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On 2/5/2017 at 10:28 PM, NannyMcafee said:
And so, the entire NFL hatred for the patriots continues.
Yes, thank you. Please keep it up. Don't start liking us now that we pulled this off. Hate us. The Hate fuels us and drives us. Bring it on!
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On 2/5/2017 at 10:34 PM, corgi said:
Joe Montana was eventually dethroned. So to shall Brady.
Let's see. Joe won his fourth SB in 1990. Brady his fifth in 2017. It took 27 years to dethrone Joe. That sounds about right. See you in 2044.
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Why is it off target. Facts are facts. My point was coaches are not automatically great. Results are from trial and error. Even the great HOF coaches didn't start out being great. The learned the job by making mistakes and errors. Pagano has not even had the time yet some want him fired. I guess if the fan base of the Steelers, Giants and Cowboys controlled who was fired and hired they wouldn't be the champions. We can all sit behind our keyboards and say what needs to be done but in reality that is not the right way or the smartest way. When you let your emotions effect your choices it never turns out good. Fire someone? Then what. Is there even anyone who is any better out there? We don't know. As far as Pagano having Luck, Luck did not go three 11-5 seasons all by himself. Colt fans are so used to being good that when a rough spot does come up they cant handle it and go bananas.
Well, first of all, I started my comment by saying that I wasn't among those who think that Pagano should be on the "hot seat."
But, I think it's fair for people to be getting frustrated when he clearly has, in Andrew Luck, a phenom at the most important position on the fiield, who led his team to three consecutive 11-5 seasons in his first three years in the league; neither P. Manning nor Brady had anything like those numbers in their first three years in the League...Brady didn't even start until his second season. And Brady didn't have a genuine "#1 Receiver" until he had Randy Moss and now Gronkowski.
But I also think it's fair to say that Pagano was outcoached by Belichick on Sunday night. Both teams had a bad break that cost them a score or a chance to score: the on-target pass that bounced off of a normally sure-handed Edelman's fingers into the defender's arms and an inability of the officials, for whatever reason, to allow what looked like the recovery of a very well executed onside kick by the Colts.
Pagano tried to "out Belichick" Belichick with the "Snapfu" play and the Colts' O line was so consistently playing "low" during kicking plays that Jamie Collins anticipated their play and jumped over the line to keep it a seven point game at a crucial time. A little thing? Yes, but games are won and lost at practice on "little things." The Patriots clearly didn't panic when the Colts went into that punt formation and actually looked like they had practiced for it.
So, yeah, I think it's fair to ask questions...not to throw the guy overboard....but to ask questions. And I think it's fair for people to wonder just a little how many rings Luck might have with Noll or Walsh or Belichick on the sidelines. That's a high bar...and it's probably wrong to hold any coach to that standard, but I can understand the frustration that gives rise to what people are saying.
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Here is a little fact that I brought up in another thread. Bill Belichicks first four seasons his record was 36-44. Pagano's record is 27-15. That is minus the 9-3 record of Bruce Arians. I am not saying that Chuck is the next Bill but there are a lot of people who want Chuck fired. You compare Chuck with Bill a lot of times. If you going to do that isn't fair to look at the big picture? To put this in perspective Bill Cowher has one super bowl in two trips in 15 years. Pagano has better records than Belichick and similar records with Cowher, Pagano also has a better record than Bill Walsh started with. Pagano also has a better starting record than Bill Parcells started with. Pagano done this with pretty much an all new team. I understand that things get very emotional when the season has gone like this one have but firing him would be too premature IMO. Maybe if you take a look at the big picture rather than letting your emotions dictate? A lot of out side fans call Colt fans spoiled. There is a lot of truth to that. Some want a super bowl now and when it don't happen they go off and want heads to roll. It makes no difference why, they want it and act like spoiled kids when they don't get it. Then here comes the attitude that someone has to pay. No matter what there are others who say be patient and good this will happen, they don't want to hear that. Reality and reasoning go out the window when the fanatic comes out in being a fan. This comment is not directed at anyone specifically. Just some food for thought for all of us, including me. Great coaches are not automatically great. They work at it from trial and error before getting there.
I'm not on the "Pagano must go" bandwagon by any means, but I think the comparison to Belichick's years in Cleveland is off target.
