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6 hours ago, will426 said:
I seriously can't give him that much credit on most of his play designs it's luck improvising or throwing the ball with someone hanging on him for a completion...it makes no sense how you can have 3 step stops for Mh last year but then you get luck back and revert to 5-7 step drops knowing this line is atrocious 85% of the time..so technically he'd rather help the bench player not be hit than is starter but he's getting praise pshhh
I used to think that at first it was Arians' offensive philosophy that led Luck to drop back and look to take deep shots down the field. However, Arians left and in walked in Pep Hamilton. Even with Pep, Luck took 5-7 step drops and took shots deep down the field on a consistent basis. Pep was relieved of his duties and in walked in Chud. Luck is still taking 5-7 step drops and taking deep shots down the field.
At first I blamed the OCs, but now the only common denominator is Luck. I think two things factor into this:
1. The OCs see this as Luck's strength, and as a good coach, you play to your QBs strengths.
2. Luck prefers to play this style of football. He likes to utilize the speed of the receivers and trusts that he can make the necessary throws.
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7 minutes ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said:
What do you mean?
Luck led Moncrief directly towards a defender when Moncrief was injured earlier during the season. Luck threw a high pass and left him defenseless.
Last week, Luck led Moncrief too much and Moncrief didn't go after the ball, and instead protected himself from being hit. After the game he said something to the effect of "some throws that could've gotten him hurt."
Today, after Moncrief's TD catch, Luck ran up to Moncrief and he didn't even look at Luck. He gave everyone else hugs and high fives.
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Noticeable tension from Moncrief towards Luck. Not sure if anyone else has noticed?
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They cut Coffman but kept Street? Do we need more drops?
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We know who Joe Thomas is. He is a big name player. Grigson will not go after him. He'll trade for Ben Smithers? Heard of him? Me neither...a perfect Grigson hidden gem. Problem solved. Don't go after proven players, that's too easy.
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On 10/19/2016 at 0:20 AM, AZColt11 said:
One thing is guaranteed: if Pags is fired and someone else comes in there will not be any consensus that the pick is a good hire.
I agree. It will play out on the field over time whether the next coaching decision is a good one or not.
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Catchable. Hilton is what, 1/2 foot off the ground? It's a high throw, but not too high. Definitely catchable.
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1 minute ago, bluxco said:
I never said it was all LUCK.GRIGSON and PAGANO should have been fired two years ago.The 3-4 defense sucks.You can honestly say LUCK is a no.1 pick at qb?Id rather have CARR,FLYNN,OSWEILER,RIVERS,FOLES,BRADFORD and not think twice about it.Go back to the 4-3,sign as many quality f/as as possible,draft defense and start building.This organazation stinks
...and we've just hit intellectual bedrock with the shovel of a very uninformed post.
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Isn't Aaron Rogers on deck for next weekend?
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I am usually not the type of person to call for a coaching change mid-season, but at this point, what do we have to lost by firing Pagano? We are not a playoff contending team. Let's see if another head coach can actually make adjustments. The way I see it, Pagano is gone after this season, regardless. Let's see if we have 'the next guy' on our staff...aka Chud or someone else.
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The Colts D has actually played well. The offense is working against our D. Luck basically handed the Chiefs 10 points.
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This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy about Luck. He will string together games where he is playing really well and then come out and fumble and throw INTs, miss open receivers. It's frustrating because we all know when he is locked in, he can be elite. But with all of the miscues, he's not there yet.
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First, it was the story about Osweiller on NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000729192/article/brock-osweilers-fairytale-has-turned-into-a-nightmare
...and now this about Bortles. It's official, the AFC South is a joke and with our defense, we can't even capitalize on it. We lost to both QBs.
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This year's Colts defense ranks as one of the worst in franchise history. You can make an argument that the defense is struggling because of injuries. However, some of the other worst ranked defenses have also come in the Pagano era. Grigs and Pagano have not done a good job building the defense.
I get that pointing the finger at the new D coordinator is not appropriate since he A) has not had a healthy squad, and B) does not have the talent to work with, however, he also has not made any positive contributions to overcome circumstances.
The one time that we finally had a healthy defense was against Jacksonville, where the defense allowed a struggling, inept Jacksonville team to win and score 30 points.
Unfortunately, I think it's an overall poor effort by the front office, coaching, D-coordinator, and poor personnel that has led to the sad state of our defense. This is not going to be an easy fix, even if we add talent to the defense, like we have been doing, (although very slowly).
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10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
He's made one bad trade. The Trent trade.
What were the other ones? Refresh my memory..............
Well to be fair, he did trade Jerry Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard (no longer on the team), and he traded for Sio Moore, (no longer on the team). None as bad as the Trent Trade, but not good either.
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To me, the major difference is the defense. Luck has led the team to the same type of come backs he has in the past, or has provided the lead, only to see it slip away due to poor defensive performances. The defense allowed the Lions to win the game with only 30 seconds remaining. The defense allowed the Texans to come from behind after being up 23-9 midway through the 4th quarter. Even in the games that the Colts have won, the defense has played horribly.
