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please NO! character issues, cussed fans out fans on twitter, constantly under performed! i dont want hilton, fleener, allen, brazill learning from that guy
The Twitter thing was... interesting. Aside from that, though, the man wasn't a trouble-maker and no other, obvious character issues were to be seen from him during his brief stay here. He also performed exactly to the level we had hoped he would and even impressed at times.
He wasn't young or productive enough for me to miss him but he was a fine option at receiver in 2011. Don't think the Colts really need him, though, unless someone gets hurt.
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I can only wonder what the Redskins were thinking?
Add up what they did this year. They gave up FIVE (5) draft picks in order to select two QB's this season. That's three 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick and a 4th round pick for two rookie QB's, and one of those QB's cannot possibly be happy about his team.
Griffin is thrilled to be a Redskin and, while Cousins was surprised that we took him, I can't imagine him being too upset either. It shouldn't be too hard to get yourself excited about playing for coaches who have worked with and produced great results with Elway, Young, Plummer, Cutler, and Schaub.
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Cousins was the 2nd best pro ready QB coming out behind Luck on most NFL team boards
He was also rated ahead of Weeden, Foles, Osweiler, etc. by our coaching staff. Still doesn't mean he won't be brought along slowly.
lots of interesting speculation here, but I'm not giving the Redskins/RG3 any merit over Colts/Luck.... they are still the Redskins, even with RG3 I expect they will continue their loosing record ... and their own manufactured QB drama taking Cousins won't help this team.
The Redskins aren't losers just by virtue of being the Redskins. They're losers by virtue of being mismanaged under two different owners over a ~20 year period. That mismanagement has shown signs of correcting itself in dramatic fashion to anyone who has paid attention (certainly not most Colts fans, can't blame you guys either when you have Peyton and playoff runs keeping you focused on the home team) since we brought on Bruce Allen.
This is what I think
RG3 wiull start well but Luck will finsih better...becausre our team is younger
Both teams are absurdly young. None of the Skins' major contributors on either side of the ball besides the seemingly ageless London Fletcher is over 28 years old. Most fall into the 22-26 range.
I don't have a hard time believing that Cousins could give Grossman a run for his money. Grossman has shown the ability to play as bad as any QB could possibly play at times. Well.....not 'Tebow bad' but he's pretty bad.
Rex turns the ball over too much, that's why he's on the outs with the staff. Beyond that, though, he's got a very good grasp of the offense and does possess the ability to win games without a lot of help (although he also possesses the ability to lose games with a lot of help). That's probably going to be good enough to cement his second string spot until we let him go after this season. Our coaching staff generally prefers to bring rookies along slowly, anyway.
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rg3 will get sacked a ton because of the bad redskins oline and luck will have more pass td's and yards
Our offensive line isn't as bad as people think it is. We were decimated by injury last season and still did a respectable job of protecting our QBs. The sack totals don't bear that out because John Beck was personally responsible for getting sacked at least 7 or 8 out of the 10 times he went down against the Bills, badly skewing the stats and pushing us from a top 10 squad in terms of sacks allowed to a bottom third squad.
Griffin won't finish the year. He will turn in a mediocre performance and then succumb to injury. Cousins will step up and we'll have the "lol QB controversy" of the 2012 season.
Just a guess.
Cousins isn't likely to be in a position to step up in 2012. He'll be a third stringer in all likelihood and we'll take our lumps with Grossman if Griffin gets hurt.
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I don't think Mike Jenkins is the kind of player you move money around to get. He's a guy you sign in August for vet minimum because he still hasn't found a squad and you need some depth at corner.
I doubt the Cowboys will just release him for nothing and you wouldn't have to move money around to accomodate his current contract. He's only making $1 mil this season. If you don't like him, you part ways after the 2012 season. If you do like him, you pay him what you think he's worth to you after the 2012 season.
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Luck has brilliant taste in women. Tannehill... notsomuch. She and Tannehill do seem to have similar facial characteristics but I'm not sure if that's better or worse. Really, she's like a more unsettling version of Kaitlin Olson.
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I'm seen multiple references to people desiring to get Cowboys DBs. I don't pretend to know much about them, but I can't reconcile hearing endless draft commentators describing the Cowboys defensive backfield as THE weak link dragging the whole team down - necessitating their giving up a SECOND ROUND pick just to move up 8 spots to get a CB, prompting celebrations akin to winning the lottery, with any enthusiasm for taking on players they don't want. Does not compute. Jones is horrible, but he's not an *. Clearly they felt that they had a serious problem at the position.
Allow me to assist.
