking of retiring makes me wonder, i know it will kill us this year but they are plain stupid if they do not trade him instead of cut him but i still would like to see him back. Colin Cowherd, Dan Patrick, Doug and Wolf {a local broadcast team on espn and gambo and burns another local show all think these moves signal the end of PM in Colts blue.
B ut get this they yhink he will come to the Cardinals to play with Fitz.
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I live in Arizona now, i listen to Yahoo radio, Fox, RADIO, nad ESPN RADIO all i have heard from all of them is that we will cut Peyton. All the moves so far is towards rebuilding and PM is not part of COLTS plans. Are you in Indiana hearing anything different, and i do not care about what Rob Lpwe tweeted LOL.
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we all basically knew he would stay when he was not fired with polian sux but true bad way to start the offseason
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Landry is no body he was only the scout for the titans a few years ago so he probably does not know much with that being said he as i do not think PM will be traded but it is possible and would be the better business decision.Evidently I do.
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evidently you know more than the talk show host on fox sports radio chris landry cause that is his exact scenario.They won't get it. It could be s-p-e-l-l-e-d out in the greatest detail and they wouldn't get it.
I've been trying to think of analogy, and the best I can come up with is that if you had 300.00 to your name, and your Power Bill was 295.00 and due today or its cut off, you could donate that 300 to charity, or give it to a friend, but you aren't going to.
Yeah we could pay Manning 28 million, and then move him and have a 38million dollar dead cap hit. Yes it could happen, but it won't happen. They are either going to get and comprehend why it won't happen, or they are going to continue to say trade to Washington, trade to Miami, etc, etc.
I feel there are 3 options.
Manning's option is picked up and he plays for the Colts.
Manning's option is declined and he's a free agent, he signs elsewhere to continue playing.
Manning retires.
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i like nick foles from arizona and i think floyd is better than blackmon or maybe even jeffries
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MY REPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE SO WHAT WE PAY THE 40 MILLION THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR LUCK WILL HAVE A YEAR OF NFL UNDER HIS BELT AND WE WILL HAVE A TON OF MONEY FOR FREE AGENCY. oops sorry for caps did not realize it was on and do not wannas retype lol,It's not writing off 40 million that's money that counts against the cap that prevents you from getting other people. So if they did trade him they would pretty much be paying Peyton Manning an extra $10 million to not be here than they would be paying him to be released or to just play here. A couple of draft picks is not worth $10 million dollar plus their contracts on top of that. It would also mean they would have $10 million less to spend on players to either bring in or resign. There is nothing about trading Peyton Manning after we pay him the bonus that makes sense.
Like I said they COULD trade him but it would be extremely foolish to do so because of the cap hit that comes from it. In fact if you read most threads around here where this has been explained many times most people say you COULD trade him, as I did in my first post, but because the of cap hit it's pretty much impossiable to do. That's why people say we can't trade Peyton Manning because that 40 million dollar cap hit is not something you can just write off. If the Colts are going to tie up that much money in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck they are going to do it with them on the same roster and where they are getting a return on the money they are spending on them.
So yes we could trade Peyton Manning but that's like saying we could fire the new GM and bring back Polian tomorrow. There is zero chance it happens which leads people to say it wont happen which has been stated many times it wont happen because of the cap hit. It's very unrealistic to think the Colts can trade Peyton Manning unless his bonus date can be moved, which again has been called into question if they can even do that if they want to, which is why people have said it's not going to happen and treat it as it's not possiable.
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ty not trying to create a controversy just saying what i think is best and get a little feedback ty againYou know you have tried to explain this same thing many times and OP just don't read what your posting or don't understand it. I'm not that savy on contracts or cap but I think even I have understood what you have said and maybe it's because I have read it many many times. Keep trying and maybe others will understand it someday. :highfive:
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Irsay will say anything we all know that especially when it will up the other teams offwers with that said look at other post if we trade him before march 13th it is only a 10.4 million cap hit, and as i said earlier we wait a year when that cap hit is completely gone and use it top build for Luck. with all that being said PM is my favorite player ever i do not want him to go i want to see the records broken in blue but if he can win another SB or 2 and we gegt a QB that can win us a couple later we both win and pm and the colts get what they want.That's beside the fact
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there are a couple ways the more likely we trade PM to wherever he wants to go with the agreement from PM to restructure his contract, which he will do cause he wants to go back to the SB. Now you will say he can just get cut and sign with who he wants without the other team giving up anything but i would argue the Colts will not just cut him and get nothing in return. THEY keep him for a couple years and let Luck force him to retire like Favre. I f you were Pm wouldn't you rather restructure and get traded and retire when you want to instead of getting forced out and too old to go anywhere else?By all means explain how it is done?
