Dudley Smith
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I think we did Good in the Draft. Only ones that didn't really work out were Fugger & I guess you could say Harnish. We haven't seen Chapman yet.
I sort of agree on Harnish, not that you ever expect a lot from a 7th round draft choice. I only say this because a buddy of mine and I always wondered why, if the Colts were looking for a QB to develop as Luck's backup, why they didn't take Kellen Moore, who ended up not being drafted. The kid won a lot of big games at Boise St. and put up huge numbers while doing it. I thought he was a much better choice than Harnish, who put up nice numbers in college but only played in the MAC and never played on a big stage. I would have thought Moore could have turned into a pretty solid backup for Luck and wished the Colts would have taken him there if the idea was to groom a backup.
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Jake Locker threw 3 interceptions last week so when we hit him....please dont hit him too hard and help him up.
We dont want the veteran Hasselbeck (22 of 29, 236 last time) coming in..he could cause problems
With Locker..all you have to do is worry about him handling off the Chris Johnson....who is probably the only guy they have that can beat us..at this point
Agree. Hasselback really hurt us in the first game. He was easily the reason why we were struggling to win-- it certainly wasn't Chris Johnson, although I remember him having a decent game running the ball. Hasselback was not making mistakes and was hitting open receivers left and right. Even though Locker has potential, I would much rather our defense face him rather than the guy that has already beaten our defense pretty bad through the air once. If I recall in that first meeting, we had 1 sack and hardly pressured him at all. Probably a big part of Hasselback's success in that game.
With all that said, the game is at home, and I feel pretty confident that we win barring some major breakdown on either side of the ball.
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Woooaaahh now, you're getting way ahead of yourself and putting words into my mouth. I don't recall ever saying that RG3 is having the better year. I don't know why I would say that because I don't believe that. I do think that Luck is having the better year but not by as huge a margin as some people are making it out to be. Ultimately, I think that each team got the right QB for the type of offense they want to run, and to say that one could not run the other's offense is just silly because there's no way of proving that.
What I have been doing is try to stand up a little bit for RG3 and some (not all, but some) of the fans of his that post here because I think a lot of the criticisms towards him are unwarranted and inaccurate. I do still believe that some of the colts fans here try to run RG3 down to make themselves feel better about Luck but that certainly doesn't apply to everyone. My posts have, however, primarily been directed towards those people though.
I will also say that I do agree with many of the things Balzer says, such as that one cannot say that another QB would do better than Luck with this offense, and that Luck runs a higher risk offense whereas RG3's is a safer offense. My problem with him generally is in the tone of his comments, not always the actual content of his comments, though I do disagree with him there on some things as well, especially in regards to his feeling that the earlier Luck hype was not to the same level as the current RG3 hype...I completely disagree with that but can see why he would not see it that way.
Well see here is where I partly disagree. I agree that fans can say whatever they want, but when they go to over the top homerism and cutting down other players and/or teams just to lift theirs up, well that's what leads to the fans of other teams coming here. Some come merely to defend their player/team while others go just as over the top as some of the colts fans here do. One begats the other so to say one is ok but the other is not, where the first is the direct cause of the second, simply makes no sense to me. If this were a private forum with private registration and people were faking being Colts fans to get in then that might be one thing. However this is a public forum open to all of the public, whether fans of this team or any other. Heck just as an example, the Eagles forum has a couple of questions on the registration form that try to weed out spammers. One question asked what the nickname of their stadium is. Sure, that answer can easily be found with a simple google search but still, the point is they have taken at least a small step in trying to keep the forum for Eagles fans only. This forum is completely open to all. So to say that others aren't welcome to post their feelings here or that people here can make absurd and over the top comments but fans of other players/teams cannot is extremely hypocritical.
I guess if anything my "special agenda" has been to try to reign in some of the over the top, homeristic type posts and absurd criticisms of other players/teams. Why? Not to try to appear to be a bigger fan of the other players or teams because I'm not (except for Peyton but I've never been anything but honest about that). I have been doing it to try to keep the fans of other players/teams from having to come here in defense of their player/team. If people here stop ripping down other players or teams then, when other fans come here, we can have friendly and civil discussion instead of absurd fights back and forth such as this thread that result in absurd and inaccurate comments from both sides. Basically, I'm trying to get OUR fans to stop being the trolls that they're bringing in and to stop being hypocrites.
