The Fish
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So the Jags like Minshew that much.. I'm personally not surprised at that. I think he's got a future, but that's a debate I don't know a whole lot about. I could be totally wrong.
But Foles, what is Foles? Do we want him? The anti-JB part of me does. The part of me that knows that Foles is an injury prone, fluke-ish SB winner (which isn't a knock, but it does raise the question how can his floor be so low?) and Jags sloppy 3rd or 4th's.. It's not hard to find reason to pass.
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29 minutes ago, Myles said:
Brissett is bad and a rookie QB would likely be better.
This is why I don't get everyone being so down on bringing in a vet on the short term. JB is bad (not very good?) and I don't see him fundamentally becoming something he's not (efficient and accurate), agreed there, and I don't really want to waste another year, which is what I strongly feel is going to happen if this course isn't changed.
A rookie, meh, you might get more, you might get less, you might get *the guy*, but who knows? The odds are you get nothing of real value, which is the argument for JB, but that can be defused by finding a vet who's better than JB and letting the rook time to sit and learn.
Honestly, this is pretty clear to me that, that's what should happen, but clearly we're in a sorta minority on this- as if JB has earned all of this trust and he's just going to be better because next year and he won't launch the ball as hard as he can, yanking his head while throwing the ball over guys head 5 yards away. Ugh. I don't wana..
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I’m not giving you any rope or leeway?
I thought my whole last graph where I agreed we don’t communicate well and apologized to you for my part in that and reassured you it wasn’t deliberate And offered that I hope we do better this year was all the leeway anyone could hope for.
Im sincere about this. I’m taking half the blame and offering to do better. You were hoping for more?
fair enough!
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17 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
You think I agreed with you that Hooker was drafted too high? In a word — no. Hooker was drafted right where he was supposed to go.Oh. Ok. I could have missed that from "As for Hooker, he isn’t bad. He’s just not as good as we expected. Not as good as we hoped for."
You don't seem willing to give me any rope or leeway. I dunno what I did, but maybe we can start from scratch. I didn't think one way or the other about you until Sunday when you misinterpreted me and then did it again today.
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10 minutes ago, Myles said:
I disagree.
In 2 less games than Brissett:
Comp % - Minshew 60.6%, Brissett 60.9%
Yards - Minshew 3271 yards, Brissett 2942 yards
TD's - Minshew 21 TD's, Brissett 18 TD's
INT's - Both had 6
Rating - Minshew 91.2, Brissett 88.0
Mostly, my eye test showed me that Minshew had the higher ceiling. This was his rookie season where it was Brissetts 4th season.
This what the eye test told me too. He's capable of moving the ball and I couldn't name you one Jags receiver or TE. They've got Fornett (sp) who's on again off again so no bonus point or knock because of talent around him. But Superman could be totally right that he's an overachieving 6th rounder who's ceiling isn't going to satisfy the Jags expectations or need long term.
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3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Free safety’s don’t get beat off the line if scrimmage. Cornerbacks do. Free safety’s are 12-15 yards from the line.
As for Hooker, he isn’t bad. He’s just not as good as we expected. Not as good as we hoped for. But he’s not bad. Your “nope” is way off base.
As is this whole post where you missed the sarcasm about our free saftey being on the line of scrimmage and then agreed with my premise that he was picked too high but isn't bad. It's like you repeated what I posted and then said it was wrong. Weird.
We clearly don't communicate well.
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7 minutes ago, Superman said:
Minshew is pretty bad. He has some pizzazz that JB doesn't, but he's not a better QB at this point.
Here's a debate I couldn't possibly know enough to go to the mat for, but from what I've seen.. that pizza makes him better. mmm..
But honestly, he went 6-6 with a mediocre at best squad and certainly looked better to me in week 17. It's a we'll see kinda thing, but I could see Minshew playing gutsy, winning ball going forward.
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Foles would be an okay option for the Colts, but I don't see that happening. The Jags made up for the biff of giving him 20 mill a year with Minshew being pretty all rite and having potential going forward.
But this does raise another point. Are we as Colts fans really cool with standing pat going into next year knowing that we've got the 4th best starting QB in the AFCS? Seems like a problem to be addressed, no?
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12 minutes ago, Rackeen305 said:
Remeber I said it first, Rivers is TRASH lol
How many games do you suppose Rivers would post numbers like 15-30, 150 yards, no TD's and maybe one bad turnover or not with the Colts roster?
If Rivers is trash, than I expect an expletive laced mile long rant about JB. Fair is fair.
