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Derwin James. He's a player you can continue to build a defense around and a player that can rally others around him in the locker room. If the Colts trade pick 3 and walk away with Roquan Smith and Derwin James, I would be extremely happy.
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I personally believe the team needs as much top end talent as possible and am hoping to trade back a couple times to accumulate as many chances as possible at selecting difference-makers. I am also under the assumption that Ballard will try to fix the line in free agency and therefore didn't address it until late in the draft.
I would first trade the 3rd pick to the Jets for the 6th and 37th picks. Then I would trade the 6th pick to the Bills (assuming theres a quarterback they want) for the 21st, 22nd and 53rd picks as well as Shaq Lawson. If there is a possibility to trade for Bobby Wagner, as mentioned elsewhere, then I send the 53rd pick for him as well. From there my draft would look something like this:
1st Round, Pick 21
Derwin James, SS, FSU
1st Round, Pick 22
Arden Key, OLB, LSU
2nd Round, Pick 36
Trenton Thompson, DT, Georgia
2nd Round, Pick 37
Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M
3rd Round, Pick 67
J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland
4th Round, Pick 100
Antonio Callaway, WR, Florida
James becomes the answer to oppossing tight ends and running backs which have plagued the Colts in the past. Key would hopefully become the Colts edge rusher of the future. Thompson is added to a strong D-Line to push the pocket from the interior. Kirk and Callaway are added to help round out the receiving corp with Hilton. Jackson is either added depth or a future starter at corner.
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Damien Harris from Alabama could go under the radar.
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3 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:
I think dropping 8 spots and picking up a 3rd wouldn't be as helpful as grabbing a guy like Billing, Reed, etc. at 18. We grabbed a top 5 corner with a 2nd round pick in a trade, yet we still have been unable to effectively stop the run or get to the QB no matter what we do.
With Anderson emerging like he did and Parry playing as solid as he was, if Arthur Jones is healthy and added to Kendall Langford and a later round guy like Chris Jones then I actually really like our defensive line rotation. Our linebacker corps could be better and younger and adding Jaylon would eventually help but I don't believe our next star pass-rusher is going to come from this draft. Next year's draft should be really deep with good pass-rushers.
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3 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:
I think we would be doing this yeam a diservice trading down when we have drafted no lower than 22nd but twice in the past 18 years...and one of those years, the greatest QB of all time had a broken neck.
I understand that normally we don't have a pick as high as 18 but I believe that if they hadn't been injured, Fuller and Smith would both be potential selections at 18. I think this draft is one where the depth of the draft happens to align with some of the team's biggest needs and it would be wise to give ourselves more chances to grab impact players.
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15 hours ago, akcolt said:
I would not touch Smith.I feel bad for the kid but nerve damage he slips to day 3 I think.
I like the idea of 3 2nd round picks. I'd go Kelly C, Fuller CB Johnson NT.
If you want Jenkins it's gotta be in the 3rd. He won't be there at 116. He may be gone at 82. He one of the undervalued guys in the draft. I want Jenkins. Then in the 4tn I'd grab another OL Kirkland, Dahl Thuney the 5th Ngakoue OLB and close it out wiith Mel's son in the 7th Blount ILB.
I've yet to see anything conclusion about Smith having nerve damage. I believe that it was mostly just speculation because of a doctor's comments about the type of brace Jaylon was wearing. The reason that I think Jenkins may be available in the 4th is that I don't think he has the ability to be an everyday pass-rusher and the Sam linebacker isn't usually considered a position worth a premium pick.
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20 hours ago, COLTS449 said:
In your scenario I'd want to do this......
2) Cody Whitehair G
2) Nick Martin C
2) Kamalei Correa EDGE
3) Karl Joseph S
4) CJ Prosise RB
5) Matt Judon EDGE
7) Marquez North WR
Correa can be a star pass rusher by his 2nd season, but I think he can contribute right away as well. But with an early 2nd round pick we'd probably be able to grab Whitehair. He and Martin would finally give us a very good OL. Joseph would probably start day 1 and would give us the ball hawking center fielder all great defenses need. Prosise should be there in the 4th. He'd split carries with Gore and take over the next year. The kid's going to be a very, very good back IMO. Then you have 2 wildcards with the last 2 picks. 2 guys with tons of raw potential and upside. Both could be really good, be career backups/special teamers/or be out of the league.
I wouldn't mind going offensive line with the first two picks but I believe the staff has enough confidence in Thornton and Mewhort to wait until later on to pick a guard. Perhaps its just me, but when I see Correa, I can't help but have flashbacks to Shea McClellin. I'm a big fan of Karl Joseph but due to his small size and his already torn ACL, I would have concerns about his durability. I'm also not sure the Colts want to select a running back given that they've already brought in a couple during free agency. I could understand if they picked a running back later in the draft but given that next year's draft is loaded, they could wait until next year.