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i am mixed on this in one hand i do not want him traded but it is possible and if you do not think there is that possibility you should take off your blinders.Manning's 28 Million Option bonus due March 8th
2012 NFL League Year starts March 13th
Players can negoiate and sign one contract each league year.
PEYTON MANNING WILL NOT BE TRADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that is why i think it is in the COLTS best intrest to trade PM and go with Luck. My proposition is a win win situation for the Colts AAND pm. He wins another SB or 2 and we build with Luck to win a couple after he retires and hopefully he will come back and be OC nad eventually HC for us.The problem is , his "last run" could last a year, two, three, OR never get started.
And the 3 "1sr rounders" would be mid or late round.
I'll take a stud QB over 3 "other" positions. Didn't this year teach us anything?
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not when you can trade that pick for 3 more first rounders and a second and seriously rebuild for PMs last run. My point is you got to go all in with PM or go all in with Luck having both is foolish.Drafting Luck #1 when we have SIX more rounds of draft picks (at/near the top of every round) does NOT make it "clear to everyone" that we are rebuilding. Lay off the crack pipe, man...what it would make "clear to everyone" is that we took the best player in the entire draft, at a position that we could use at back up and as our future franchise QB once Peyton retires.
By YOUR logic (or lack there of), drafting Jerry Hughes in the first round when we already had Mathis and Freeney would make it clear that we were rebuilding and not trying to win now....or when we drafted Reggie Wayne in the first when we had a healthy Marvin Harrison...or drafting Donald Brown in the first when we had Addai...etc
The point being, you take the best player available, especially when it fills a need or a need in the near future.
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I love Peyton as much as the next fan. But, lets look at this from a different prspective. If you keep PM and draft Luck what would players like Freeney, Saturday, Mathis, and Wayne think or any other vetern that is facing retirement in next 3 or 4 years. If we took Luck and kept Manning then it would be clear to everybody we are rebuilding not tryin g to win a Superbowl! If you were a vetern why would you want to stay somewhere that doe not want to win now if you on;ly have a couple years left? With that being said here is what i believe is the best for everyone involved.
First trade PM but only trade him to a team that he wants to go to that is interested of course {SF} A team that is a qb a3way from the SB. hERE IS A TWIST that i think would make PM happy{ after all if you are PM why would you want to go to a team that is giving up a couple #1 picks for you} you defer the #1 picks a couple years. Trade PM for the teams 2015 and 2016 picks by that time Luck will be done with his NFL learning curve and be on his way to stardom and we have extra #1s to build around him. With that being said i would also trade Freeney for what i could get for him. We would take a big cap hit for PM and DW this year but next year we would have so much cap room to continue to build around Luck and the following couple years we would have a couple extra #1s. Basically we would be a serious SB contender in 3 to 4 years for the following 10 yuears after that. The other option is to let PM play 1 year teach Luck show ev1 else PM is healthy and then do all i said here. Howeever we do it I wish PM the best and i am Colts fan.
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Guden as GM and fisher as coach while peyton plays 4 years then is offensive coordinator for 3 years. Fisher retires PM becomes HC/
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that is my point by that time all the good coaches {fisher} will be gone
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I was at work and hear the Polians were fired. Why was Caldwell not fired as well? Are we really going to keep a coach that started 0-13? OR are we going to pull an ASU {arizona state univwersity} and wait until all the good coaching prospects are hired to start looking for our next head coach?
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no one is talking about the polians being fired and caldwell not yet? Does anyoine have the link to the press conference?
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i like foles out of arizona if we could get him in the 3rd round. Besides that if we did take rg3 then we could use him as a wide receiver as he learns under Peyton IF HE WANTED TIME ON THE FEILD
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he was speculating is my guess saying Irsay wants luck so badly it would not matter what he had to give up to give him. I heard that 2 days ago on fox sports radio and this morning on espn radio the local broadcast said the same thing about the colts trading back up to get him.I strongly strongly strongly disagree with that choice. How does Landry know this?
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I was listening to fox radio in Phoenix Arizona Chris Landry said the Colts would trade up to get Andrew Luck if they ended up getting the #2 pick. Isn't that the stupidest thing you ever heard. Please tell me Jim Irsay would not do something that dumb.
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