trisca01
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Great news. Looking forward to Reggie's return!
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Also after catching the ball - he seems to have a knack for some quality YAC.
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I am really starting to have some football withdrawals. So I went back and watched several of our games that I had recorded from last season including both of our playoff games. One thing that just completely stuck out was Griff Whalen. This guy works his tail off, catches almost everything thrown to him and is very shifty. I will be shocked and disappointed if he is does not make this team and in the regular rotation next year.
I am surprised that this board seems so "eh" about him. He was extremely productive, especially in 3rd down. I would say, outside of Hilton, he made the biggest impact - especially late in the season.
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I haven't read anybody say stats do not matter.I have seen plenty of Trent. Cherry picking plays and games isn't gonna make him seem good.
Stats matter on every runningback except Trent somehow.
Some serious exaggeration is going on here.If Trent manages to pick up 1 first down on 20 attempts he shows promise ..,....
For example, the following statement is an exaggeration but I think you will find it equally useless... He picks up 20 first downs on 20 attempts but only gains 40 yards (because he gets hit 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage each time), therefore he is awesome.
Couple problems with this statement. First off - if consistency is so important then why do you downplay the fact that he has had 3 offensive coordinators in 2 years?It doesn't work that way, consistency is vital in the NFL and Trent is consistently bad.
Secondly, for running backs, it is quite often the case that on several carries the yards gained are 3 or less. Most of the time it is the outliers of 10-15 yard carries that bumps up the ypc average. Which is pretty much the definition of inconsistency on a play-by-play basis. Obviously most running backs are more consistent if you look at it from a game-by-game perspective. However, Trent's opportunities were greatly limited later in the season (rightfully so - Donald was running much better then Trent).
Again - I am not saying Trent had a good year or any good particular game. All I am saying (along with many others) is that I am optimistic about his future. You look at the stats and disagree - fine, that is your opinion.
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If you have to ask what watching the game is going to accomplish then that tells me all I need to know about your evaluation method. How about 3rd and 2, Richardson gets hit 2 yards in the backfield and manages to get the first down by an inch. The stat will tell you that he picked up 2 yards on 1 carry - actually watching the game will tell you much more.What is watching the game again going to accomplish ? The numbers tell the tale of a runningback who can not run. Even on Cleveland he couldn't run.
8 carries for 8 yards against the Colts run defense in 2012 .... How many did Blount put on us in the playoff game this season ? We don't have a good run defense, haven't in years, but Richardson came to town and made them look elite.
Don't look at the stats .....
What is he the first game managing runningback ? Stats are what matters at his position. He is an average pass blocker and can catch the ball sometimes, that's it.
Runningbacks who can catch are nice, come in handy sometimes, but their main job is to run the ball.
I would take a runningback who was putting up 4+ ypc over a runningback who can sometimes get you 40 yards receiving in a game.
His stats were beyond poor, they were the worst. He manages to break a run for 22 yards in a game and because of that he shows promise ??
You gotta be realistic, the guy showed nothing all season. You can hope he turns it around and you can be his cheerleader but you can't ignore his stats, he was horrible as a Colt
While you are reviewing film take a peek at the last Jacksonville game and also the 2nd half of the Seahawks game. He certainly showed promise. There isn't anybody, that I have heard, saying he had a good year or even a single good game. There are only people saying that, BY WATCHING HIM PLAY, they see reason to believe that he will do better and are hopeful about his potential.
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Its as likely as them leaving the roof open and Trent flying in on a unicorn.
The hate is very strong when I ask a question and even reiterate that I didn't ask you how likely you thought it would be and you still can't resist. It certainly says a lot about your bias.
Unless Richardson becomes a top 10 runningback then Grigson wasted a 1st round pick. Being a decent or solid runningback is not good enough, not for what he paid.
So if I am understanding you correctly, if Trent is a top 10 running back next year you would believe the trade to be a good one?
You have expressed your view on Richardson (ad nauseam). Why not just wait and see if he can prove himself next season (because, even according to you, there would be a performance in which the trade would be satisfactory for you)?
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I dont see anyone coming out ahead in the Trent Richardson bust-o-rama.
Just curious, if Trent has a very successful season next year (defined however you would like - keep in mind this is a hypothetical... Also, please notice I didn't ask how likely you thought that would be), what would your view of the trade be then?
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Love coming to a colts forum and reading browns and colts fans constantly throw our players under the bus.
It's quite entertaining. I can just picture a certain few posters when they wake up in the morning... "I have to hurry and check to see if anyone has said anything positive about Trent Richardson!"
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Were essentially clinging at straws. He's gonna resign, and encouraged the browns to match offers. Having a coaching turnaround means nothing since that was to be expected.
Really? The media and fans seemed to be quite shocked.
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I would say what he cost is very relivent to his performance.
Cleveland paid a 1st rounder and 2 other picks for him, yet they traded him away for a fraction of that only a season later.
For what they gave and what they got in return why didnt they asked for at least one more late round pick based on meeting certain performance goals ?
I would say because they knew he couldnt match any goals and they didnt want to negotiate they just wanted to dump him off as fast as they could before he was exposed for what he was.
If they had kept him another season they would have gotten nothing in return. We were a dream come true for them, a chance to lessen the blow.
So we gave up a first for him. Now the question is what did we get ? Did we get a guy who should only be used in 3rd and 1 situations ?