1. Relying on a much older Mathis was not a good decision, especially knowing that we had no depth behind him.
2. The inability to find a competent #2 CB alongside V. Davis has been an on-going issue. Patrick Robinson was not a good signing. Of course, that's subject to change, but it's up to Robinson to prove that.
3. Not matching Jerrel Freeman's contract (incentives) was a mistake. By not re-signing Freeman, we created another whole to fill, one that neither Morrison, Irving, Moore, or McNary have been able to fill adequately.
4. Injuries gallore, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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Dumb.
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He took an already bad defense and made it worse.
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4 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
What moves would you have preferred to see him make this past offseason?
I personally would've like for Grigson to go after Casey Hayward instead of Patrick Robinson.
And I would've like for Grigson to fight harder to retain Freeman.
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8 hours ago, JPFolks said:
Flash,
Finally, someone who actually supports their disagreement with a sound argument. Thank you for that.
In your response you make a good point if the purpose of Luck playing QB is to avoid injury at all cost, including losing games. If that is the beginning and end of his purpose, then you've won the argument, I see it differently however. Let's say he literally was risking a major injury on that play (I disagree, but for the sake of forwarding the argument), the pressure was coming just as you say, from the right and from behind, He has two options at that point, move to safety, or throw the ball and hope he doesn't get hit anyway. But, I believe he also MUST add to that decision whether they can win or lose based on what he does.
By losing the game, he's now put far more pressure on the entire team to take "at all costs" type risks the rest of the season, including himself. From the coaching staff to executives to every active and inactive player, 1-3 puts all of them in danger, not just of injury, and I would argue that pressure to play injured, to come back early from injury or to simply play injured just skyrocketed. If the reason he didn't move left, away from pressure and towards a first down, was fear of injury over fear of losing, he has, by that decision, put everyone at all levels of the team, in more dangerous conditions going forward, The risk assessment was faulty.
The far lower risk was to evade the pressure towards the first down. You said the distance was farther than 2 yards, let's say it was. If he moves toward safety and somehow fails to get the needed yardage, I think it is still a better and safer decision. Tossing the ball put him in all sorts of danger if he was under the pressure you described. QBs regularly get clobbered on completed passes legally. Regardless of whether the distance forward and to the left was 2 yards to a first down or 5 yards, it was the place where there wasn't two guys ready to crush him and for a fast, agile and powerful runner like Luck, even if it was the full 5 yards, it was wide open and he more likely than not would have made it to a first down on the edge of game tying field goal range with plenty of time to go. Throwing the ball was an all or nothing proposition with both the passer and receiver under duress. At worst, the risk was cut in half by eliminating one of two players who could each fail.
You may still disagree Flash, but I do appreciate someone who makes an intelligent argument to support his point, whether it agrees with mine or not contrary to trolldom lore. Now others can add their views or weigh the points for themselves. But for those who just troll either side with empty contrarian statements for the sake of obstinance against a person rather than a topic, it isn't debate or disagreement or fun conversation...it's just stereotypical Internet trolldom.
Hi JPFolks,
Thanks for the civil discussion. In order to better illustrate my points, I have included some still frames from the 4th-and-1 play. First, I would like to point out the distance needed for the 1st down. Luck had to get to the 49 yard marker, just at Dwayne Allen's head in the freeze frame. That's roughly 5 yards. Please note that Luck had time to throw without putting himself in danger (shown in the frame), however, he would've taken a hit from #99 and 91 had he decided to run.
Secondly, in the frame above, you can see how open Dwayne Allen is. Remember, the play call was a pass, so the decision to throw a pass wasn't necessarily a bad one. Secondly, given how open Allen was, I would still argue that Luck's decision to make the throw instead of running was the correct decision. However, the ball placement was poor. Also, note that Allen has the defender to his back. If he ran a precise route, (a square out) the defender would have had to go through him to get to the ball.
Instead, in this frame, you can see that Allen has started drifting up field. This allowed the defender to undercut the pass and get his hand on Allen's wrist, (photo below).
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Alrighty.....should we pin an "Irsay Complaints" thread too?
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3 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:
I don't get to watch every Colts game as I live in Colorado, but I do know that we fall behind in the 1st half nearly game in every season and have to play "Comeback Kid". You never watch the halftime show and have the announcer say "Colts are up 21-7 at the half. No, it's always "Colts are trailing 21-7 at the half. That falls on Pagano as he can't outsmart anyone as a coach, and it falls on Luck as he can't dissect a defense when it's playing 100% back at him. All Luck can really do when the game is close is throwing little passes to the rbs and tes and try to run it to get a couple yards here and there. Gore will pick up some of the slack, but there's no big plays early, no big drives, Luck isn't good enough when the defense is playing back at him. The only time Luck scores tds, makes drives, and piles up stats, is in the 2nd half when the defense gives him some throws when the game is almost out of hand.
