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One of the things looking back on Ballard's time with the Bears and Chiefs I think that stands out is the linebackers on those rosters. Urlacher was drafted a year before Ballard got to Chicago, but the point still remains, he's had quality linebackers. They've been the face of the defenses on those rosters. So to that end, if the Colts move back, what if it isn't for the OL or Chubb at all, but for Edmunds? The more I look at Tremaine Edmunds, the more I fall in love with his game. The question I ask is, would Edmunds do more at LB than Chubb could do at DE? Which position is more valuable? By all accounts, Edmunds is a day one starter, year end all-pro kind of talent. If the Colts did find a trade with the Jets, and swapped firsts (3 for 6), and then also got NY's second rounder (37) and their 4th (107), how would we feel about Edmunds being the pick? And for the sake of stomaching this scenario, lets also say the first five picks go Barkley to Cleveland, Nelson to NY, Jets take Rosen, Darnold to Cleveland, and Allen to the Broncos. So Chubb is there still for the Colts. The quality of edge rushers, especially DEs decreases quickly, so those extra picks gained don't make up for the talent fall off from Chubb. But the same can be argued with Edmunds and LB. For example, if the Colts ended up with Edmunds at 6, and say a Chad Thomas from Miami in the third, is that better than Chubb at 3 or 6, and a Jerome Baker? I'm starting to lean away from Chubb and more toward Edmunds and I'm not sure I should be or why...
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The Giants can’t take a player who won’t directly help get the most out of the last of Eli. The Giants will take Nelson, Barkley, or Eli’s eventual replacement.
The Colts I don’t think can go wrong with Chubb, Nelson, or Barkley, or a trade down which results in one of them. And the joy of being at 3, one of those players will be there.
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17 hours ago, ColtsBlitz said:
Not Scarborough. At the NFL level you need to be more shifty than he is, and he’s a straight liner.
Penny looks very good. He didn’t show any pass pro plays, but his running ability is unique for sure. I’d take him in the 2nd if we go with Chubb or Nelson r1.
I live in SEC country and the phrase used to describe Scarborough has always been looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane, and I don’t think that’s far from the truth. The kid is chiseled but plays soft, and substantially under achieved - to me. I’d literally prefer almost any other back. I think Scarborough will end up the worst of the recent Alabama RBs, and that’s saying a lot I know, with the likes of Richardson still fresh on our minds.
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18 hours ago, stitches said:
Are we sure Barkley can overcome a bad O-line?
Barkley also averaged 6.5 yards every time he touched the ball, and scored a TD every 15 times he touched the ball for his career. As an aside, 9 players from the Mountain West got drafted last year, whereas 12 members of Ohio St alone did. Penny won’t see many familiar faces tackling him next season. The Big 10 had 6 of the top 20 rushing defenses in the NCAA last season. Barkley will do just fine whenever he ends up.
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23 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
When was the last time any football player had to run a 40 without an impediment of some kid nd
Yeah I hate it when a running back turns a routine carry into a touchdown from 70 yards away. Stupid speed. Especially for an indoor team, on carpet. Speed isn't useful at all. I think the Colts should just resign Gore for another 4 year deal so we know there won't be any run longer than 20 yards. I love second and 8 and third and 6. Stringing together 32 play drives all afternoon. That's where it's at.
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14 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Here are the college carries for some top RB's you know...
Todd Gurley 3 years, 510 carries
Zeke Elliott 3 years, 592 carries
Lenard Fournette 3 years, 616 carries
Nick Chubb 4 years, 758 carries. If you subtract his one injured year where he had 92 carries, he still had 666 carries in his three full seasons.
Forget the average carries per game number..... Chubb has far more carries in his college career than most any other leading running back. The NFL views him as having a lot of miles on his legs.... that he's lost tred off his tires. Hopefully this doesn't cost him much.
Other notes: Melvin Gordon had 531 carries in his 4 years.... but Royce Freeman is the big winner of most carries..... in his four years, he ran the ball 947 carries. That's a HUGE number. He might fall to the Colts at the top of the 4th round because of the work load...
Right, which shows how far we've come in recent years limiting carries... it may well be a lot for today, but it is still a ton less than it was for most featured backs just a generation ago. Heck, he isn't even in the top 5 in career carries in this draft class...
Zeke in his last year, in 13 games averaged nearly 25 touches a game. Add Elliott's receptions, and he's at 660 touches a season not counting special teams returns. Gurley played in 16 games his last two seasons, and had Chubb and Michel there to split carries with. His freshmen year he averaged 13 touches a game, in line with how Georgia has handled it's RB talent - Chubb is at 16. Fournette played in 7 games as a junior, but as a sophomore had 319 touches in 12 games for an average of 26.5 touches a game - and what happened the next year? He broke down...