So many people keep saying they're tired of fans of other teams/players coming here, but more often than not it's the actions of those doing the complaining that's bringing the other fans here in the first place. If people want the fire to die down, then let's let it die down, and then (most importantly) don't start it again in the next thread/post you make. There's nothing wrong with defending your team or your favorite player, but when you do so by tearing down another player citing a specific example even though that same example applies to your own player then you simply come out sounding stupid. (the "you" in this sentence is a general "you" to the people that it applies to, not to you [balzer] who this portion of my post was in response to).
I agree, for the most part.
Yes, there are people here that think 12 can do no wrong. They may be a bit of the minority but they are here. Most of the fans here are reasonable, and some are overly critical, forgetting the fact that Luck is still just a rookie who is going to make mistakes and then others do go over the top in defending Luck. Also I completely disagree that Peyton wouldn't survive behind this OL. He survived behind the 2010 OL and it was just as bad. Yes he was running a different offense but honestly, if Peyton were still here, do you think he would be running a different type of offense than he ran in years past? No, he'd still be running the offense he was used to. If anything, Peyton still being here might mean that Arians wouldn't be. Or, Arians would have to adjust his offense to what Peyton is used to and comfortable with. Bruce can run the offense he does here because Luck is so mobile that he can buy time. I do still think that there should be more short routes and outlet receivers to give Luck someone to check down to more often, but the point is that Arians wouldn't be running THIS offense if Peyton were here. Essentially, Peyton would still be running the offense that he wants to run and Irsay would make sure of that. So Peyton would still succeed behind this OL because he would get the ball out quickly, just like he did in 2010. Now if you want to tweak the comment a little bit to say that Peyton couldn't run the current offense with all of the deep routes behind this OL then that could be considered more correct. He simply does not have the physical athleticism of Luck. He never has, that was never his strength. Therefore he would never be asked to run this type of offense.
Agree with most of what you said, except the point about why other fans are coming here. In the case of Skins fans, I imagine that they are curious to see what Colts fans are saying about RGIII/Luck to see if it stacks up with their own opinions. This is fine, and if they make an account to discuss it with us, this is also fine. But they aren't coming here because poster "A" made a comment about RGIII that they just have to see. They come here already with a pro-RGIII agenda-- and again, I don't have a problem with them coming here and touting their quarterback as the next greatest thing. But don't come here and start tearing us down because we love our QB and claiming it is "ridiculous" to believe Luck is having the better season. This is a COLTS forum-- and honestly if some posters here think Luck is going to be the greatest QB to ever grace the planet, they should be allowed to post that without being pummelled with negativity. He has not shown us anything to refute that he could be. He hasn't proven that he will be either. When you are a fan of another team, you should expect that fans of the team's forum you are visiting are going to have positive feelings about their own team, and you shouldn't go there just for the sake of heckling that team's fans IMHO.
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Again, I hate all the comparison but I have to get you to understand.
Dink and dunk is usually the argument used by those who haven't looked at many games. The Redskins run a version of the West Coast Offense that incorporates a strong run game and the play action pass. The base of the WCO is the short pass. People think that it is a college offense because they use the pistol formation (which I never understood seeing as the Steelers use it too) with read options. People think he doesn't go through progressions just because his first read is usually open because they defense bite so hard on the play action. Why go through several reads when you first option is wide open? (the fallacy of people's argument regarding this). People talk about RG3 dinking and dunking but none of you (who use this argument) part your lips regarding Brady, Manning, Ryan, and Rodgers and the short throw. Mainly, because none of them are constantly being compared to Luck. But it also shows how objectivity is not use. Andrew Luck throws more passes that Griffin and Wilson but Luck and Griffin are tied for touchdown passes with Wilson leading all rookies in the category. Also, Griffin leads the league in TD passes over 20+ yards, so that kind of debunks the whole risk/reward argument.
