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Doesn't look to promising. Remember Bert Jones? You would think it was his shoulder that ended his career. It was a bulging disk problem that would not get better. He figured to leave the sport with what health he had. The Colts sighn Collins to 2 years. He may have to stay out indefinately. The sad part will be not knowing for sure for ever, for example, Harrison's knee,Sanders's multiple problems. This secret nature the Colts have about injuries can be down right frustrating. We may be seeing the end of the Manning era. Hopefully, the Colts know something positive about the situation, I don't think they envisioned paying him one million plus a game to hold the clipboard.
Where did you read that about Bert? I know that he was never the same after he separated his shoulder, came back too early and hurt it again. While your comment sounds reasonable, I remember reading not that long ago that his shoulder problem would have been easily treatable in this day and age. Never heard a thing about a disk.
Not doubting you, I just would like to know more since his disappearing in the prime of his career was one of the most upsetting sports situations of my life.
By the way, I can still picture the play in which Marvin got hurt. It looked nasty, and considering his age you had to wonder if "this is it" even then. I didn't find the ensuing events all that surprising.
Sanders is the one that drives me nuts. Two season ending biceps injuries? Who injures there biceps? They aren't like a lower body injury - I always kinda wondered (Bob being Bob) why he wasn't able to just slap a band-aid on it and come back out.
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When did Kerry Collins work in a grocery store?? He was a 1st round draft pick.. 5th overall
Confusing him with Kurt Warner perhaps? Actually now if HE would come out of retirement for the Colts......................................
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I have no problem with Painter on a personal level. I don't dislike him in any way. However, has ANYONE seen Painter "move the chains" in ANY game? Regular or preseason? At practice even? I don't recall EVER saying "wow, nice throw Painter" or " nice play Painter". I haven't seen it (that I can remember). I've been saying we needed a Brunell (Jets) type of back-up with experience in big games and can manage this offense. I think Collins gives us that. He knows the division. I'm sure he's studied our offense and Peyton's play before. I was never really a Collins fan. (live near Penn State) However, they guy (once he matured personally) has produced. He's got descent size and can move the ball around. He can't be much less mobile than Peyton.
I'm suddenly turning into a "Painter apologist" for some reason. Certainly not my goal in life.
Actually I've seen Painter do something good that made me sit up and take notice in just about every game he's played - even in that ridiculous Jets game in which he was thrown to the lions - and I've read repeatedly that he's an ace in practice. By all rights he could have committed Hari Kari on the 50 yard line of the Jets game after that first series, but he went out on the second series and made a brilliant throw pretty deep to the left sideline as if he wasn't phased by anything that had happened. A couple of other good throws as well. And afterward not a single media outlet showed it. They just endlessly repeated the embarrassing stuff. Maybe he wouldn't be such a head case now if not for that circus. I see the talent, apparently so do his team-mates and the Colts management. It gets frustrating watching him make bad decisions and heave easy passes at his receivers feet, but there is something there. A heck of a lot more ability than Sorgi for one thing. Sorgi just aspired to be a game manager but couldn't quite do it. Painter is more like Cutler as far as physical skills. He just needs for the game to slow down in his head. That may come with time.
By the way, I would love to have someone like Brunell instead of Collins. Delhome (who I heard was considered) wouldn't be bad either. I'm sure there are many more. The sad fact, however, is that Collins IS considerably less mobile than Manning, and he holds onto the ball way way too long. The very things that allow Manning to turn a below average o-line into one that gives up the fewest sakes in football are utterly missing from Collin's game and always have been. Check out his career stats. 39 once with Oakland. That's more than 2-3 drives per game killed by his brilliant game management skills. He did better with Tennessee, but the Colts don't have their line. I doubt he's gotten quicker in the ensuing years.
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@both of you: You don't just "give a guy a shot" in the NFL for the heck of it. That's why there are practices, training camps, coaches, scouts, etc. Those procedures sift through the "trying them out" phase. Anyone who thinks it's a positive thing because it leads to a better draft pick should contract Hepatitis. It's about winning now when the greatest QB in the game is in his final contract.
Keep in mind, Manning will likely play all 16 games.
