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heel was likely a factor. Might have even influenced the final play call. He touched the ball 9 of the 12 plays to end the game. With an injured foot.

it is a big deal. He was pushed out of bounds on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 8. Had he gotten an extra half yard on those plays, that 4th down doesn’t even happen… so yes, it does matter.. and it might be why he didn’t get the ball on 4th and 1.

he was stuffed twice on that drive for no gain, and barely got a yard on 3rd and 2. They came out up tight and in man coverage. I get the concept. I do. I was frustrated afterwards that we didn’t live and die by JT, and even posted on the forum. It might have even been at the beginning of the thread. But then to listen to Steichen and minshew speak on the playcall, and knowing the facts, which is that it was a great call and it was open and it was dropped by a guy they say has executed in practice time and time again… I cannot bring myself to be angry at it. because for me, at the end of the day as I’ve stated here- we were 1-11 on third down, and sub 150 passing. Minshew wasn’t good enough to win this game. JT made some questionable decisions running out of bounds the last few plays instead of sticking his nose in it and cutting it in. They didn’t make the plays to win. It’s never about one play, especially when it’s drawn up to do exactly what it’s supposed to- get the ball to a pass catcher. It shouldn’t matter who it is. The open guy is the answer. Catch the ball.

no- he said they called the timeout because they saw them in man coverage. they called the play- which was Goodson in the flat with Pitt picking. I said it wouldn’t work Jt. he didn’t outthink himself. He dialed up a play to get the ball to an open pass catcher and it was dropped. Its not hard

play call and execution are not mutually exclusive. Andy Reid has dialed up plenty of perfect play calls- and executed perfectly by his star qb only to be dropped by kadarius toney. They aren’t failed play calls. They are drops by a professional football player.

lol. Please re-read what you just wrote. “you can’t act like that’s not why they lost the game.” followed by “I said it wasn’t the only reason they lost.” im not sure it can both man. I’m not sure.

pretending that a wide open dropped pass was a bad play call by the coach and the reason we lost versus the 10 failed third down conversions is also nonsense.

no he said that Goodson was the pass catcher in that specific play they had practiced. They wouldn’t have ran that play with JT, and had they done so, he would have been keyed on, putting the decision even more in Minshew’s hands… the play was there and it was dropped. Hindsight is funny. Everyone is a genius with it. I don’t know. But several.

now you are just making stuff up to try and justify your point. What drop issues are you talking about? 7 targets 6 receptions this year. if it wasn’t the only reason they lost then it can’t be why they lost. That’s very contradicting. Has he made the catch, they still have to score the touchdown and kick the extra point/keep them from scoring again. It’s not why they lost, but it was the end of the game.

Did you watch the pressers? the playcall was based on personnel. They viewed Goodson as the pass catching back and that play as the one that would be open. Had JT been out there, it’s not likely open. They saw man coverage, had the play and it was dropped by a guy that catches it everyday in practice. Get over it. It wasn’t the reason we didn’t win this game.

there were a few big drops, for sure. But more bad than good from Minshew in my eyes. Can’t imagine I’m alone in that. Several throws that didn’t even have a chance.

1-11 on third down. One or two plays dominate the conversation of a ball game. But never about the 10 failed third down plays…

I don’t think he’s wrong. But I’m not going to be condescending towards you for your opinion. @Supermanis one of the most logical posters on this forum.

“Sorry you are wrong.” That’s the most sure of oneself, condescending way of disagreeing with someone.

lol. In your opinion. Don’t be so sure of yourself.

Agreed. I was angry about it at first. But then I calmed down and came to my senses. Coaches put players in position to make plays. They can’t catch the ball for them. They say Goodson is the best pass catching back, and with JT’s thumb injury, he likely is. the ball was thrown behind him a bit, and he dropped it. His reaction to reporters in the locker room saying he feels like a failure speaks to the situation. The play was there, the playmaking was not.

he’s not had a legit chance in free agency since 2019 offseason. Every single year since then he has had uncertainly at qb. Every single year. This is the first year they know what they are doing and qb isn’t part of the free agency. Hard to get guys to want to come to Indianapolis when you don’t have the qb figured out. I think this year will be different. I could even see Irsay putting the pressure on like he did Grigson. Time to put up or shut up. This could he Ballard’s last chance at an offseason, and he needs to view it as such. Time to make some moves.

Zero chance odunze falls to us. some view him as a better prospect than Harrison. (I don’t) but that’s how highly he is regarded by some. Monday night will be a huge chance for him to elevate his stock

I don’t disagree on trusting your key players. But they were keying hard on the run. They had just stuffed the 3rd down play. The playcall was there, and it was anything but cute. He says (and minshew says in his presser too, for what it’s worth) that the play to Goodson, who they viewed as their pass catching back, was practiced “a million times” according to minshew. It was anything but cute. It was a simple throw out of the backfield.

what if our draft position has a playmaking cornerback for the taking? Are you still reaching for a receiver that isn’t as as high on the draft board? I don’t disagree with you on the needs, I’m just curious.

I am heavy on the thought that this team would be better served having a top tier tight end and the same receiving core with AR than with the same tight end group and adding weapons at receiver. This receiving core has had no consistency or performance at qb. The tight end group has no premier pass catchers with or without qb performance.

Seriously sad tackling efforts. for a team that priorities receivers that block well and corners that tackle well, he has no business on the roster. Zero.

I had a coach that said that the very best that coaches can do is put you in best position to make plays, but they couldn’t make them for you.

I look at it from two perspectives. His and mine. I feel the same way you do. You live and die by your key players. But from his perspective, they ran that play in practice successfully, and it was the right play- it just didn’t translate from the practice field. Moment was too big and it was dropped. He sounds convicted in the decision. They got the look. Took the timeout. It was there and hit him open in the hands. had he caught it, we still had 10 or more yards to go to score. It wasn’t like that play was going to win us the game. It just lost it. He’s going to learn and grow from this season. He’ll be his hardest critic, without any doubt in my mind. He’s a young rookie coach, playing with a mediocre qb.

strong perspective here… we overachieved with Minshew. No one saw a winning season in the cards, and especially not after a promising Richardson went down.