So are you saying that the offense that Luck is running is not higher risk than the one Griffin is running? Sure, Brady and Manning throw a lot of short passes, but I think the difference is when they do it it is generally a check down to one of their final targets whereas Griffin's are normally designed passes for screens or slants. I don't think anyone is going to deny Griffin throws a good deep ball, and the fact he is constantly using play action also contributes to the TD passes over 20+ yards figure. But I don't think it can be denied that Luck is playing in a much riskier offense and is being asked to do much more than Griffin is as far as intermediate and long throws, as well as for his team's offense in general.
And as far as making reads, if your first read is wide open, then of course throw it to him. Especially if it is Garcon who has nobody within 10 yards of him (which has happened more than once in both Skins games I have watched this season and has resulted in big YAC). However, Griffin rarely needs to make a second read, and I think that is why people call it a "safe" offense or "dink and dunk" along with the fact they are generally short passes. When it is working it looks nice, and I think the Skins coaching just be given props for it. But you have to think that soon it will be figured out and Griffin isn't going to have wide open receivers to throwing to. And no, I am not saying he never makes a throw under pressure or doesn't fit it into a window, but it is much, MUCH less frequent than the frequency Luck must do so.
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Ravens are not playing very well right now, but the Skins and Giants did not show anything Monday night to make me think that the Ravens could not beat either of those teams. On the other hand, with the way the Ravens are having trouble scoring, they could also lose to either one, and there is always a chance the Giants suddenly flip that switch we all know they have and start playing lights out football (although they certainly weren't Monday night). That said, as others have pointed out, the Ravens really only need one more win to get into the playoffs, and I think it is safe to assume they will get it somewhere. Out of any of the possible playoff teams that the Colts could face, the Ravens are probably our best bet for a win, and that is including the Steelers and Bengals IMO.
Do the Bengals have a good defense? If the Colts played them could we expect a shootout like Detroit?
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That is because most of the hype on Luck was exhausted during his sophomore and junior years in college. People seem to forget that Luck was the greatest thing since sliced bread since Freshman year, touted as the best prospect ever coming out of college, and deemed the proper successor to Peyton Manning. Converse to what people think here, a lot of praise is being thrown on RG3 because he isn't Luck. He wasn't hyped for 2 years. He didn't play in a spotlight program. He wasn't chosen as the successor to one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. He's a generally well-liked guy by seemingly everyone but fans of other NFC East teams and the Colts. He's the flavor du jour and once Geno Smith or someone else comes in and tears it up I have no doubt Griffin's hype will be no more than Luck's, Manning's, Brady's, etc. But the hypocrisy I have seen in this thread is pretty astounding. Perhaps it's because some people don't watch a lot of college football, and I totally understand if that's the case, but over the course of his career, no player has had as much hype as Andrew Luck.
Jahsoul and Matugi:
I am not disagreeing with either of you on that, except to say that in college, when speaking about a college prospect, Luck did appear to be the next great QB as far as his ability and instincts. However, once he got into the NFL I don't think he has been hyped that much. He has had flashes of greatness and gotten praised for it when he does. However, it does not even begin to equal the amount of hype RGIII got since winning the Heisman and continuing until right now today. RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread if you believe ESPN and might be able to walk on water. Whether you like one or the other isn't at issue so much as RGIII is getting a disproportionate amount of hype compared to every other player in the NFL right now, including established greats such Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Think about that. And seriously, never did Luck's hype back in college equal the amount RGIII is getting now. You won't convince me otherwise.
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Listen, I know no matter what I say about Luck and the hype he received last season, that you are going to disagree. There are a few people here that are stuck on the hype that surrounded him and hold it against him to some extent, but there is no way that Luck's hype last yr. is anywhere even close to what RG3 is getting now and even back before the draft.
RG3 was the most talked about player about 2 weeks leading up to draft and it has exploded into full blown ridiculousness now. I haven't at anytime seen ESPN or NFL network running polls to get Luck into the probowl. Not one time have I seen them claim him to be the best rookie ever in the history of football.