Pumphrey, who Penny took over for at SDSU had 1059 career carries. And had they not had Pumphrey, Penny would have been in the same boat - last year 22 carries a game and around 25 total touches a game, so it is the SDSU model. Justin Jackson from Northwestern, 1142 carries, and he's available in this draft too. So it's relative.
My main point was, at 16 carries a game, we've come a long way, for the most part, from making kids have 30 touches a game. A huge number this season was a part time/split carries back just a couple of classes ago. For the most part I see the NCAA being a lot more like the NFL, where multiple backs and splitting carries is the norm. The NCAA wasn't like that even recently, some schools are still leaning way too heavily on one back.
We can redefine what workshorse means, but Chubb wasn't asked to do what Ron Dayne, Cedric Benson, Donald Pumphrey, or Royce Freeman were asked to do. Chubb ranks 161st all time in carries. There are 8 guys in this draft class alone who had more career carries than Chubb did.
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For a team desperately needing to improve defensively, add talent, depth, and speed, not to mention adding at least some players who will be be better suited to a 4-3 primarily zone coverage, versus the 3-4 primarily man, I would have bet that we'd see a D heavy draft. Yet, as the roster stands, there is no RB on the roster who has any experience being the workhorse. Mack at his most used was a 16 carry a game player as a junior in college, less as a senior, less still in the pros. I think we will see a RB picked who can be a more typical first and second down back than Mack is built to do.
As an aside, Chubb averaged the same number of carries a game as Marlon Mack did in college. And in 15 games last year, he had under 15 carries a game (adding only 4 total catches to 223 carries). We think he was some workhorse, but he wasn't - Georgia ran the ball a ton, but split carries, so it seemed that way, looked that way, felt that way. Players like Penny and Jones got over 22 carries a game. As much as I hate to say it, I think someone talent-wise like Chubb or Freeman is going to be needed to balance Mack, and that's going to take a third round pick at the highest.
We could do the same topic just ask Ballard and WRs when (or if) the Colts don't re-sign Moncrief. The talent drop off after TY is substantial, just as there is a void at RB now...
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16 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I'm not at all surprised to hear this....
I've heard Polian say many times, the RB makes the O-line, the O-line doesn't make the RB.
I'll just say that I respectfully disagree, and I thnk it's clear that many NFL teams disagree as well.
Polian spent five first round picks on RBs in his career - so he kinda has to say the RB makes the line.
Edge, Addai, Brown with the Colts, Biakabutuka with the Panthers, and Ronnie Harmon with the Bills. For those who care, Thurman Thomas slipped into the second round after an injury, or it really could have been 6. I'd say Bill liked his RBs...
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Garcon almost deserved his contract. Josh Morgan got $12 million in his first two years of his deal that same off season from the Redskins. RGIII needed WRs, and the Redskins overpaid. The Redskins, full of optimism and hope for a bright future, got out over their skis a bit that off season.
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1 hour ago, BOTT said:
How does Toub keep popping up?
This. He wasn’t even interviewed by anyone was he?
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2 hours ago, ThorstenDenmark said:
How many of the 5 Brady rings were on the defence?
Actually the New England D was in the top 8 in terms of scoring D, ultimately the only D stat that matters in a game won by outscoring your opponent, in every single one. And was ranked #1 in scoring D twice.
The truth is, however, that statistically speaking, Super Bowl winners tend to be exceptionally good at both - they rank in the top 10 in both scoring D and scoring O. I think it’s something like 33 of the SB winners have been in the top 10 in both categories hat year. That’s about a 63% clip.
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4 minutes ago, Andrew86 said:
I know I might just be a rookie on this site but I’ve been a colts fan for 20 years. I don’t like where the Colts are right now. I’m allowed to have that opinion as a fan. I’m not going to blindly drink the kool aid and say everything is amazing when it’s not. I hope I am wrong, I hope Reich turns into the next hall of fame coach but I’m not going to just lie and pretend it’s the best hire ever when I don’t feel that way. The sad truth is one of us is going to be right, one of us is going to be wrong and only time will tell.
It isn’t your opinion that’s being questioned, it’s your over the top negativity. Want to guess how many Super Bowl champion coaches had been fired from previous coaching jobs? It’s what happens in pro sports. Nobody cares about not liking Reich. Although it’s an odd position to take before he’s done anything as a HC, we all know you’re entitled to that position. But the constant sky is falling hysteria and extremism is exhausting to read and is, to be honest, a mentally lazy thing to spew out. How about we see how things play out. How about we get through his opening presser at least, huh?