The draft pick we gave up for him makes a world of difference.
His being here is costing more money then his level of play is worth and has also stopped us from picking up a good player who could contribute right away in this years 1st round.
The only thing I will say is there are some serious assumptions being made here.
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So a guy who can sometimes get you a yard when you need it is worthy of a first round pick ?
What if its 3rd and 3 ?
What if its first and 10 ?
I'm not saying to cut him yet, I'm just saying we were robbed by the Browns and every time Richardson is handed the ball Grigson should be ashamed.
If Richardson doesnt improve next year then he might as well be cut, if he doesnt produce and has zero trade value then he serves no purpose.
If he does produce and we have a run game then I will be the first to admit I was wrong, but I dont see that happening.
I haven't said anything with regards to what we gave up for him. Did we give up too much for him? That is yet to be seen; but it is done and over with now and I would rather focus on what he does on the field rather than what I think he should deliver based on how much he costed us.
To answer your question: yes that person is worth a 1st round draft pick for getting 1 yard IF nobody else could get that same yard in the same circumstance. Now was that the case? Probably not, however, a first down is a first down and I am not going to come on this board and complain if he averages 1 ypc if every one of those yards got us a first down (obviously this wasn't the case completely but you get the point).
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This board is crazy. Trent was not overly impressive this season, however, when he got in open space (like nearly every time he caught a screen pass out of the backfield) he looked very good and consistently made at least 1 person miss or ran through one person. (I will admit that when the d-line got penetration on power run plays, it seemed like he went down with a shoe-string tackle way too much)
3rd and 1.... Colts in the I-formation.... Richardson gets the hand-off up the middle... He is hit 1 yard in the back field and manages to push through for a 1 yard gain for a first down.... Colts Board's reaction - "I can't believe this scrub can't even rush for 3 ypc! Cut him!"
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I disagree. Every NFL player does not look as good in open space as Richardson.Any NFL player looks good in the open field, or with field in front of them. He is a RB not a strict screen pass catcher. You know how 1 dimensional we'd be if every play that Rich was in led to a pass to Rich? He hasn't shown crap imo.
I will admit though; he is much more likely to go down with a shoe-string tackle than a squared-up full-body tackle.
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I have been, and will continue to be, patient with Richardson. I don't understand how people have not seen potential, especially when he is in open space coming out of the backfield catching screens. However, I would be lying if I said I wasn't yelling at the screen when he got tripped (gif on first post).
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I ain't sold on Grigson as a talent evaluator yet.
He took Luck which was a no brainer, and had a decent draft that year. This past draft he did not do nearly as well and he also brought in a lot of free agents who did little or nothing.
I hope Grigson and Richardson both come back strong for the good of the team, but I dont think Richardson will, which will hurt a little, but if Grigson doesnt then it will hurt a lot.
On the flip side, I am definitely not sold on the Browns evaluating talent. Richardson had a very solid first year for them.
If you honestly think Grigs had just a "decent" first year (draft and free agency) I think your expectations are much too lofty/unrealistic. It is not the norm to hit a home run with every acquisition (although he almost did). This year is probably more of the norm.
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If he was any good then why would the Browns trade him for much less then they had invested in him a year earlier ?
You dont buy a new Mercedes then trade it to your brother in-law for a Hyundai a year later.
Do you think the Colts were calling teams asking if they would trade their starting running back ? I dont think so, because nobody would. I think either the Browns approached them or the Colts called asking about someone else and were unexpectedly offered Richardson.
I would stack the line against him too, he has no speed to get outside and no moves to make anyone miss.
I can't believe the coaches didnt beat his dancing out of him, it hurt and never helped.
He can block better then Donald and he can ............ Well he blocks better then Donald.
I was never in love with Donald Brown and I still ain't. He was a bad pick made by a GM that seemed to strike out more then hit a home run with his first round picks during his last years here.
Brown stepped up his game this year, but still not enough to earn his pick either.
If you can convince me any team in the league would give a 3rd rounder for Richardson then I might reevaluate my stance, but I dont think you could get more then a 6th for him after this season. The guy did nothing.
Not that I was overly impressed with him this year (for the record I believe Brown was the better runner this year) but you can flip it around just as easy to counter what you said. If he wasn't any good then why would Grigs trade a 1st round pick for him (even after he had a chance to see him playing in the NFL for a year)?
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3 down and 1 yard to go. Colts are in the I-formation. They hand it to Richardson who is hit 1 yard in the back field and manages to fall forward for a 1 yard gain; just enough for a first down.
Colts Forum: "Richardson sucks, he can't even average 3 yards a carry!"
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I'm not sold on Luck. Wish we drafted RG3.
I wish/hope this is a joke. Judging by his previous posts though, unfortunately, I don't think that is the case.
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What ever happened to the screen game???
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I would be perfectly happy with this team completely focussing on defense and leaving the offense alone over the offseason. For just once I would love to have a semi-dominant defense.
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He usually is a good receiving fullback. We have to put it behind us, and come out on fire. Defense and offense.
He may be a good receiving fullback but he not a better option than a running back.
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We really need to get the screen game going. I know Richardson is in the dog house and all but he has to be a better option than the FB out of the backfield.
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Most likely the reason is the oline requires great cohesion. They were probably worried about throwing a rookie in this situation halfway or 3/4 of the way through the season.