I know you will just come back with some remark about how I must be jealous or some other silly crack at me, but thats ok, I really do not care. Also I would just prefer Skip Bayless keep his ill informed, complete lack of football knowledge mouth quiet than say anything at all. I would like to watch ESPN for more than 5 minutes without hearing of how great RG3 is.
I find it funny that you try so hard to defend RG3 over Luck at every opportunity especially when it comes to my posts. Its pretty obvious to me(and a few others I think) that you have a special agenda to respond to my posts that I make about RG3 or Luck either one.
I'm with you 100% on this. And I actually like RGIII and I think he is a solid rookie quarterback. What I have a problem with is just the immense/ridiculous amount of hype the media is giving him right now. Luck has not gotten a fraction of the hype that RGIII has gotten and anyone who says otherwise must not watch any sports shows other than when their own team plays. It just gets to the point where it becomes nauseating and hard to listen to when you're trying to watch ESPN or CBS or Fox and you have to hear such outlandish remarks being made about him ad nauseum. The guy is on a 6-6 football team, and has put up good numbers. But that's it. Give him the hype such as "best ever" or "MVP" when he has actually earned it and deserves it like everyone else.
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Luck threw for 2 ran for one vs the Packers
Thanks! I was thinking he hadn't ever thrown more than 2 TDs in a game before Detroit but I couldn't remember for sure.
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How many did he throw in the Packers game? That's the only other one I can think of where he might have done that.
Hmm. You may be right. He might have thrown 3 TDs in that game. I will have to check when I get the chance or it will bother me.
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True. But if it is like the hybrid Ds the Ravens have rolled out in the past with much less defensive talent, he has owned the Ravens with better talent on D??? But the Ravens teams he beat did have inferior talent on O than of course the Peyton led Colts. Ultimately, it is about the Luck led Colts' O matching up vs a particular D that will determine our chances of success in the playoffs.
Just something to think about.
If I recall the last few games Manning had against the Ravens, I remember them being low scoring. Generally with the Colts scoring in the teens or low 20s at most. So I don't know if I would say he shredded them, although our Colts did come up with the "W." It's probably an apples to oranges comparison anyway though due to the personnel on both defenses being completely different. It would be interesting to see Manning throwing against the Colts defense though.
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Wasn't this Luck's first game with over 2 passing TDs? Of course it came with 3 picks, but I think we can all overlook that of course considering the outcome!
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Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was exclusive to Colts fans. You better tell the Patriots, Saints, Chargers, and Redskins fans to stop posting here too. You don't seem to understand what the word HYPOCRISY means either, nor do you know how to spell it. Move along now, this topic apparently doesn't interest you enough to comment about it instead of me...Novice.
You have just as much a right to post here as Colts fans, but please show some respect when you do it. Many times when I read your posts you just seem as if you are here to stir the pot. I don't know if that is the case, but it certainly seems that way. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.
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The Colts wont have anything to lose, regardless of who we play. It is all about matchups in the playoffs.
The problem is that the Broncos are a team with D and ST capabilities. The Broncos' D will force a lot of turnovers against Luck with that pass rush. The Ravens and the Patriots do not have nearly the pass rush that the Broncos have, if you have been paying attention to Von Miller and company.
By virtue of bad field position our O will generate for our D, Peyton would probably get a few gimme TDs like Brady did against us at Foxboro due to turnovers. And then, before you know it, on the road, it gets one sided pretty soon.
I agree with you. Honestly, with Luck's track record on the road this season and with the pass rush you mentioned for the Bronco's, I am guessing Luck would throw a couple of interceptions. I think if Luck could somehow be turnover free, then I think the Manning and the Bronco's would probably score 24-28 points, and we would have a chance, however slight, to win. I don't think it is impossible, but agree it is very unlikely. And like you pointed out, there probably would be some INTs or a fumble due to the Bronco D that would allow Manning to get easy points and push that figure above 30 points for the Bronco's. And if that happens, then the Colts would have no chance.