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6 minutes ago, pgt_rob said:
I said that he was decent. Just how Brissett is decent. I think Rivers is a better QB than Brissett but neither are a solution for the Colts. That's why I said it would be pointless to sign Rivers. We're looking for someone long term.
Why does one preclude the other..
You get Rivers(or another FA QB) and you pick a guy who can sit- which is like it or not, a safer move from Ballard's position. When he picks a QB high, he's going to have a record that every Tom, Dick and Harry will judge. Right now it's a little less defined and with a veteran bridge guy it stays that way for a few more years if that bridge works out. I'm not saying that's the motivation (playing it safe), but I also wouldn't totally rule it out either. This rebuild was going to take time and without Luck, it's going to take more time.
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10 minutes ago, Superman said:
Yeah, to me this argument is about "anyone but JB in 2020," which is understandable, but I think an overreaction. I don't think it's the right way to proceed. And you both know that I'm not high on JB.
There are other veteran QBs I would consider this offseason. Not interested in Rivers, though (or Dalton, Mariota, Keenum, Eli, etc.) Carr would cost too much to trade for.
Well, what would you like to see happen? If not Rivers- and the other guys, I'm largely not bullish on either, but there's the possibility that a guy like Dalton could be okay too.. I saw you say that the QB room shouldn't be undone, but it's only a few guys. Hoyer's out I'm assuming. Kelly is whatever. So it's JB and high end rookie and Kelly? JB, lower range rookie and another vet? Something else? Wait and see? JB for POTUS in 2020?
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
While he's a better passer than JB, my question is whether he represents a significant upgrade, and I don't think he does. That's mostly because I'm thinking he's a shot fighter and will never be good again.
You painted a picture of him inspiring some confidence, opposed to how things went as the year progressed in 2019. An alternate view might be Rivers throwing a handful of game-ending picks, or having a few three pick games that cost the team a chance to win, and the impact that would have on the team's morale.
They let Adam shank how many critical kicks again? I suppose it's worth avoiding the shot fighter thing after all of that, but it's going to be up to Ballard and the front office to make an accurate assessment of the FA's in the QB market.
I don't think Rivers forgot how to play or is even losing much on his ball. To be real honest here, I don't think he's *as good* as people say generally- but he's better than most and in the NFL, better than most is hard to turn your nose up at when even you, as not into this idea as you are can at least see that Rivers is a better passer than JB. Finding a better passer is how you improve from JB in my opinion. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but to me, that's huge in this debate and I'd quantify it as a "significant upgrade". Maybe that speaks to how uninspired I was by JB. Could be.
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1 minute ago, Superman said:
What's more likely with a 39 year old QB? That he goes back to his good play from two years ago and throws fewer interceptions while maintaining efficiency, or that he continues to struggle? Especially with a new team.
You're right the Colts OL is better. The Chargers have a better receiving corps, the RB room is close to a wash, they have better TEs. They had a lot of injuries on defense, so maybe that side of the ball wasn't dramatically better this year, but still better IMO.
The O line giving him time to throw was what I ascribed his struggles to this year- as did my Charger fan buddy. I don't think he'd struggle here, which is why this doesn't scare me off. It might not work as well as I think, but barring injury, the floor for him looks a lot like JB's ceiling. 8 ish wins and we bridge to the future with a guy who might inspire some belief as opposed to guys quitting on the team (Ebron) and sniping about general productivity (TY- wasn't out of line, but he was talking about this in a way that wasn't glowing) and give a rook some time to sit. The ceiling with Rivers might, might be a deep run.
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44 minutes ago, DougDew said:
He's been the one saying that more than Irsay.
But he's the GM. Its his job to plan and put the pieces in place. I'm sure he is a bit * at Luck for leaving him in a tough spot, and probably doesn't really want him back thinking that Luck could just up and do that again.
Ballard has probably moved on even more than Luck has. He's got a job to do and can't be thinking about a waffler.
I made a post in the Luck thread and it might have come off somewhat wrong, this is what I was getting at there. On a bottom line level, the team had to have at least conflicted feelings about the situation as opposed to "dawww Andy is just the best", which is fine to a point, but in the context of what the football team is trying to do, probably wasn't the first feeling.
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8 minutes ago, gspdx said:
We all have our opinions, but I just don't think this is true. But I could be wrong, since it is just my opinion. I haven't actually evaluated his current ability like would need to be done to determine his value.
I just feel that a few years ago it was true, but his performance was not great this year and we don't know how fast he will diminish.
Old guys fail fast!
Old guys do break down, I don't see that in Rivers yet though. And I'm not saying don't draft a guy, if it's a move Ballard and Co. are cool with.
JB will not do anything we haven't seen before, because he's not efficient with the ball or accurate when throwing it. Move on. Don't be afraid to do so.