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3 hours ago, riftastic28 said:
Jaylon has nerve damage he's a 4-5th rounder for me I think he's a reach in the second round
To my knowledge, it was never confirmed that Jaylon has nerve damage. Its a legitimate concern, but I've yet to see anything definitive. I will readily acknowledge that I don't know much about the nerve issue, but I thought I had read somewhere that even if the nerve was damaged, it could "reawaken" and he would be okay.
3 hours ago, COLTS449 said:I wouldn't trade down that far. I'd stay in the 1st. We could trade down to the end of the first and pick up and extra 2nd or 3rd one, and maybe a 4th depending. But we could still most likely get Billings, Jackson, or even Spence in the last 2-3 picks of the 1st.
I used the value chart to make that trade. According to the chart, those two 2nd round picks are slightly more valuable than our 1st. I can't imagine any team giving us a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd. The value wouldn't even come close to the 18th pick for that return.
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My thought is that the Colts would be best served trading down from their pick at 18 and the ideal trading partner is the Rams and their two 2nd round picks. The Rams could get another first round pick to make a splash while moving. They could either grab a quarterback and wide receiver or they could use the two first round picks to trade up for Jared Goff to stay home and be the face of their franchise. The Colts would, in return, get two chances to fill some of the holes in the roster. With that in mind, the Colts would have three 2nd round picks.
43-Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
45-Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama
48-Jaylon Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
82-Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi State
116-Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia
155-TJ Green, S, Georgia
239-Marquez North, WR, Tennessee
Fuller is a great prospect that Pagano can help mold into a really good corner opposite Davis. Kelly steps in and becomes an anchor on the offensive line and helps to keep Luck clean. Smith is the big gamble but the risk is that he can eventually come back and be the face of our defense. The added bonus of Smith is that he's a home-town kid. Jones is an underrated player that could help with the defensive line rotation and then replace Langford. Jenkins steps in behind Walden as the future of the team at the Sam position. Green is an athlete that has had very little time as a safety, but hopefully with the tutelage of Pagano he can develop into a starter. North is another risk; in the very limited time that he has played, he has played well but multiple injuries have piled up and he hasn't been on the field often.
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Free Agents: Stefen Wisniewski, Jeff Allen, Morris Claiborne
Draft: Robert Nkemdiche, Kendall Fuller, Keanu Neal, Chris Jones, Jonathan Williams and Marquez North
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3 hours ago, COLTS449 said:
Signing Vernon or Irvin would be great. But IMO this is such an important need this offseason its worth trading up if that's what it takes. I'd trade up for Spence in a heartbeat. But there's plenty of pass rushers who will be within our range. Spence, Floyd, Lawson, and Ogbah. But the smartest thing to do is to sign one in FA and then still use our 1st rounder on a pass rusher.
Spence is the only one of those four that I like as a player and as a scheme fit. I still don't believe its worth trading up for him though and its not that he isn't a great prospect. There are too many holes on the team to be trading up for at this point. The defense could use another corner, some better rotational defensive linemen, at least one middle linebacker, at least one safety and of course the pass rusher. If we trade up for a pass rusher, it will likely require a couple picks that could have been used for d-linemen and a corner.
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3 hours ago, COLTS449 said:
Man if we wait til next year we'll have a mediocre-bad pass rush again this year most likely. We can get one next season too. We have to bring in an OLB or 2 THIS offseason who can put consistent pressure on the QB and post big sack numbers. I mean we have to if we wanna have a shot to win the SB. We cant expect Mathis to put up 15 sacks and 5 FF's this year. I think he'll be much better than he was this year though since he'll be 2 years removed from the injury. But still. Even if he does have a monster year we still have to have another guy who can get after the QB. Not bringing in a EDGE rusher until the end of the draft would be a very incompetent move on Grigson's part. We just have to bring in a EDGE guy or 2.
We can't force the value to be there in the draft. If you need to stitch a hole then you address it in free agency. I'd trust Grigson to sign a free agent to a contract that can easily be escaped from. Vernon Oliver or Bruce Irvin or someone would be fine. I would not draft a pass rusher in the first just to say that we tried.
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3 hours ago, COLTS449 said:
Yeah, but we also have to bring in a pass rusher to improve in that area.