I had hoped to make it clear that I was talking about giving Painter a shot in the context of a theoretically lost season in which Manning wouldn't be playing enough games to make a difference. I'm ALL for maximizing the balance of Mannings career, but if Manning isn't playing then by definition that is irrelevant, got it? You'd have to wait until next year. So what happens this year?
Collins isn't good enough to take this team anywhere by himself - unless the offensive line takes a huge leap, or the defense suddenly starts dominating.
Painter has been through all the preliminary work that you mention and is still on the team. They obviously see something, and expect more. He can already make throws that Collins can't and is infinitely more mobile - his career could turn tomorrow, you have no idea. In the scenario that I suggested - which wouldn't be pretty regardless - I'd rather give Painter a chance. Even if it failed, I'd rather go 4-12 with Painter and get a nice shiny new toy for Peyton to play with in his final four years, then go 8-8 with Collins.
Your entitled to your opinion, but you think I "should contract Hepatitis". Really? What the heck is wrong with you man. Lighten up.
And by the way, I agree that Manning will likely play all 16 games, but that hardly puts the signing in a better light.
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Maybe the Colts needed to guarantee Colllins $4 million to get him to come out of retirement, and he gets the same amount whether he's here two years or two weeks. If that's the case, I don't like it.
I'd be enthusiastic about Collins coming in like a hired gun for a game or two but to justify the financial commitment in question he'd need to stay on the roster the entire season - if not two. It's a lot of money, and he's way too immobile to survive our O-Lines growing pains - so they'd have to save a roster spot for a younger QB anyway.
More to the point, I never thought that he was all that great in the first place. If he has to play a lot of games we're in trouble. I'd just as soon give Painter a shot. The kid has some skills - if his head ever comes around to join the rest of his body he might surprise a lot of people. (And if he doesn't lead us to the playoffs, at least he'd lead us to a higher draft pick
).By the way, you would think that this signing would make Painter a bit angry. Instead of being Peyton's endless understudy, suddenly he's fighting for his career after getting a massive vote of "no confidence". I know what happens to me when I get angry. Maybe tomorrow instead of being hesitant and careless, he just goes
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I had similar (albeit less educated) thoughts myself. I had a disk removed/fused in my neck a few years back. There was significant pain/numbness/weakness in my shoulder arm and hand while the disk was pressing on the nerve, but relieving the pressure addressed the symptoms. Granted, I've had lingering issues, but I'm not an athlete and I had degeneration in my neck - something that Irsay specifically stated was not an issue with Peyton.
The point is that I was urged to have my surgery within a 90 day window to "prevent permanent nerve damage". I read somewhere that Peyton had been dealing with this for four years. Therefore the quotes about "waiting for the nerves to regenerate" have alarmed me. If they were trying to diminish the concerns and reassure the fanbase that didn't do it for me. I hope that they chose the wrong phrase. Maybe the nerves are OK at this point, but he was sidelined for so long and incurred so much muscle atrophy that he still can't make "all the throws" (I hope I hope I hope).
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It doesn't matter how long Mannings successor sits on the bench, he's going to be an enormous step backwards regardless. The Packers pulled off something that few franchises ever do. I wouldn't assume that lightning will strike twice. Lets just milk the Manning era for as long as possible.
Realistically the next Colts QB will be average, and the next time we get an all-pro it will because we stunk so much that we earned a top pick in the right year. The last thing that I expect is a seamless transition and continued playoff berths.
Now if (God forbid) Manning's injury suddenly ended his career, I'd hope they'd go nuts pursuing Luck (if they think he's worth it). Try and trade Freeney, Clark, Wayne and Mathis to some of the crappier teams in the league for first round draft picks. If you have enough chances (or enough picks accumulated) maybe we get Luck(y)and start this all over again. Beats a long slow decline. The Colts turned around quickly in the early 70's after their Super Bowl team started to decline. The key was being horrible long enough to get Bert Jones. It's pointless to plan on being average ahead of time.
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Thank you, in that case I will be clicking on Mr Manning. Wayne and Freeney overtly try to showcase themselves. Sometimes effectively, sometimes not. Manning is the personification of subtle confidence and demeanor. (In my opinion of course. Some people would probably prefer "Neon Dion" or some such nincompoop).