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9 minutes ago, Myles said:
I agree with most of what you wrote. Mostly the bolded part. That is the only reason why I'd be in favor of it. I think this Colts team is a pretty good team. The great O-line gives us great opportunity. Just not under Brissett. I think we all agree that a QB will be drafted. So we need another QB for 1-2 years. I'd rather it be Rivers than Brissett.
Yeah, I'm going to say it's not so obvious that A. Rivers a year removed from taking a team to the AFCCG is a lateral move compared to JB or B. that the Chargers roster is wildly better than the Colts, it's largely a wash with the Colts offensive line being much better than the Chargers- who I think had big injuries everywhere this year. Can't understate that part of this.
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2 minutes ago, CamMo said:
With these comments about the defense, I'm thinking Malik is going to meet his replacement soon.
Our free safety is the guy getting beat off the line of scrimmage as described?
1 minute ago, aaron11 said:hooker wasnt bad he just wasnt special either. i think people are turning against him due to where he was drafted
doubt we would be talking about him if he was a late pick
not even a late pick, heck round 2.. top 15 though.. I don't deny that critique, but this notion that he's bad is just ... nope.
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He said the opposite of the OP's summary thankfully. JB isn't going to just be penciled in.
Bring in Rivers. We'll win enough games to play in January.
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10 minutes ago, gspdx said:
And what really could Rivers give us? Get us to the playoffs? Big deal. So we can get bounced in the first game or two? I would rather use the money for a real solution.
And with an aging Rivers what are we? He will probably be a little less mobile and have worse arm strength next year (which is one of the concerns about him now). And who is he throwing to?
So maybe we are 9-7 with him?
This entire idea seems contrary to Ballard's method. I just don't see him being interested in throwing money at someone who really isn't the solution. And I would agree.
This read like "why don't we just go draft another Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning". Obviously it's not that easy to find a guy who can actually play the position effectively, especially without the pick of the litter. After a half a decade of one playoff win, turning your nose up at a playoff trip or two.. I don't share the sentiment and secondly I want to draft a guy too, because Rivers isn't going to have a half a decade left, but he's a monumental, unquestionable, obvious, plain as day upgrade, and it's needed, badly.
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2 minutes ago, Chrisaaron1023 said:
lol whoever would pull that trigger would be hilarious
I think Philip is done. He has a big family to raise anyways, and if he would rather commute two hours away everyday, instead of moving to LA with his family, he ain't coming to Indy
I would, cue the laugh track! He's only said that he intends to keep playing and he gave an emotional last presser that indicated that Chargers might be moving on. He's going to have to move the family if he's going to keep playing.
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20 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:
This is a terrible idea.
No it's not. Rolling Brissett out there again-much closer to a "terrible idea".
Our guy Myles can handle the pro Rivers argument, it's got my seal of approval. The guy might be old, but he can get this roster to the playoffs and on a one or two year kind of deal, given that the QB position is hard to get square, this is the best move the Colts can make in the short term. Blow out the QB room and start over. Draft a guy, bring in Rivers. If Kelly want's to hang around, whatever, but no Hoyer and no JB. It didn't work and it won't work.
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The Browns are bent on being bad forever.
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29 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:
When he does not play, the secondary is awful. When he does play, the secondary is awful. Hooker should be called "The Ghost" instead of Hilton because he's usually invisible.
Oversimplification is overly simple.
The secondary has been terrible because of it's insistence of using the most basic, Jr. High cover two principals with the idea being that it's plug and play and the young guys won't blow assignments, a smaller cog in the bend don't break approach that Eberflus is going for. When the pass rush isn't on point, guys like Drew Brees are going to be perfect against it.
It's my opinion that a secondary with Kenny Moore, Piere Desire and Malik Hooker isn't short on guys who can play. So what we're watching is a by product of other things. If you wanted to trash a guy, I probably wouldn't bother with responding to an overreaction to Rock. Ok tackler, didn't mind his general competitiveness, but he didn't cover very well and got caught up in his fair share of PI calls.
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22 hours ago, Pacergeek said:
Hooker is one of the most overrated Indianapolis Colts I can remember
nonsense. (hint: i didn't say nonsense)
He's not Ed Reed, but he's not bad- at all. Watch what happens in the secondary when he's not there.
And what's with this mangled thread title?
GM's End of Season Press Conference
in Colts Football
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I'm still trying to figure out why drafting a guy is off the table if we bring in someone to replace JB through FA. I don't see this as a one or the other. And I also don't think the entire FA class is "also ran" especially in comparison to JB, which is were the disagreement from my perspective is at.