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They waived Isaiah McKenzie? Down to just 3 WRs now lol
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9 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Chris Johnson did, with the Titans. Zeke did, with the Cowboys.
Chris Johnson signed his first contract before the new rookie wage scale (came in 2012), but good call on Zeke. But unless there others, that would be only one holdout while on their rookie rookie contract in the 11 offseasons since the rookie wage scale came into place. There definitely may be others, but the point stands that it isn't exactly common for a player to hold out while still on the rookie contract, it usually doesn't come until after their first contract.
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41 minutes ago, dgambill said:
Wanting paid more is not the problem in any of this situation. Holding out is not a problem…it’s a bargaining tool…and a ton of players use it every year in negotiating. The reactions on both sides to that have been both poor imo and the problem. Again imo….I know mine differs from others.
When was the last time a player held out while still on their rookie contract? Serious question because I can't remember one in the last ten years? Since the rookie wage scale came in, usually the earliest you get a hold out is right after their rookie deal is over and they had the franchise tag placed on them (like Barkley/Jacobs this year)
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
And I wouldn't have offered him anything like what Barkley and Jacobs got. They were on the tag, the team had already committed to paying the tag amount, and came up slightly for incentives. The Colts would be tripling Taylor's pay to get him into that same range, and he hasn't even finished his rookie contract yet. I dislike the way teams use the tag as a matter of principle, but expecting a player to finish his rookie contract isn't outrageous.
Thank you! Its been driving me crazy seeing people equating the Barkley/Jacobs situations with Taylor. Barkley and Jacobs finished their rookie contracts, were given the tag and were unsigned. The teams and the RBs negotiated the little bumps on 1 year deals to get them into camp.
Taylor has not finished his rookie contract, he shouldn't be given a single penny more for this season. I am usually all for the players doing what they need to do to get paid since they have such a short shelf life, but not before you finish your rookie deal. That is the bare minimum all players have to do, finish your rookie contract and then do what you need to do.
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AR looked a lot better in the first quarter when they were running a lot more RPOs, which is what I expect our offense to look like the majority of this year.
He had the string of imcompletions (and drops/fall downs) when they went pure dropback. He is clearly going to need to improve at the dropback game, but outside of hurry up situations, I don't expect them to run it a ton this season.
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Pierce really unimpressive in these preseason games, hoping that doesn't carry over to the regular season because I am expecting him to take a big jump forward.
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Assuming AR is done at this point, the passing stats (6/14) don't look nearly as good as I thought he played. I feel pretty good about him going into the regular season.
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4 hours ago, NFLfan said:
Congratulations!
All the best!!
When you realize you have found your QB of the Future, you want the Future to start as soon as possible.
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Honestly, once it was clear Richardson was not completely overwhelmed thus far, this was the only choice. Certainly will make this a super fun year to watch, and I really believe we are going to see some super high highs and will be happy with his progress by the end of the year.
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Said it earlier and will say it again, I can't be bothered to get that worked up over a RB. JT has a contract, if he really wants to leave, he has no choice but to play this year.
If the Colts tag him after this season and he wants to demand a trade then or sit out, he can do what he wants because he won't be under contract.
I do think its hilarious that a running back on his rookie contract really thinks he has any sort of leverage to demand a trade, especially with how limited the RB market is.
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lol Irsay is such a mess, but glad they are taking that stance. You are under contract, you play this year, end of discussion. If they tag JT after this season and he wants to sit out/demand a trade then when he isn't under contract, go for it.
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1 minute ago, w87r said:
He would come back in week 10 to get his accrued season. Would do the same thing in 24+25.
Well you didn't say that, you just said sit out. Sure, if he comes back at that point in the year, he gets his accrued season, and in that case I would definitely just tag him for 24.
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18 minutes ago, w87r said:
As much as I would like some compensation.
I would just love to call his bluff, let him sit out. Then tag him next year and do the same as he doesn't sign tender. Might as well do it again to.
Let him sit for 3yrs
Wouldn't need to tag him, he wouldn't have accrued a year by not playing this year.