The Colts definitely match up better with the Ravens or Patriots-- especially the Ravens who I feel have trouble scoring. However, I just would like to see Colts-Broncos. The media would be annoying, but it would just be an exciting game. But I am happy as long as we make the playoffs at this point.
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Guess I am in the minority with the crowd that wants to see this game. While the media would have a field day with it, I honestly don't think the Colts would have anything to lose. We would be playing a road playoff game, the first for Luck and the majority of the other Colts players, many of them rookies, against one of the greatest QBs of all time, in one of the toughest NFL venues. We would not be expected to win by a long shot. I think it would be a great learning experience for our rookies especially by giving them an idea of what playoff football is all about. And I would not expect a win, but I would still hope for one.
And yes, Manning would destroy this secondary, but so far this year our defense has not been dominate but has always played well enough for us to win. Outside of Manning, the Bronco offense does not have electric playmakers. I honestly don't think the Broncos would put up a ton of points on us. I think Manning would just have 10 play drives that ate up a ton of time. It would come down to whether Luck and the offense could stay on the field and keep Manning off.
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With all the coaching jobs about to be open do you fear Arians will leave and the affects it could have on Andrew? They say he has a photographic memory so me personally I think he would move on fine but I just want to hear Colts fans thoughts. Do you think it would suck for him to finally start understanding the offense and then have to start over?
Honestly, I don't see Arians leaving. And if he does, I don't think it will affect Luck's growth that much. Arians is older, and already contemplated retirement once after being let go by the Steelers. Hard to see him getting serious consideration from a team that is looking for long term stability at the HC position. While his clock management has been horrendous at times as interim and he calls too many deep routes, I think overall he has had a positive effect on Luck, but I don't think Luck needs him to continue to grow. Luck will know any playbook that is given to him.
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I think the defense has played pretty well in when you take into account of our expectations this season. While our pressure on the opposing QBs still leaves a lot to be desired, our cornerbacks Butler, Vaughn, and Davis when he has been in, have played well, and Freeman has been exceptional. I was hoping Chapman would be back this season to see if he is the real deal, but I can see why it is better to be safer than sorry in that situation. Looking forward to next season when he is in the fold.
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Alot of your fans are thinking just because you were 2-14 last year that means this year your team sucks so it has to be Luck and only Luck for the reason youre winning. Things change quickly in the NFL. If you cant' see your WR's are pretty darn good i don't know what to tell you. Reggie Wayne is Reggie Wayne future HOF'er TY Hilton is becoming a huge playmaker and a wonderful find by the front office. I think your line is better than advertised as well. The deep TD pass Luck threw he had all the time in the world.
I can agree that our defense as a whole has been a pleasant surprise this season. It has played reasonably well outside of maybe the Pats game (granted Luck's pick 6's made that one even worse). However, I will not agree with your assessment of our O-Line. The O-line has been borderline putrid. That is what makes Luck's performances so impressive. The O-line is constantly collapsing around him and yet he is still making plays. He also is occassionally throwing an INT because of it. Even if he doesn't get pressured, after he gets smacked around for two or three quarters he tries to fit the football into windows he shouldn't. If the Colts had even an average O-line, I think Luck's stats would be infinitely better. As others have also pointed out, Arians' play calling sometimes does not help when he expects such a line to hold up for seconds on end for a deep ball.
And what deep pass are you talking about exactly? The next to last TD pass he threw to Brazill he was scrambling out of the pocket, had to throw it on the run, and still got hammered at the end of the play. Sure, he gets some time to throw once in awhile, but all in all the line is terrible.
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Are people really getting upset with each other after a win like our Colts had today? Yes, the three INTs were very poorly thrown, but try getting smacked around constantly for the entire game and you will start to get rid of the ball faster and miss making reads like Luck did too. Luck was getting nailed on a lot of throws even though it wasn't a sack-- and that will begin to affect how a QB throws the ball.
Despite this, Luck showed us his 2nd gear again that only a few QBs have in this league. That was truly a special performance in the 4th quarter by Luck, and how people couldn't be on Cloud 9 right now after that is perplexing. Luck still has work to do and he will do it, but a big part of his improvement will be automatic once the OL is improved after this season. In the meantime, enjoy a successful season, that is almost %100 because of Luck, that no one saw coming. He is destined for greatness.