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The best out of an imperfect situation. And a guy who had been a part of really prolific NFL offenses for his entire career.
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I like Fleming. I know he's had his ups and downs, but if they keep Solder, and they almost have to, I don't see them keeping Fleming too - the money can't be there to do both. I think he immediately upgrades, and solidifies RT. And he and Luck played together for a year, which can't hurt.
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1 hour ago, threeflight said:
Lets go back a month. Lets pretend that McDaniels was never even in the picture and that Reich, Campbell, and Frazier were the 3 lead candidates being presented to the fan base.
I don' think our first impression would be "wow, that is a great group of future NFL coaches". None of these 3 were even in on the first round of interviews a month ago. It seems so....random.
But that is where we are. We have waited 6 years through the Pagano era to get to this??? This group of guys?
Not to mention, none of these 3 guys have anything in common personality and scheme wise. Reich is cerebral and known as an Offensive guy. Frazier is known as a calm leader with no real specialty. Campbell is known as a rah rah guy and that is about it.
Where is the strategy here? What is next? What is the imprint that you want to put onto the team? Do you want to help Luck with a O guru or hire a cheerleader? Do you have an idea about how you want this team to move forward or is Ballard just winging it with no real idea about what he wants?
It's mystifying.
And even if you want to add in McDaniels......what was it he saw in him that made him so badly want him? He couldn't see what * he is in those 2 interviews, especially since he had a bad rep from the past to go by?
It seems as if he is just throwing darts at a dart board.
You're probably right, it's just a game of darts. You can't revise history to fit your narrative. A month ago there were four or five candidates, four of whom interviewed? They included the men who universally were considered the best available. And offered a varied skill set, were diverse and distinct.
When you're the last to hire sometimes you get what's left. That doesn't mean junk. That means not selected yet, and still available. When the first choice declines the offer, you go on to plan B, and maybe C, D, etc. Welcome to the real world. And this literally crazy idea that Harbaugh/Dabo/Meyer/Saban or Manning or the ghost of Curly Lambeau is who the Colts should hire is a waste of breath, energy, and time. These are the candidates. You can hate them. Most of us don't, and can understand why we're all here. McDaniels was on a team that made the Colts wait, by rule, until the majority of other coaching contenders were signed elsewhere. That is a risk you take looking at coaches on Super Bowl teams. It didn't work out for the Colts.
Go back through all of the posts on this board post-Pagano firing, and you'll see Reich mentioned a ton. He was on a lot of "if we go with no prior HC experience" lists of candidates we all tossed around. Because the Colts are just now interviewing him is a result of of the process. We all heard Toub until we said it in our sleep, and he didn't even get an interview anywhere I don't think. It's not an exact science. Ballard has his list, and he's working through it.
I think you're lost in the weeds on this. Look at who was hired this season. Is Vrabel any better than Nagy, or Patricia, or Wilks, or Reich? Some of them will become the Holmgren's and Dungy's, or the next Tomlin, McCarthy, Carroll or Harbaugh... This is how the NFL has always hired HCs. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater just because the names you see have no neon lights surrounding them yet.
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Just now, John Waylon said:
This is 2018. We don’t have to have a big physical meeting to sign a contract. Contracts are signed via fax all the time. I can file my federal taxes with an electronic signature.
Ballard could have had a contract in McDaniels hands within minutes of him verbally agreeing to take the job. Less than 5.
Ballard knew there was a chance this could happen. He had a shortlist of names to interview if it did. Getting a contract signed would not have been even remotely difficult.
Or maybe they did send him one and he just never signed it. Which goes back to my original thought that yesterday’s announcement was an attempt to coerce him into following through.
Its not not fair to solely blame McDaniels here. 90%? Sure. Absolutely. He’s a real scumbag for what he’s done.
But we didn’t seem to take the steps to prevent it, as easy as they were.
When did he verbally agree? Sunday night two minutes after they lost a Super Bowl? That's the earliest he could sign a contract. So we're talking about Monday and Tuesday. I agree with your original thought - sensing a change of heart, the Colts played the produce or get off the pot card, announcing the agreement. Forcing his hand.
If we find, when all this dust settles, that McDaniels made it clear from the start he wasn't sure, needed more time to discuss this with his family, then Ballard can own his share of this mess. And if that ends up being the case, I'd put all the blame on Ballard. If a candidate for any position in the organization showed any hesitation they'd be removed from candidate my list forever. If Ballard was led down the primrose path then this whole discussion is different.