Belichick had a revolving door at the QB position with six different starters in four seasons: the popular (in Cleveland) Bernie Kosar for 29 starts and an 11--16 record, Vinnie Testaverde for 31 starts and a 16--15 record, Mike Tomczak, eight starts, 4--4, Todd Philcox (huh?) 5 starts, 1--4, Eric Zeier (huh?*2), 4 starts, 1--3 and Mark Rypien, 4 starts, 1--3.
Pagano has had one of the most hyped and heralded players to hit the NFL in a long time as his QB the entire time.
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Well, just watching that play killed 2/3rds of my brain cells.......
But no, the play wasn't for penalties, wasn't for 12 men, it was designed as a homerun/dagger play.
Below is how it was supposed to work....provided the pats lined up right. But they didnt so Pags should have at least called time out. But before that, it never should have been called, especially with 2 players not used to handling those types of plays. If Pat had been the caller or if he'd tucked it and ran and failed, thats one thing. But this play was the dumbest play in NFL history.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/10/19/maine-football-trolls-colts-twitter/
Yes. that is, I believe, how the play is supposed to work. The "punter/QB" is not supposed to line up under center, but to be in a shotgun position. Moving the rest of the line (properly lined up!) to the far side is supposed to confuse the D and give the guy who receives the snap room to roam. In the play as run by the team from Maine, the D only has one guy over the center with everyone else running left (right) to cover the "Student Body Left" move of the rest of the O. Result: easy score.
If you look at how the Patriots lined up, there were three or four guys over the center.
Scary thought? Belichick had actually coached the D to be ready for this play (the Maine connection makes that all the more probable) and he was probably amazed that the "QB" was under center and not in the shotgun or punt position like he should have been...not to mention amazed that the Colts gifted him with an illegal formation. But, remember that there are tapes of Malcolm Butler being coached during game week on the identical pick play run by the Seahawks at the end of SB XLXIX. So, nothing is out of the question.
Whenever the Patriots play in Denver, I sometimes think that Belichick coaches his D to be ready for the Broncos to bring their mascot horse onto the field in formation: "OK, Gronk, if they bring in the horse, you go in for Butler and cover the pony."
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Pagano just said that they wanted to line up and see if they could have confused NE. Depending on NE's formation, they would've snapped the ball and ran the play, otherwise, they wanted to try to draw the defense off side. He said the ball should not have been snapped and they would've just taken the delay of game.
It was a trick play, (horrible play call in that situation) thus no need for Luck and his hard count. Everyone would've seen that coming. Also, his hard count did not draw anyone off side all night.
So, in other words, he was trying to "Out-Belichick" Belichick.
Probably not a good idea.
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I think the patriots were in the colts headsets and called the play. Explains the reason why nobody knew what the hell was going on lol
No. They probably filmed it during the Colts practice.
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What's worse than 3--2?
In a Division where those three W's equal the W's of all the other divisional teams combined? A lot of things are worse than 3--2!!!
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Your organization is much too classy to want a guy like that on its roster. Let him run around in Jerry World until he gets in trouble and suspended again.
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Yeah, but Chuck is no Billy Boy either to get this team out of the doldrums.
That might well be the case, but your problem isn't at the QB position! I don't follow the Colts everyday, but I think I can say that with some assurance!
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Thank You Thank You! But in all seriousness I really think Matt Patricia should be the guy to go after. This guy is a super genius and he will make the Colts a pure carbon copy of the Patriots. I'm all for one with beating our hated rival but you must give them credit. The Patriots are the best team in football for the past decade. To defeat the enemy, you must become the enemy.But, do you really want an HC who might say this after his QB throws for almost 500 yards, no picks and three TD's:
"Obviously, we had a lot of yardage in the passing game yesterday, so there is an illusion that it was great, but considering the number of times we threw it and some of the inefficiencies we had, I wouldn't put it in that category." (Bill Belichick on Tom Brady after beating the Bills in Buffalo on Sunday).
He's no fun. I mean, Brady must be thinking "What the fandoodle do I have to do to please this guy?"
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Well, I guess if he guaranteed Belichick 10 large a year for five years and gave him a piece of the team, he could steal him away from Kraft. Hell, Belichick would even approve, since he's the guy who invented the mantra, "It's better to let someone go a year too early than a year too late."