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No sir, I hoped on the bandwagon at some point in the mid-60's. No idea why, except that the uniforms were cool, uh, I liked horses, uh, blue was my favorite color. I was about 5-7 so those were great reasons. Somewhere I have a copy of that famous (for Colts fans) 1968 edition of Life magazine filed with Colts photos and Ogden Nash poetry, that my sisters were kind enough not to dismantle.
Oh, and my Dad who wasn't a particularly serious football fan, used to never-the-less occasionally wax poetic about "Johnny U", and more often go "Joe Namath?" :thdown:
:barf: That was enough for me.
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Define "swag" please. Do you just mean "swagger", or is there some slang significance that I'm missing?
If we are talking swagger I'd say Freeney, Wayne, or Manning. Not sure yet.
The last time I heard "swag" it was on a home improvement show. Something about window coverings I think. Probably not what you had in mind.
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My impression has been that Sims and Anderson possess a proven skill set that fits the Colts needs. Harris, on the other hand, sounds like a one trick pony who lost his trick. Unless the injury reports were grossly over-stated, I don't see how there is room for him.
Of course Kentwan Balmer, another former first round d-lineman was just released by Seattle. What the heck - try them all on for size.
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Here's how mine finally healed permantently-sleeping!! I was sound asleep, remember this is after months of twice a week therapy and I heard this loud "bang". It was my neck resetting itself. End of injury!
That's a heck of an injury. Are you entirely sure that you know where your wife was doing at that particular moment?
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Tough tough question. The Colts have never gotten that kind of production out of the slot except for Peyton's 49 TD year. The fact is that Collie COULD well get those kind of numbers, but what would that say about the rest of the Colts passing attack? Clark is a vital weapon and he's only hit 10/1000 once in his career! It would probably be a lot healthier for the offense (and for Austin) if he wasn't targeted at the ridiculous pace that he was early last year, so I'm going to say that he doesn't (while hoping that the Colts have an exceptional offense regardless). Spread it around!
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Collins is a far more logical choice as a short term solution than any other name suggested. I would not, however, assume that this represents a change in philosophy. It would make more sense to conclude that Collins is here to replace Peyton, not Painter - which means that it is entirely possible that Collins will be retired again in the not too distance future (when Peyton is 100% and the roster spot is needed for another position).
I am one of those who thinks Painter is worth hanging onto. He demonstrates plenty of skills, it's just that the game moves too fast for him. I assume that the Colts think that he can get past this problem. The second he does he becomes a considerably more valuable backup than an utterly immobile 38 year old with a career QB rating of 73.9.
I had the misfortune of hearing Collins hyped daily when he played with the Giants. Barely an average QB then - somehow I doubt that he's improved much. And considering the unpredictability of the offensive line, a fourth QB on the practice squad might not be a bad idea. Painter isn't going anywhere.
It is amusing to hear people crucifying Painter and calling for Sorgi to be brought back. I seem to recall him being detested just as vehemently back in the day.
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Gonzalez needs to show he can stay healthy - I would expect the Colts to give him that chance. He has played in 31 of 48 possible regular season games, with 99 catches and 7 TDs - all decent numbers. Since he is in the last year of his rookie contract, I would expect he will be released unless he plays the entire season and returns to the productivity he had in 2008. His pre-season work so far does not seem to bode well ... but we are really just at the half-way point of the pre-season, so he could still recover.
If Blair White cannot get-off the PUP list, that creates a hole in the slot depth chart. Outside receivers are Wayne and Garcon, with Collie and Gonzo in the slot (but each have well-documented durability issues). Smith is most likely to fill WR#5 because he brings ST assets, but he generally plays outside, and a slot is needed. Chris Brooks is the next slot option, but he has been inconsistent (although he played well against Washington) and doesn't bring much to ST. Gilreath is next, he brings KR/PR skill, but is also an outside receiver. This leaves Horn, who played well in the slot (albeit in limited reps) against the 'Skins, and has ST abilities (he almost blocked another punt in yesterday's practice). Williams and Moore have not done well at all, and I would expect they will be cut when the team goes from 90 to 75.