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7 minutes ago, John Waylon said:
I keep seeing people say it’s all on McDaniels, but continually shying away from addressing this crucial point.
You really shouldn’t argue that it’s all on McDaniels if you can’t provide a valid reason why Ballard shouldn’t have attempted to get a contract signed as soon as he verbally agreed.
Because the earliest McDaniels could have signed a contract was after the Patriots loss. There was no other time to get the contract to him, or him to the contract, which was supposed to happen today. I suppose we can ask why wasn't it done Sunday night, Monday or Tuesday, but we all know the answer to that already. McDaniels was in full tail spin mode changing his mind already.
And that's one of the real problems here. Making the worst teams wait the longest to sign coaches/coordinators from the best teams is counter intuitive, and is a hardship. That rule has to change. I see no conflict of interest in signing a contract which begins when a team is eliminated from the playoffs. There has to be a better way of allowing the worst teams to land the best coordinators.
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2 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:
If moving your family around is bothersome to you then you should not be in the field of coaching professional football.
I totally understand not wanting to move his family. But moving your family around is part of being a pro-football coach. Furthermore he accepted the job, did he not think this over before he verbally took the job?
That would be like me running for President of the United States and then after winning saying "You mean I have to move to Washington DC. Well forget it I don't want to move there."
Nearly all of the tweets and supporting articles discuss his uncertainty with the city and decision. Listen, I get I'm treading on eggshells here, so many locals on this board, but I'm not making it up, the same people who announced the change of heart last night specifically mention McDaniel's uncertainty about the move from the start. It's Florio's position from the start that this board dismissed offhand.
As to the notion that assistant coaches/coordinators take what's offered, that's simply not what happens. The NFL has a long history of hand picked locations, waiting a year for better opportunities, etc. This isn't a situation of being transferred. It's an offer. People turn down offers in all walks of life all the time, for many reasons. Some of those, amongst the leading reasons, is often the city one would have to live in or around.
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1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:
I am not pointing the finger directly at Chris Ballard. I am saying he owns part of this failure. Some of this falls on him and people should accept that.
Is Chris Ballard dirty? Absolutely not. I believe he an honest man who got duped. That said, getting duped in business is a failure. I am sure there were signs, and he knew who he was dealing with.
Even considering McDaniels was a gamble. Ballard bought in. He took the hook and the sinker.
I don't think Ballard owns any of McDaniel's decision. He was offered a deal, he accepted, and changed his mind. Lost in all of this are numerous reports McDaniels didn't want to move his young family to Indianapolis, how much he loved living in the Boston area, and how he was comfortable again in the role of OC. Add a raise from Kraft, and maybe a year or two more with Brady, and this doesn't become real complicated. The way McDaniel handled it is what is unprofessional. Ballard found a candidate, the one he determined would be the best fit, and was turned down. That's not on Ballard.
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2 minutes ago, Barry Sears said:
Interesting that Kraft didn't try and change Patricia's mind. I've seen several posts referring to this being a "Kraft Hates the Colts" thing.
Did you see what the Eagles did to them last Sunday? You and I playing DE couldn't have done worse. Goodbye Patricia!
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2 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:
Colts reportedly had suspicious minds, and have 3 contingency candidates they will move on. Frank Reich? Jim Schwartz? Who's #3?
Toub?
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The NFL needs to change how they handle coaching opportunities when teams are in the playoffs. Making the worst teams wait the longest to sign the top coordinators is ridiculous when those are the very teams that generally need the most help.
And, as B.B. did the Jets, so McDaniels does the Colts. Classless. Like the succession plan couldn’t have been discussed and settled before dragging the Colts through the mud?
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1 minute ago, Smonroe said:
Not making excuses for him, nor saying what he did was right. But what he was doing was kind of a common practice. Maybe not with luxury cars though!
I agree... one of my favorite images ever is Eric Dickerson and that gold Trans Am from Texas A&M! He didn't keep that ride long, nor his commitment to A&M of course, but it's been going on forever. And that's the thing, Grace owned it, stood tall, and was a man about it.
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The best part of his story to me is he stayed at Miami and graduated after being kicked off the team for violating NCAA rules. That, to me, speaks volumes about the young man. I don't know how many kids would graduate after facing that situation, let alone at the same school. Good for him, and I wish him well.
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I cant argue with any of that, it’s sound and safe. I actually think there are only a couple ways the Colts can really mess this up, and one of them is to get trade back crazy and end up with marginal talent. Second rounders in the fIrst. So taking advantage of this opportunity is critical. I get that.
Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com released his top 50 prospects, and he actually ranks Edmunds third overall, ahead of Chubb, which is what got me looking harder at him.