(For the humor-deprived, that's a joke.
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All I know is that your Colts and my Eagles are both 0--2 and I'd take Luck over Bradford at QB in a heartbeat! Wanna trade straightup?
But seriously. Chill and go back and take a look at Belichick's presser after the Patriots got blown out in KC to go 2--2 last year and watch his reaction when some reporter asked him whether he was thinking of "making a change at the Quarterback position." That should be how you guys are feeling now with a stud like Luck at QB. Chill.
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Luck should tell whoever is running the Colts organization that if you do not get offensive line players in who can block, I am not signing a new contract. Put the pressure back on Irsay to finally do something about this. I am sure there are NFL teams out there with a need at quarterback who have an offensive line willing to give Luck the team he needs to win.
This is the Manning years ALL over again. You have no running game, wide receivers not getting separation (HILTON), and no blocking by the offensive line. Last four years how many first round draft picks are actually impacting this team, besides Luck? I got your answer, zero. How many veteran players are the Colts going to take (especially on offense) that show their age?
And, in this case, there's no excuse at all for not surrounding him with the talent he needs, since he's played these four seasons with a rookie contract. No reason Irsay shouldn't have surrounded him with talent after the 2012 season, when it was clear he was the "real deal."
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Its looking ugly for the Jets, Dolphins, And Pats game smh.
I don't know about the Jets and Dolphins, but Gary Myers of the NY Daily News (hardly a friend of the Patriots) wrote last week that "the record for points scored by one team in an NFL game is 72 (Redskins, 1966 v. the NYG). That record will be in jeopardy on October 18th."
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No, you should thank God that the case took place in the venue it did.
The point of the thread is that here in Indiana, we know the difference between innocence and lack of evidence, as they do in golf, horse racing, and NASCAR.
We wouldn't pretend to need legal proof that our team thrives on fraud, in order to know that it does. We would stop buying tickets and merchandise anyway
Go away, you'll never understand. You are who you are.
Despite our pleasant conversation earlier, I'm afraid that I am gonna have to politely call you out on that one.
The case was heard in the city, state and Court that the NFL chose, not in the more "liberal" venues of MN or MA that the NFLPA started to try to pick. One of the ironies of this entire matter is that the NFL outsmarted itself by filing in lower Manhattan, where it thought it would get a friendly "corporate" Judge.
And, also, we're talking Federal Courts here, not state or local courts, so differences in local predilections are smoothed out by Presidential Appointments and Senate Confirmations.
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Thank you NYCfan for your balanced approach in discussing your views on DeFlate Gate. Yes, that 1st press conference was clearly not Brady's finest hour & I'm being kind when I say that. Maybe it was bad advice from Mr. Yee. I don't know. I wouldn't say that Brady was "railroaded" perse just that Goodell placed too much legal significance on the phrase "more probably than not" which the Commissioner believed didn't require an air tight case with empirical evidence that demonstrated that Brady ordered his game balls deflated on game day. I feel into this trap too thinking that "more probably than not" was a difference in legal thresh hold like the difference between a criminal case & a civil case.
Maybe in hindsight this deflate gate verdict will be a good thing because it will force Roger to retract his disciplinary hammer on players somewhat & be more measured & lenient when it comes to handing down suspensions from now on.
Yeah, Chip Kelly is quite a character. Although, somebody started a thread today saying Tebow was cut from the Eagles roster. I agree 100% though. Kelly is a strange cat. Is he a mad genius or just mad? If I could answer that question. I'd be a billionaire. LOL! Nice chatting with you NYCfan.
Nice chatting with you too.
Yeah, I saw that Tebow was cut. When four teams with very different coaches and styles (ranging from Belichick to Kelly) don't think you've got it for the NFL at QB and when you're not willing to consider playing another position, it's time to hang 'em up and find another line of work. There are literally hundreds of guys who have been cut from NFL Rosters since Tebow entered the League who would kill for the chances he had!
May our teams have successful seasons.
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That's an important statement because every business owner and NFL team owner needs to understand their fan base.
A lot of fans probably believe there is an inherent, ingrained, unfair treatment on the part of people who run things. That in the absence of documentation of fair treatment, when there is no documentation or insufficient documentation to show fair treatment, they default to assume treatment was unfair. Management has to prove they were fair. That's fine if they believe that, and its probably true in many cases.