The Cowboys secondary was indeed a disaster in 2011. This was primarily due to the fact that Terrence Newman is a shell of his former self at 33 years old and that they had perhaps the worst safety group in the league bar none. Sensabaugh is okay as a SS but every other safety on that roster is just awful. Injuries caused Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick (who Cowboys fans like but isn't anything special) to miss games and play Alan Ball (one of aforementioned awful safeties) at the nickel for a few games and it seemed like that entire defense just wasn't on the same page as Rob Ryan (who is, thankfully, an awful defensive coordinator) which also contributed to the mess. Signing Brandon Carr was a necessary move for them and they could easily have settled with just cutting Newman and rolling with what they had but Claiborne falling to a spot where they could go up and get him potentially gives them a very dangerous unit as opposed to just a serviceable or good one.
Mike Jenkins himself had a monster breakout season in his second year as a pro and looked like the next great thing at CB only to regress somewhat in his third and fourth seasons. He's not bad, though, and would be a legitimate #2 corner or very good nickel for a lot of squads. The Cowboys just don't want to give him a new contract (final year of his rookie deal, so he won't hit your cap hard) and would prefer to get something for him now rather than let him go for nothing later. If you really trust Pagano and your secondary coaches then he'd certainly be worth a mid-to-late round flier just to see if he can be coached back up to his potential.
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The Rotoworld grades seemed pretty generous all around. Silva gave the Skins an A- but our grades elsewhere have been all over the place and probably average out to a B-.
I don't know that I would give the Colts an A+ but they did have a darn fine draft regardless. I expect you guys will focus on defense next season after your coaching staff has a better feel for what your existing talent is capable of (esp. Freeney and Mathis in their new roles). It's somewhat the opposite approach of what we took (defense heavy drafting initially, offense heavy this season).
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It's a toss up and you will bet on who you prefer. I prefer Luck and I am confident he will have the better season as well the better career.
I don't invest too much stock in the rookie season, it doesn't always indicate long term success in a QB. Look at Rick Mirer after his rookie season in Seattle. Look at Vince Young's career since winning the Rookie Of The Year award.
Incidentally, both Mirer and Young had statistically poor rookie seasons that foreshadowed their statistically poor futures.
Stats aren't the be-all-end-all but even 'winners' are eventually going to crash and fade away if they consistently perform poorly.
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The Cousins pick speaks to our distaste for Beck and, to a lesser extent, Grossman than it does any sort of concerns about Griffin. Shanahan clearly had a higher than 4th round grade on the guy because he has remarked that he considers the selection a steal. Our focus this draft was almost entirely on depth after the first pick, anyway. Only one or two of the guys (besides RGIII) we selected will push for a starting job immediately.
I have no interest in Luck or the Colts (worst team in the league, inexperienced coach, why are they going to be so good?)
I can certainly understand the sentiment ;)
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You're right. A guy with a short haircut that is still going to school, that shares a car with his sister, that goes to Indianapolis isn't news, it's boring.
Now a young stud quarterback with dreads that tells the Colts "no" when they want to see a workout and who goes to Washington DC--the crime capital of the USA now thats news.
Both quarterbacks have some pretty nauseatingly 'everyman' type stories associated with them. Griffin drives an old Chrysler Pacifica and his "dreads" are just braids that he originally had his mom do as a bonding thing. Heck, just look at this picture of him with his fiance:
Pretty unremarkable.
The difference between the two is simply that Griffin is more outgoing by nature, is going to a MUCH bigger market, and had more of a flair for the dramatic on the field in 2011. It's a little bit like how Vince Young began to overshadow Matt Leinart in the discussion prior to the 2006 NFL draft after the dramatic Rose Bowl comeback even though Leinart was far and away more polished and safer... except neither of these guys are the * that Young and Leinart are. (This board censors the old ID ten T? Weeeeird.)
You're a decade or two late on the crime capital thing. Parts of the city are still pretty miserable but on the whole it's miles better than it was in the '80s and '90s. Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis, and Oakland are way worse last I checked.
Washington erred in taking Kirk Cousins in the fourth round in my opinion whilst on the subject of RGIII. The Skins created a "QB controversy" they didn't need and could have used that pick on another need on that team from where I sit.There is no QB controversy because we grabbed Cousins. Everyone knows Griffin is the man going forward. If he fails to perform in truly stunning fashion then there would probably be a QB controversy regardless of the presence of Cousins. C'est la vie.
I was referring to the magazine itself. And I watched the draft and didn't notice any bias. I mean honestly, RG3 is a more compelling story anyway, going to a city that hasn't really ever had an elite QB.
The OP was implying that there was some sort of "Colt hate" thing going on, which just isn't true.
I take offense to that. We've had elite QBs before... just... not since the early '70s... and the '40s before that... or so I've heard
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Speaking of the devil, hearing reports that Minnifield is coming to DC. If true, I love it... but I also really doubt he makes the 53 man roster with that knee. Having the opportunity to put him on the practice squad or injured reserve is good enough for me.