My guess for the WRs when the 53-man roster is posted going into week 1:
Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez and Smith; with Gilreath, Horn and Brooks on the practice squad; White to IR.
Do you know the extent of Whites injury? If memory serves you can stay on the PUP list for some time, so I wouldn't expect him to be I/Red just yet.
I agree with most of your points, but if White returns, I would expect him to back up Collie in the slot, with Gonzalez on the outside. Garcon will likely get the nod at first, but after a couple of series are terminated early because of passes bouncing off his hands, I would expect Gonzalez's playing time to increase. I haven't seen much of the others. I did watch some of Horn's college highlights though, and I wouldn't be astonished if he eventually passed White regardless of health. The Colts survived (somewhat) with White last year, but it was painful. They could do a lot better.
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You're kidding me,right?However,i would absolutely love to see Donald get fired!He's a real turd and a horrible person(i speak from experience with him).I've seen him refuse to sign autos for kids numerous times.
I've noticed a trend here regarding your personal dislike for Brown. By any chance was it you who Donald refused to provide a signature to? Sorry, but I hope they need a better reason than that to cut him.
I remember in his draft year - pausing my TV as the Colts were on the board, guessing that they needed a running back, reading all the available running backs descriptions, and suddenly "knowing" that Brown would be the choice. As far as character and intelligence is concerned, he is a Colt all the way. Now if he could just run between the tackles a little better and stay healthy.
Where have you been the past 5 years or so(in a pineapple under the sea)?Are we watching the same games?I think you're confusing madden 11 with actual reality.lol!
I would appreciate it if you would be a little bit more respectful. This isn't funny, and it's inappropriate (see forum rules #14). "Turd" isn't exactly a stunning word choice either.
And where I've been for the past five years is watching every snap of Colts football and reading every article I can find. Perhaps you have time to watch cartoons and play video games. I don't. Check out Gonzo's yards per catch compared to the other Colts receivers. Check out Brown's yards per catch compared to the other Colts running backs. Check out their college resumes compared to the UFA's. I could dig up the game reports and articles from their more successful endeavors if you would like. The issue with both is injuries, talent is not the problem. And Hughes is not only talented, but too young to give up on regardless of your opinion of his performance.
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I don't understand why anyone would want to give up on Gonzo, Brown and Hughes. I don't believe for a second that Polian makes roster decisions because of ego - other than in the sense that he wants to win. They are on the roster because they have God given talent that justified their high draft position in the first place. He'd be a fool to give up on that without a terrific reason.
Hughes has that rare speed that the Colts crave in their DEs, and he is making strides. The coaches apparently expect him to put it all together at some point. Why conceivable basis do we have for doubting them? Who should take his spot, a UFA with a good work ethic? They are a dime a dozen - first round talent is not.
Brown can break a huge gain like nobodies business, and is a threat catching the ball as well. We've all seen him do it in prime time against good defenses. Yes, he's had some injury problems, and yes, he doesn't block all that well, but those things can actually improve over time. Carter is a welcome addition, but he is a complement to Brown, not a replacement. And once again, who would take Brown's spot? Neither Spann, nor James, nor Evans nor Moore come remotely close to Brown's ability.
Lastly Gonzo - if healthy (big if) might shortly be the best receiver on the team. I love Wayne but he is slipping. Garcon has more speed and strength, but he's wildly inconsistent. Collie is perfect for what he does, but he's not an outside threat. Gonzo just gets open and makes plays, and was quickly becoming a "Manning favorite" before going down. Some people think he was drafted to play the slot, but if you look at the timing I think he was drafted to replace Marvin. Collie was the one drafted to play the slot. Yes, he has to prove he can stay healthy, but once again dropping him for an UFA would just make no sense what-so-ever.
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Has anyone seen or heard any indication that Rucker might be used at safety? When he was drafted the thought was expressed by some experts. Of course that was before Hayden was released, so the teams priorities may have shifted.
I haven't seen much of Lefeged but I'm thrilled by his growing reputation. As a former Rutgers student living a 1/2 hour from the campus, I was already delighted that there were two former Scarlet Knights on the Colts roster. Three! They aren't exactly a powerhouse.