The judge didn't bother to weed that out of his decision. He used common labor law, which is founded on the BASIC PRINCIPAL that employees can't negotiate deals on their own merits, but need strength in numbers. Union members organize because they are powerless individually. Tom Brady isn't. He is powerful enough to negotiate his own deals, including disciplinary actions, outside of a union contract. He also wields certain power on the team and with subordinates that the average union member doesn't. The judge ignored that reality and defaulted to the protection of the common worker "management needs to show proof of fairness" interpretation.
Brady's position in his organization isn't remotely similar to the positions held by most normal union members, so the judge should have used less normal precedents.
I'm sure pags, grigs, and Irsay gauge the leanings of their fan base and would understand the lack of tolerance many of us would have for the arguments that Brady and his fans have made ...even if it was by Andrew Luck...on the way to something marginally consequential like a cloth banner and a shiny trophy.
I think that, in the end, we fundamentally agree but see this situation differently.
I am old enough to have been taught and still believe that there is "right" and "wrong." I think that's where you're coming from as well. We want the teams and public figures we support to act like that. I wholly endorse your final statement, though banners and trophies are nice too...wish my Eagles had a few.
In this case, though, I think that "the arguments that Brady and his fans have made" are, ironically, about "right" and "wrong."
Even Peter King, who, along with Mort, was one of those whose columns fueled the flames of Deflategate from the beginning, wrote in this week's MMQB:
"The league got what it deserved, and I sense even some hard-liners in the league now are not convinced Tom Brady cheated. I’ve had a couple of club people who for months believed Brady must be guilty of something significant and now are questioning whether he directed any Patriots employees to do anything illegal. Clearly, some around the league don’t think Ted Wells, Jeff Pash and Goodell have the goods on Brady. They are right: The league doesn’t have the goods. There’s no proof that Brady told anyone to take air out of the footballs."
When someone who made part of his living beating the anti-Brady drum does an about face like that, I think it starts to become clear that this is a matter of "right" and "wrong." In this case, Brady was badly wronged.
I've said all along that I'm no big fan of Brady, but was raised in a blue-collar household where the "rights" of workers who are dependent on powerful people for their living (and, even Tom Brady depends on 32 billionaire owners to make his living) were always defended by my Union-member father in my home.
There was a right and a wrong here. I think we'll probably disagree where they resided, but I respect your perspective.
However, I just ask you to read Judge Berman's ruling. It's only 40 double-spaced pages so even I had the attention span to get through it
. Here's a link:http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&id=484
Nice chatting with you!
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In fairness to you, I did jump the gun & falsely assume that you were a NE Patriot supporter of Tom Brady, which was a mistake on my part because you were merely illustrating why Jeffery Kessler won & Robert Goodell lost this case. I'm not gonna lie to ya though NYCfan. When a man [brady] states publicly at a university in front of a packed auditorium that he will address the Wells Report allegations & then he hides behind a high priced mouthpiece [Jeffery Kessler] I lose a ton of respect for him for 2 reasons: 1. Brady's not on trial for murder, child molestation, or tax fraud. It was only a 4 game suspension that should have been a 2 game suspension. 2. If a famous celebrity & SB Championship QB says "I will address these charges soon" while he's in a public venue don't you think that in the interest of complete transparency Brady would have a natl. press conference to fully disclose & explain to his fans & his detractors who doubted him initially based on that horrible press conference about are you a cheater the opportunity to redeem himself. When a guy says publicly that he will answer unfounded allegations made against him in a public setting & then only responds to these charges in a courtroom venue that's not a good look on the public relations front. It reminds me of a CEO who hides behind their corporate lawyers rather than address a disagreement or difference of opinion publicly as a man of the people.
I like Kraft & Brady still as a business man & a HOF QB but I just disagree in a few key moves they made in defending their positions during Deflate Gate which did them for harm than good.
Fair enough and reasonably stated. Brady mangled that first press conference. He was getting bad advice at the time from his Agent. His Agent was the same one who told him to destroy his Cell Phone.