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and even funnier, the people in that thread actually buy into it believing RG3 will be the Michael Jordan of the NFL the GOAT and forever change QB position, funny that before this season RG3 wasnt even seen as a QB prospect and Luck was seen as a great college QB for years
Don't generalize too much, lest you forget that it would be very easy for fans of other teams to say the same exact things about the way your fans have built up Luck and tried to tear down Griffin. Both are fine prospects.
That shouldn't be hard.
Talk about setting a low bar
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As I said in the other thread, Minnifield has a major medical red flag with his knee. He'll probably go undrafted.
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It's not just any knee injury that knocked him so far down. He had microfracture surgery and has had problems with his knee swelling during workouts for NFL teams. That's about as big a red flag as a guy can have knee injury-wise.
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They're trying to be the Patriots...
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I wouldn't worry too much about Garcon. He should be very good for you guys. Some sour grapes on here because he turned down a very similar offer from us to go to the Skins.
On the other hand, I don't believe the talk about the Skins would've taken RGIII in the first spot. It sounds way too much like the Chargers saying they really wanted Leaf all along. Not saying that I think they'll (Leaf and RGIII) have even remotely similar career trajectories, RGIII looks like a special player who can live up to his own bravado.
Our insiders had all said that Griffin was at the top of our board starting before we made the trade up to number two. Considering that Shanahan has been known to favor potential over NFL readiness and Griffin is the slightly better scheme fit, I've been inclined to believe them.
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This was a good move. I know Janoris Jenkins or possibly Courtney Upshaw were probably the sexier picks at that spot from a potential perspective but a big pass-catching TE is invaluable to a rookie QB. The fact that you got the best available one and he already has chemistry with your QB is just icing on the cake.
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Jenkins and use him as trade bait with eagles, we would still have a shot at Fleener while picking up extra picks, one of which we could draft Hosley
The Eagles don't really need Janoris Jenkins. Even after ditching Asante Samuel they still have Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie.
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So many posts in this thread to like... so little time
I honestly thought both QBs were relatively glossed over last night because the story on each of them has already played itself out pretty thoroughly.
yea only difference is that Redskin fans are so sure they are going to the Super Bowl this year with RG3. :/
Uh... no. No one who is more than the most casual bandwagon Skins (or Baylor) fan honestly believes that.
It was very obnoxious hearing Redskins fans at Radio City Music Hall chanting, "SUPER BOWL! SUPER BOWL! SUPER BOWL!"It's not unusual at all to see a fanbase turn up in droves for a pick like that and exercise a little unrestrained jubilation. Giants and Jets fans can always be counted on to have a big presence, too, and they're no less obnoxious. Clearly more of y'all should have gone to New York to represent.
Wait until stone hands GARCON drops a few
Man, I'm just thrilled we'll be able to put Garcon in a position to drop some deep balls this year. We haven't had a QB with good deep ball accuracy since 1992 (and he wasn't even that good of a QB without perhaps the best offensive line ever assembled assisting him).
I agree been saying hes going to run 1 time too many and try a lil harder than he should.Hes going to get hit alot and harder hope he stays fit.Also his Attitude is showing, saying Redskins would pick him 1st if they were there.Serious chip on his shoulder overachiever might cost him injuries.
That's absolutely true, though. If you had kept Peyton and traded with us for a battery of picks, Griffin would be going number one. It's not an ego thing, he's just glad that the team that took him valued him that highly. A lot of other players made similar statements when teams moved up to get them (e.g., Morris Claiborne).
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His pad level issue is because he doesn't stay low in close quarters, and allows the tackle to get under him and stand him up. We're talking about a three-point stance. Coming from a two point stance and having a chance to get moving and get his leverage right before engaging the blocker would help, as would his speed and quickness. Not a cure-all, which is why I said he needs coaching.
Think Brian Orakpo, who was a college end who moved to OLB in the NFL.
I certainly remember Hughes being considered an OLB prospect first and foremost when he was drafted. Incidentally, Orakpo is the main reason why I raise these concerns. Orakpo is a good pass-rusher. He's quick and he's very strong for a player his size. Unlike Hughes, he does possess the ability to physically outmatch offensive linemen. However, he is nowhere near as productive as he should be for several reasons. The biggest one is that his hand use is sub-par relative to his other skills and he too often lets opposing linemen grab him in ways that the refs tend not to flag. The part that's relevant to this discussion is that he also tends to play too high (particularly on his speed rush) at the point where the offensive lineman engages him. The poor leverage combined with the lack of hand use means that he gets shut down in situations where he should have his man beat flat-out.
This was less of a problem for Orakpo when playing from a three point stance than it is from a two point stance. When he starts low he tends not to get so high so quickly whereas when he starts high he stays high. He's still a productive OLB but he's an extremely frustrating player to watch when you know he could be much closer to having a DeMarcus Ware-like impact out of the position. As of right now he's immensely talented but not even close to being elite.