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LOL. I can see there is no room for argument with a die-hard Colts fan. As such, let's agree to disagree on ALL your points. There is not one I can agree with...lol.
In any case, these 2 QBs are both very different and very similar in the sense that they are coming up together, so there will be tons of scrutiny as long as both are playing the game and playing it healthily.
I think the best thing to do is leave the comparisons and votes in the hands of non-Skins/Colts fans and let them tell us who they think is better or who is more cerebral, etc, etc.
Until then, let's enjoy both QBs. Deal?
You are having a RGIII vs. Luck discussion on a Colts forum. If you're surprised by my response I am not sure why. Regardless, you have yourself a deal.
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This is the kind of comment that makes me laugh. You do realize that the Redskins are only 1 game back of the wildcard and hold tiebreakers over the saints, bucs, Cowboys and Vikings which are the 4 main teams vying for the 6th spot. They are also only 2 games back of the division and play the Giants this Monday night meaning if they win they would be a game back. And the Giants from here on out have a pretty tough schedule ahead of them. Another thing that bothers me is this stigma that Andrew Luck is turning around the worst team in football last year. Yes you guys had the number 1 pick but IT WAS THE SAME ROSTER THAT PEYTON WON DOUBLE DIGITS WITH YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT....And if Peyton was healthy last year he would have done it again. You guys were bad last year because the Colts never really addressed the back-up QB because Peyton was an iron man. You had a guy starting in Curtis Painter that can barely be a starter in a local pickup flag football game. Another thing is, COMMON guys your division is trash besides the texans. I know the NFC East records are bad right now but I tell you this I'd much rather play Jacksonville the Titans and the Texans then I would the defending superbowl champion Giants Cowboys and yes even the terrible Philadelphia Eagles...Which I think every team in the East would sweep the Jags and the Titans.
The Texans are hands down better than anyone in the NFC East (althought I may give the Giants the edge if they play like they did against GB), and the Eagles aren't going to beat anyone--the Jaguars included. Have you actually watched them play lately?
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At this point fans of every team outside of the Skins, myself included, are just getting tired of the media which has become a RGIII hype machine. Coming into the season, most people, myself included, liked RGIII and thought he would be a good quarterback. However, the ridiculous amount of over-praise/hype RGIII gets after every game he plays has made it almost unenjoyable to watch a Skins game or their highlights. And to all the Skins fans/RGIII trolls in this thread-- YES, his offense is a college offense and is very simplistic. Half his throws are behind the line of scrimmage for crying out loud. Stop kidding yourself. Kudos to the Skins to making it work for him this year, but don't be surprised when it is exploited next year or if RGIII has growing pains ala Cam Newton when they transition to a pro offense.
As far as the Luck/RGIII comparisons go: yes, RGIII has the better stats, but I think a lot of that you can contribute to his his "dink and dunk" offense as others have pointed out ad naseum. However, I think if you just give both of these QBs the eye test it is impossible to come away not believing that Luck is the superior QB. Watch each of them play. Yes, RGIII has incredible athletic ability and throws a good deep ball. But Luck sees the field and is cerebral. He goes through his progressions. RGIII throws to his first receiver almost every time in the games I have watched him. Luck does try to force it sometimes, but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the pathetic O-Line he is playing with. Couple this with Luck's 2nd gear when it comes to game-winning drives, and I will take Luck any day of the week. Skins can keep RGIII.
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I know this has been discussed in other threads, but I think some people are overblowing the playcalling from BA. Do his playcalls contribute to the sack total or pressure Luck faces? Yes, of course. And he should call more shorter passes, I agree with that. That said, this O-line is terrible, and to think otherwise is crazy. I agree that Castanzo shows signs that he could be good at times, but otherwise this line has no long term solutions on it. Grigson needs to get a couple of studs on the OL in the offseason, whether it be a high draft choice or through FA, and I believe this will help Luck's turnovers and the running game both next year even before any improvement is done individually by Luck and the RBs.