It still looks to me like Brady was railroaded...maybe this is the "Blue Collar Philadelphia-born Liberal" bias coming out of a guy whose dad was a Union Member all his life, but I don't think Management can do that kind of stuff to Labor and get away with it. If Brady eventually "lawyered up" with Jeffrey Kessler, my feeling is "who could blame him?"...he was obviously dealing with a hostile opponent, who, according to a New York City Judge had deprived him not only of access to the co-author of what he called in his ruling, "the Pash/Wells Report," but also to some basic documents related to what the judge also referred to as an investigation that was "independent" in quotation marks.
The real irony in all of this, as was pointed out by a mediot on ESPN, is that, while the NFL made a big deal about Brady's destruction of his Cell Phone (and he should not have done that, even though Wells had told him that he would not be penalized for not turning it over), in the end a Federal Judge found that it was the NFL that had tried to conceal information from Brady.
But enough of that. Let's talk some football. Do you think Chip Kelly is nuts for keeping Tebow on my Eagles roster? I think that two years from now people will be calling Kelly either a genius or an *. i haven't decided which yet, but I do think that Kelly acts like he's still coaching in College sometimes...and Tebow was great in College...
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Okay. I see your point.
I didn't want this thread to be about Deflate gate, but more about how quickly we resort to introducing legal discussions when the problem is merely about violating the rules of a game. And that we should all be disappointed in our respective teams if they degrade the legitimacy and entertainment value of the NFL on the way to hanging a banner.
We agree. We live in a litigious society where everything seems to have to end up in Court.
Good luck to your team this year...unless they're playing my Eagles in San Francisco in February!
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I keep asking myself the same question: If Luck had conducted himself in the same manner as Brady did following the SB, would I hold Andrew's feet to the fire as rigorously too? Absolutely I would.
NE fans wanna argue law, semantics, & overzealous penalties while the rest of the country asks common sense questions like Don't you expect your QB to explain what happened in his own words or why he has no interest in determining how this situation unfolded at all? Why did Robert Kraft originally say he accepted the loss of draft picks for the greater good & the benefit of the league & later express regrets & reservations over accepting this fine/loss of picks?
So does this mean that 31 other team owners no longer matter to you? Please elaborate Mr. Kraft...
I'm a Philly fan, not a NE fan, so I'll let them speak up here. But Brady has not only explained it in his own words, but has done so under oath and pain of perjury. He's said he didn't do it and he wasn't aware of anyone improperly lowering the air pressure in the balls he used.
I can't explain why Kraft did what he did. Personally, I think he's an older gentleman who has done his best work and should probably turn his team over to his son...he has a lot to be proud of...four rings and six SB appearances in the last 15 years...a lot better than my Eagles' two appearances and zero, zip, zilch rings since 1960 when it wasn't even called the Super Bowl. But, if I were asked my opinion, I'd suggest it's time for him to retire.
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What's your point to all this? "Discretion is the better part of valor?" Know when to walk away & back down as opposed to charging head first into a burning building before considering all the dangerous repercussions? Give me a break...
Tell me sir with all due respect, does Tom Brady share any culpability in any of his actions once Deflate Gate broke & the Wells Report was released at all? Remember when Brady said he would respond to the Wells Report in short order at that university gathering & he remained silent for several weeks? Brady are you a cheater? I don't believe so. Who in the hades says that honestly? If I was accused of compromising the integrity of a sport that made me a household name & got me a supermodel wife, I will guarantee you that I won't be hiding behind a high priced team of lawyers led by Jeffery Kessler okay. I'm clearing up any confusion immediately when my darn reputation is on the line.
It just boggles my mind how so many Patriot fans wanna lay deflate gate completely at Goodell's feet & not scrutinize their QB's actions 1 bit. It's sheerly astounding to me. Denial ain't a river in Egypt man. Wow...
Yes, Goodell made a ton of mistakes & miscalculations yes, but let's not pretend that Brady literally walks on water, can do no wrong, & made no miscalculations himself alright.
I don't care what anybody says a 4 time SB Champion who throws the ball for over 10 years wants me to believe that he has no idea how game balls were under inflated or that he had no idea what his equipment guys were doing without his knowledge or consent. Please. I'm not that darn gullible.
Oh yeah, this 'Free Brady' t-shirt nonsense is so overblown it's ridiculous. Stop acting like Brady was unlawfully imprisoned like Nelson Mandela & pardoned after an almost 30 year sentence okay. Brady didn't exactly suffer. Was he denied access to his lavish lifestyle or denied interactions with his wife & children over the span of deflate gate? No, he most certainly was not.