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I have no doubt that RG3 will be as good as advertised. The Redskins finally got their franchise QB for the next decade or more & I am happy for your team RGIII. That fan base needs to move beyond the Joe Gibbs era & have something new to cheer about. I actually like Mike Shanahan & don't want him fired either. He is a brilliant coach IMO. But, I do find it peculiar that his protege Gary Kubiack is doing better in Houston than Mike actually is right now.
I was thrilled that we had the opportunity to get Shanahan. I've always loved how Denver operated their offense when he was out there so having a guy like him available in the midst of the disaster that was Jim Zorn was a godsend. I like Kubiak too and, while he is certainly more successful right now, he was on pretty shaky ground until that defense turned around.
Really, though, the Texans are just a few years ahead of the Skins (just like how the Skins are ahead of the Colts).
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lol
Redskins stable.
More stable.
Okay moving on......have fun tonight.
I know, right? It sounds like a bad joke but it is legitimately true since you guys cut Peyton, cut Clark, cut Addai, cut Brackett, fired the Polians, fired Caldwell and your entire coaching staff, and changed the defensive scheme from the Tampa 2 to a hybrid 4-3/3-4 all in the last few months. Meanwhile the Redskins have had the same GM, same coaching staff, and same systems in place for three years running. That may not be very stable (certainly not like the Peyton years were for you guys or, even moreso, the 80s were for us) but it is decidedly more stable.
It also may not be true after next season or the season after that (we'll see). Just don't forget that until Luck takes the field and proves us all otherwise you guys are currently the dregs of the NFL. FWIW, I'd be shocked if you did remain at the very bottom with Luck but I'd also be shocked if you returned to your former glory (regular playoff contenders) in year one.
Yes, right now RG3 has more weapons no question. The real test will be 4-5 years from now. Will Coach Shanahan still be in Washington? I have my reservations here. Terrell Davis made Shanahan's career not Elway. Shannahan must get a 1st round Playoffs victory this year or he will be fired IMO.
Luck, on the other hand, is following a scrimmage H.O.F. QB legend that's true, but the level of expectations right now for our squad is nowhere the red hot, surface of the sun intensity it is in Washington right now either.
The TD made Shanahan argument is a smarter one than the Elway made Shanahan argument but it's still too limited in scope to even come close to representing the reality of Shanahan's successes. That's a completely different topic.
I can say, authoritatively, that expectations in DC for 2012 are not that intense (hopes are but that's very different) and that Shanahan is in no danger of being fired unless we have a truly disastrous 2011 Colts-esque finish. Snyder will keep Shanahan around even if we don't make the playoffs and the DC fanbase and sports media, while notoriously impatient and prone to knee-jerk reactions, does possess an underlying understanding that rookie QBs need time to develop.
We're further along than you guys but we're not that far along.
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When I watch him play, I don't see him struggle mentally. I see him outmatched physically against offensive linemen, and I also see him not playing with the proper pad level. Moving him to OLB fixes the first, and coaching fixes the second.
Moving him to OLB likely won't fix the first the problem unless Hughes is seriously quick and it will only exacerbate the second problem. Not being a regular Colts game viewer (especially last season), I'm obviously not really familiar with Hughes' skillset as it pertains to the NFL but I have seen those kinds of problems get worse when a guy stands up. If you're playing with a high pad level when you're starting low you don't often fare much better when you're starting high. Coaching can still fix that... but some guys just don't take to it well, regardless. He'll also have to develop NFL-caliber short-range cover ability. If he had a knack for that in college he should be fine but if not that's yet another thing that will set him back and possibly keep him away from playing time.
I guess you could say that if there's one thing I've learned over the past few years it's to be extremely skeptical of any 4-3 player moving to a 3-4 position when the 4-3 is all they have known at the professional level. You will be pleasantly surprised by some guys but most just seem to play better in a scheme like the one they were originally drafted into.
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It was a nice write-up.
A quick note on the Justin Chapman review, lack of height is actually an asset for a 3-4 NT in a lot of ways. Being low to the ground with 310-340 pounds of bulk makes a guy extremely hard to get under and move off the point of attack. Being taller has it's advantages too, mostly in that it correlates to wingspan and reach is never a bad thing, but height tends to be a more desirable asset in 3-4 DEs than in NTs. A lot of the best pure 2-down, 2-gap noses who have played the game fit that same short and squat (6'2" or under, 310+ pounds) profile. You mentioned Hampton but I'd also throw in Kelly Gregg and the indominatable Vince Wilfork as shinging examples of the kind of player I'm talking about.
If you guys end up running more of a 1-gap scheme then it would be easy to point to Aubrayo Franklin as a good example of what a guy Chapman's size can be capable of.