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    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    54 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

    The fact that they have offers out there tells you they see them as added value to the team.  1. Just because you don’t think Landry is any good means nothing.  They obviously do or they wouldn’t be pursuing him.  He’s out there because the Browns added a very good receiver and they decided they couldn’t afford both.  2. It’s called allocation of resources.  Putting money to use elsewhere. 3.  You have no idea what their plans are for Tyrann.  5. What we do know is they want to sign him.  We will find out what there plans are for him and Moore when they sign him. 4. Tyrann and Landry are difference makers.   Our current safeties , corners and receivers are not. Pretty easy to see why we are pursuing these two players.

    1.  I said he is not that good as a WR1 and that is the price he wants WR1

    2. Which is what Ballard is doing with the Colts

    3. Neither do you

    4. They are difference makers as a #2 receiver (we already have that in Pitt) and a slot corner  (we already have that in Moore)

    5.  Out of order but anyway.    Yes they want them but maybe not in the role they expect so the asking price is different than what Ballard wants to pay.

     

    I am not un board for HB to replace Moore. No freakin way!!!!! As a safety at a lesser pay sure.

     

    I am not on board for Landry to be a replacement #2 over Pitt.  No freakin way.  We still would need a WR1 as a WR2b or WR3 sure.  But not at 20m a yr. 

     

    Their price needs to be what their value is to the Colts.   

     

    Glad some of you are not in charge of my bank account. LOL

     

     

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    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    14 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

     

    The logic is if you need some above average players, especially in positions of need and even more especially premium positions and some other team outbids you, you fail to elevate your team to the level of other teams and risk division titles and even wildcard spots.....and then you become average and irrelevant because of not spending a few million dollars here and there. 

    Or the FO doesn't value certain players the way fans do.   I am not positive but I think LT is already on the team.  Honey Badgers best position is what Kenny Moore plays and was graded lower than Kenny so he would have to play another position, which he is not as good at.  So how much of an upgrade will he really be?   Ballard has offers out for HB but probably not for the price he thinks he deserves at the slot CB  Probably a safety at a lower rate Because again he is good but not as good there. 

     

    Landry wants #1 receiver money and is not a #1 receiver.  He wouldn't even be the #1 receiver on the Colts.   So do you pay a #2 receiver WR1 money?  I wouldn't.  He's not that good And a reason he's still available and just fired his agent. LOL 

     

    Vet WR.   Does everyone want one because of leadership?  If so sign TY. and don't forget we now have Reggie who will fill a big part of the leadership and mentor roles.

     

    The few million you talk about is fine IF you are getting a lot more out of a player than what you already have.  If not. It's wasting money.

     

    I think we have WR's already on this team that will elevate   Plus I think they will add in the draft.  Matt Ryan alone will make the receivers better 

     

    Who else?     

     

    Price vs value.   Same as shopping for anything. 

     

     

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    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    47 minutes ago, Shive said:

    The issue is that they are both players that want to be paid for past performance that they will most likely never live up to. That's what Ballard is all about. We'll pay you what we think you'll do for us, not what you did for someone else before and I think that's where most fans get upset with Ballard.

     

    Wins Above Replacement (WAR) is a concept used in analytics (especially in baseball, but has been applied to the NFL as well) that attempts to determine the value of a player already on your team with the value of a player that would replace them, and how many additional wins that change could result in. While I think quantifying players is a really hard thing to do, I think it's worth thinking whether or not Landry is significantly better than the player he would be replacing and whether the pay he would require is worth it. The same goes with Honey Badger.

     

    I think Ryan as our QB instantly elevates the play of our existing WRs and while Landry has been a really good slot WR, I don't see the value with how much he's asking for, especially with such a stacked draft class. There's value in a veteran presence, but Wayne helps in that regard, and there are still veteran FAs that could fill that role for less than Landry.

     

    Mathieu is a bit of a wild card, because he was best playing in the slot in KC and with Kenny Moore there, he doesn't provide an upgrade there. If his performance with KC was more due to how KC was utilizing him and he could play the FS role in Bradley's scheme well, I think he could be worth close to what he's asking for. The question is, are you getting another top tier slot CB or a FS that can play the centerfielder role? That's where it may or may not make sense to pay Mathieu what he's asking.

    Great post.  But doubt some on this board will actually consider this logic. 

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    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    10 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    Problem with this is, he doesn't spend enough to get that over the top player. If we got Honey Badger and Landry both, we could make the SB IMO.

    According to Muffy's post/ link.  We have the best offer on the table for HB.    And I really don't think Landry is worth what he thinks he is.     

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    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    39 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

     

    I heard something about that on JMV on YouTube. I didn't have much time to listen cause I took my granddaughter to Barrett- Jackson car show/auction here in palm beach. She bought(I paid lol) so much memorabilia :D and seen a new orange Corvette and wants it. She already knows how to shift & steer! 

    Back to Ballard being frugal, I'll try and listen later.,..but it's nothing we didn't already know. 

     

    Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

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    23 hours ago, Bert Johns said:

    Free agency has started and he only has signed one of his own players staying out of the first day feeding frenzy. This is his pattern. First week goes by and waits to see what's left it seems like while most difference makers are all gone. 

    SMH.    How is this a surprise to anyone??? He has told everyone he WONT spend big in the first days of FA

     

    I am staying away from this sight for the most part.    Would love it if all the rumors were deleted.

     

    Only on here to see a new thread that says we have signed_________

     

    Ya'll are nuts 

     

     

     

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