I might take a swing on a later-round player like Alex McCalister or a free agent. I'd certainly try to wait until next year to spend a high pick on a pass rusher because the value will be much better. Myles Garret, Derek Barnett, Charles Harris, Lorenzo Carter, Peter Kalambayi, Lewis Neal, and Marquis Haynes are all among top potential picks. I'm a big fan of Noah Spence but since he's either the best or second best pass rusher, depending on how you view Bosa, and I think he'll go earlier than he should because of that. The value in this draft is elsewhere.
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Agreed that talent will fall in a loaded position group and this draft corner and d-lineman are those positions. I would love Nkemdiche in the first and Chris Jones in the third or fourth. Those two along with Parry, Arthur Jones, Anderson and Langford would make our pass rushers look a lot better than they are. The corners are also rather deep so a player such as Kendall Fuller in the second would be a good addition.
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I believe that Kelvin Taylor declared for the draft this year. It does appear to be a great class of running backs though, I'd love if the Colts grabbed one of them.
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Love the Nkemdiche and Chris Jones picks. Put those two along Kendall Langford and a recovering Henry Anderson and Arthur Jones and that's the beginning of a really good defensive line. This draft appears deep on talent in the secondary so I think the Colts should capitalize. A corner like Kendall Fuller may drop to the second and he should be the pick, and then in the third, a safety like Keanu Neal may be a good fit. Pass rusher is a need but it'd be much better served to wait until next year when the crop is much better.
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My bold prediction is that Jalen Ramsey falls because of his position and ends up becoming the best player in the draft. As a safety, he won't be valued enough to go at the top of the draft; and as a corner, there are lots of other corners that have first round grades and could go before him. He has all the athletic tools you could ask for in addition to playing with a mean streak and he's a playmaker. If he ends up anywhere near our pick and we don't take him, I'll be furious.
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Marquez North, wide receiver from Tennessee. He made some really impressive plays as a freshman and was talked about highly along with Boyd and Treadwell but was constantly nicked up and didn't play much last year or this one. If he was available in the 5th or later, he might be a good investment.
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The offensive line needs to be addressed in free agency so that the draft can be used on defense. Alex Mack and Kelechi Osemele or Alex Boone would be at the top of my wish-list. With a solidified line, a new running back is needed either to replace Gore or to help Gore carry the load. Looking at the running backs available, the one that makes the most sense is Doug Martin. Martin can run the ball effectively and can catch the ball out of the backfield. He has said that he would love to return to the Bucs but since they just fired Lovie, there could be some uncertainty there. On the defensive side of the ball, Tashaun Gipson and Morris Claiborne would be two solid additions.
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3 hours ago, COLTS449 said:
If we want a pass rush next year I think we have to take Spence with our 1st. I've been saying this for weeks. He's the best edge rusher in the entire draft. He could come in and immediately contribute and post big sack numbers. I say sign Hali, draft Spence.
I agree that Spence will be the best pass rusher in this draft but I don't think he'll be a first round pick. If people were uncomfortable with taking Jaylon Smith because of a knee injury then I can't imagine they would be okay with Spence, who had/has an addiction to ecstasy since high school. I think he ends up a second or third round pick and that's about where I would be comfortable with him. There are also lots of potential pass-rushers that could push him down the board such as: Joey Bosa, Emmanuel Ogbah, Shaq Lawson, Leonard Floyd, Shilique Calhoun and potentially players like Jordan Jenkins and Carl Lawson.
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That's usually the case though. True LTs are hard to find. The only true LT I see in this class is Stanley. I didn't like anyone at LT in this past draft either, not even Scherff.
You don't believe that Tunsil would be a LT? I've seen a lot of places that have him rated higher than Stanley.
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Grigson just drafted the fourth string receiver for the year in the first round. Unless he thinks that Hilton's contract demands are ridiculous and he's prepared to let him walk then I don't understand.
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i feel like the issue is the lack of above average corners which makes being a receiver easy
That's part of it. Quarterbacks are also better than years past and rule changes make it hard to play defense but it results in more receivers performing so well. Almost every team has (or will have after the draft) a young receiver full of potential that will inevitably lead to receivers in general becoming devalued.
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I love Laquon Treadwell as a prospect. He has the prototypical build for a receiver, he's very physical, and he's a willing blocker. He can dominate one on one matchups and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. He may drop to our pick because he will have a new quarterback next season, he will be returning from an injury and I feel like receivers are going to become devalued because of how many receivers are coming into the league and immediately racking up huge totals.
If there is a specific player at pick 17, would you trade pick 37 and pick 49 to move up? If so, who would that player be?
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Agreed. There's rumors he may be as gone as soon as 7 to the Bucs. James has been my favorite prospect this whole draft cycle.