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This is all too funny. Demanding a trade while you are still on your rookie contract is ridiculous. I said it before, but I am all for players doing what they need to do to get paid (still would never pay a RB big money), but it has to be AFTER you play out your rookie contract.
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Only one thing matters this year, just how AR develops. Literally every other thing can go wrong, but as long as AR develops well, it will be a success. You can turn an a roster over in two years, as long as you have your QB, you are good to go.
But yes, I am super excited to get to watch a young, talented, dynamic and exciting QB, instead of the corpse of a formerly great QB (Rivers/Ryan), a hopeless reclamation project (Wentz) or a prayer that a backup can be a starter (Jacoby)
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Nope, my husband only likes full face stubble or a beard. I joked that I would grow a mustache years ago and he said he'd grow mutton chops, so I am not messing with that.
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I will say I am usually all for a player who wants to renegotiate a contract, considering NFL contracts are not guaranteed (I hate when players in other sports with guaranteed contracts whine about their contract being outdated), but I can't get on board with a player doing it on his rookie contract. All players need to play the rookie contract and then what you do from there is free game as far as I am concerned.
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
His first 2 seasons he looked pretty good. Similar ypc as CMC. Just far fewer opportunities
You can't even mention Taylor and CMC as receivers in the same breath. CMC could legitimately play slot receiver in the NFL, Taylor can catch screen passes.
I didn't bring up his lack of elite receiving or pass blocking to knock Taylor, just as a point to say that if I were going to pay a RB big money (and I wouldn't under any circumstances), he better be an elite receiver and pass blocker like pre-ACL tear Edge.
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
JT when given the opportunities has been a very good pass catcher. I'm not sure where that narrative is coming from.
He isn't a natural or fluid catcher of the ball. He is fine on screens and short dump offs, but anything else is dicey.
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I think its funny seeing so many here get worked up over this situation. I just can't bring myself to get worked up over a RB, especially one who isn't a great receiver or pass blocker.
Is JT a great runner with the ball in his hands? Clearly. If they sign him to a team friendly deal, great! If not, they will play some rookie RB or cheap vet who will do a fine job at a fraction of the cost and the Colts can use that money on a more important position.
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5 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
He lives in Colorado is why. He loves it there.
If he never played for the Broncos, I doubt he'd be living in Colorado.
As great as Luck was early in his career, if I had the ability to change one thing in Colts history, it would not be winning Super Bowl XLIV, it would be not drafting Luck and just trading the pick for a haul and keeping Peyton and he retired as a Colt.
Seeing how much Peyton is around the Broncos, in 30 years people who never saw him play will be like "wait, Peyton played most of his career for the Colts????"
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Peyton is the best QB ever IMO. I don't care what anyone says about Brady, nothing will change my mind.
It still hurts that he didn't play his whole career with the Colts, and I especially hate how associated he is with the Broncos now. With the amount of times you see him involved with the Broncos you'd think he played his entire career in Denver.
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19 hours ago, craigerb said:
Moderator -- correct this title: Colts going to Berlin!
Yes, please update the title from Berlin to German or Frankfurt, its making my OCD go crazy
But I think its great that these games happen in Europe for multiple reasons. As someone who gets up early, I happen to love the 9:30am starts. I also lived in the UK as a child and would have killed to be able to go to a game in person back then.
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16 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
The 4 WRs who have been the most successful are Pittman, Pierce, Campbell and Downs. They were drafted in rounds 2, 2, 2, and 3.
How can Downs be one of the most successful in the NFL? He hasn't played a snap yet.
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Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Local media never said that.
They absolutely did. Keefer said it multiple times on their latest podcast alone.
All the best!!
Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)
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Well it clearly happened, was just responding to the poster who says that hold outs like this happen all the time. Holdouts like this particular one, do not happen all the time.
As for the contract portion, I don't want to give him any new contract. Prior to this hold in, I didnt want to extend him. I would have just franchised him after this year and then moved on. I would not give any RB a big contract, and certainly would not give one to an incomplete back like JT.