I read your post and wanted to see if I could refute your points. Unfortunately, you are right in some areas of your argument.
Luck is horrible in the first quarter (not just the last game, with so many dropped passes, but overall in the 1st quarter). Per ESPN stat splits, so far this year in the 1st Quarter Luck is 16 of 37 for 148 yards, and just 43.2% completion percentage, with 0 TDs and 1 INT, 43.5 QB rating.
Pagano and Co. may have something to do with this, lack of preparation, etc... however, Luck is not doing the team any favors with his horrible play in the 1st quarter.
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21 minutes ago, rockywoj said:
Luck could have run for it, with ease, but Allen was open, so the pass is understandable. What's not being mentioned is that the throw was off the mark. The ball should have been thrown more to Allen's right, away from the defender. Luck does not yet compare to Manning in the accuracy department in putting balls where they are most easily caught by the receiver. It's kind of becoming quite frustrating.
On the OC and HC for not running the best offense (hurry-up) for the 1st three quarters of every game, though to be fair, five first quarter drops stalled the offense. Also frustrating is that it seems so obvious to so many that the offense needs to become a lot more urgent. Even a credible Reggie Wayne agrees!
What is bugging me is that great coaches adjust and adapt, but the Colts game-planning is not adapting and adjusting in a timely manner. I mean, breaking news, a grinding running game and stud defense the Colts do not have! Time to open up the offense with a sense of 4th quarter urgency, from the first whistle ... to build up the lead and put your defense in a position of playing with the lead. I say just gotta do this until the defense and OL mature and come together, otherwise, it will be a loooooong season.
Hey, Rockywoj -- Good post. I have read a few posters mention the ball placement. Actually, what I haven't read on here was why Allen moved up the field, away from Luck on that play.
Allen had the defender to his back and had him walled off, but instead of running away from the defender, he ran away and up field. This allowed the defender to undercut the pass, which led to the pass breakup below. Allen should have run a more precise route to shield the defender away from the ball. If you watch the replay, you can see Allen drifting up field, instead of across the field.
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59 minutes ago, threeflight said:
To me, Luck is a pretty smart guy. Probably more book smart than football smart.
The issue I have is this. He came out of college and was touted by many as the second Manning when it came to football smarts. And so far, I have seen nothing of the sort. He still makes many of the same mistakes he did as a rookie. He still locks in on guys. He fails to audible. He fails to recognize certain coverages. Don't get me wrong, he is a good guy and a smart guy, but he is not a football savant as many said he was coming out of Stanford. And he certainly is not worthy of being the highest paid player in football.
The play yesterday where he passed instead of getting one more yard? Total bone head move and I don't care what anyone says. All he had to do was dive and it was first down.
Respectfully, I would like to address some of the points that you have raised:
1. "He came out of college and was touted by many as the second Manning when it came to football smarts." Which version of "Manning" are you comparing Andrew Luck to? Are you talking about the seasoned veteran Manning that many now consider a lock for the Hall of Fame, or are you talking about Manning in his fifth year -- the Manning that still hadn't won a playoff game? I think you get my point. Andrew is on par with Manning's career.
2. "To me, Luck is a pretty smart guy. Probably more book smart than football smart."
On this forum there are numerous posts and threads discussing how the Colts offense runs better in a hurry-up offense. Coincidentally, that's when Luck is in more control of the offense. This would be contradictory to your claim that Luck is not football smart. When he is given more control, the offense runs more efficiently.
3. Total bone head move and I don't care what anyone says. All he had to do was dive and it was first down.
Intellectually, taking the stance of "I don't care what anyone says" is short sighted. Ideally, if presented with new information, you should always be willing to change your stance to improve your understanding. As for the play: Luck was in the shotgun formation when he received the snap. He was 4-yards behind the line of scrimmage. Then he took two steps back, surveyed the field, felt the pressure and moved to his left and then into the pocket toward the line of scrimmage. He was 5-yards away from the first down marker when he threw the ball -- that would mean that he had to dive for 15 feet to get the first down. Simply put, he couldn't dive for the first down. He could have run for the first down, knowing that he would have taken a hit from a defender to his right and to his left. He would've been sandwiched, just like in the Denver game when he sustained a season ending injury, which brings up point #4:
4. He still makes many of the same mistakes he did as a rookie.
The last play is a perfect illustration of Luck learning from his mistakes. He learned to protect himself and live to play another game.
In this picture. Luck needs to get to the white line just above Mewhort's helmet. As you can see, there is a defender to his right, and to his left. He would've taken a similar hit, just like the Denver game. I would also add that if he ran, it still would've been a close call. Not the guarantee that many on this forum seem to think that it is.
Best game of Lucks career...
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In 2014 Luck sat out in the 4th quarter against the Jaguars and the Titans. I think he had back-to-back 4 TD games.