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Thomas is much bigger than the guards the Colts usually draft, so I was hoping he could make an impact. A bit disappointing, but I'm assuming it says more about Reitz and McClendon stepping up and Diem having new life at guard than it does about Thomas. The line looks a bit better, and you can't keep everyone.
By the way, Thomas blocked for Eagles running back LaSean McCoy in high school in Harrisburg. PA. My former boss (a devoted Eagles fan) is a graduate of the same school, so I was always keenly aware of Thomas's presence on the Colts. Of course I left that job and with every free agent signing (starting with Vick) I've hated the Eagles more and more, so it's just as well that Thomas is gone(g).
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I'm a lifelong NJ resident and lifelong Colts fan who has rooted for them regardless of city, so I can see it a little differently.
I was very upset when they moved, and I feel sorry for all the fans who had their team yanked out from under them, but even if I had lived in Baltimore I could never have allowed my love to turn to hate. You can detest Robert Irsay - one of the worst owners ever - without turning against your own team. There are still New Yorkers who turn up at Mets games to root for the Dodgers after 50+ years. I don't understand the dark resentment evident in Baltimore to this day, nor the hypocrisy considering where the Ravens came from. The Colts should be every Baltimore fans second favorite team.
And yes, Elway was a factor. As were a couple of dozen other moronic decisions. Memorial Stadium was just as much a dump in 1976, but with one of the best teams in the league (and an MVP quarterback) the fans still came. Think about what Indy would be like circa 2020 if they still played in the dome (without Peyton or Polian, and if Jim Irsay morphed into his father). I think there would be 20 people in the stands and other cities would come calling. How would you feel about that?
Indy had every right to seek a team. And after 27 years they are as entrenched and beloved in Indiana as they ever were in Maryland. It would be nice, however, if Indiana fans didn't feel the need to insult Maryland fans regarding the Colts. You have the team, what fight are you trying to win exactly? Just let them be.
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I've been reading these forums off and on for years without signing up. I just had to respond to this one.
You know how much Irsay loves his music, well Robert Johnson is a blues legend.
"Crossroads" refers to his best known song. As in "I went down to the crossroads and fell down on my knees, asked the Lord up above for mercy, save poor Bob if you please." --Cross Road Blues by Robert Johnson
The deal refers to the suggestion that he met the devil at the crossroads and sold his soul in exchange for his musical gifts. How else could someone come by such otherworldly talent.
So yes, Mr Irsay is messing with us, and it's pretty dayum funny. I'm not sure who he might meet in Mississippi, but personally I hope it's not Favre. I always liked the guy, but after watching the circus come to town in NY a couple of years back I don't think it would be a great idea.
I would have been all for his being resigned. He visibly changed the Colts defense from the first moment he stepped on the field.
and just starts making plays. "What the heck, got nothing to lose". Could be interesting.
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Front Office: Please Hire A Coach
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It seems to me that the basis for hating Caldwell is that he's made a couple of questionable field decisions in prime time, and that he happens to have a kind of "la de da, I wonder when lunch is going to be served" expression on his face the vast majority of the time. But the calls were simply ultra conservative - exactly like Dungy used to make - and his countenance is wholly irrelevant. The fact is that there isn't a single one of us who is qualified to judge his worth to the franchise.
How about just assuming that Polian picked him for good reasons - perhaps even something other than the grossly exaggerated ego problems that many ascribe to him. This is Polian's team. "There can be only one". All the "big names" that people long for would demand player personnel control. The Colts don't need that, and personally I don't want that. We just need a professional manager to set the tone, lead by example, keep an even keel, make rational decisions in consultations with the other higher-ups in the organization. That is exactly what Caldwell brings with considerable success.
For those of you who want a "name" coach, I remind you that they all come with baggage, and that the grass is always greener. I see Rex Ryan on TV constantly here in the NY area. He is extremely entertaining and likeable. He is also a childish, loud, and obnoxious buffoon who talks out of his rear most of the time. Loudly guaranteeing victory every ten minutes and running a defense based on endlessly blitzing (while one standout player shuts down the passing game) does not a great head coach make. For the Colts needs, I'd take Caldwell any day of the week (and twice on Sunday).