Brady and his legal team acknowledged that he should have handled the disposal of his Cell Phone in a better manner, even though he had been told by Wells that he would not be penalized for not turning it over since, like Brett Favre, he had exercised his collectively bargained right not to turn over his personal cell phone.. Brady even offered to sit a one game suspension for not co-operating in that manner with the League as part of a Settlement to which he was willing to agree. But he has not offered, nor should he have to offer, to accept responsibility for a "crime" that the Pash/Wells report itself shows never even occurred.
My point here is not to defend Tom Brady, whom I personally find to be a smug know it all, but to point out that if Goodell could try to get away with this against a guy like Brady, we can all just wonder what he might try to get away with against lesser known players. And, apparently there is now a movement among several NFL owners to revisit Goodell's power in this regard, since he is now 0--5 in Federal Court.
And to your point about the inflation level of the balls, the Pash/Wells report itself shows that, at most, the balls used in the first half of the game were "underinflated" by 0.23 PSI vs. the expected inflation pressure according to the Ideal Gas Law. 0.23 PSI equates to the weight of a toothpick. So, yeah, I guess I am saying that he might not have been aware of that.
I think a lot of people are saying a lot of things without knowing the facts of this case, which only a Federal Judge born, bred, educated and practicing in New York City has allowed to come to light.
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The article and writer supports my point perfectly. Some people have this arrogant attitude that, I associate with the 1960's, that equates challenging authority with some sort of badge of honor. Its so transparent, old, and tired.
Its not about competitors forgoing a chance to win out of some stereotyped nicey-nice code of integrity with each other. Its about a sports league and its members abiding by the league commissioners ruling even if they disagree with it, knowing that the commish's intent is to maintain the value of the league. Rulings that are directly tied to events on the field of play are especially important.
Challenging that authority is usually done for the short term selfish gain of players and coaches who want to cash in just before retirement, like Lance Armstrong, leaving the people who are still there with the responsibility of repairing the devalued product.
I like the Colts. I hope Irsay doesn't tolerate such behavior from grigs or pags. I want to care about the Colts even after they are gone.
What's any of that have to do with whether balls were actually deflated during the AFCCG? They weren't. The "Pash/Wells Report" (as Judge Berman describes it) itself says that the balls were within the expected range on one gauge and just 0.23 psi on average below it on the other. 0.23 psi equates to the weight of a toothpick and is within the margin of error of any test. There was no "deflation." There was no "crime." Brady, as Judge Berman pointed out, did better in the second half than he did in the first with the allegedly "deflated" balls.
There was no "independent" investigation, as Judge Berman pointed out. The entire thing was a power play by Roger Goodell that blew up in his face.
Look, I'm not a Patriots fan. As I have said many times on this Board, I'm an Eagles fan and * Tom Brady broke my heart when he beat my guys in the SB. But, Justice is Justice.
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The NFL has been involved in some high-profile legal cases lately, which is a real shame. Most of these cases involve how the NFL establishes and enforces its own rules, rules designed to police itself and its members from conducting themselves in a way that would be detrimental to the game. Most sports league have a governing body, and most leagues try to include members that are on board with the culture it wants to establish, and kicks out those that aren't. Somehow for the NFL, this process has gotten tied up in the court system. Its a shame that the NFL allows this to happen.
In golf, the PGA relies upon is own players to police themselves. This is a wise business decision. There can't be enough video cameras and officials following golfers around to ensure there is sufficient legal evidence to prove cheating and to make a suspension stick. How many cameras would it take to see if every players golf ball moved upon clearing an errant blade of grass? The PGA relies upon the integrity of its players to uphold the rules...for the good of all of its members.
In NASCAR, cars are inspected before and after a race. If a team's car has a car out of specs, its assumed the mechanics built it that way, not that some weather phenomenon bent a wing out of conformance. There doesn't have to be a video of a mechanic changing the wing or a witness admitting they did it in order for NASCAR to assume it was intentional. The rule is that you must drive a car that conforms to the standards. If you drive a car that has been found to not conform to the standards, you are guilty of violating the rules and are subject to punishmenmt. Simple.
Its a shame that my sport, the NFL, listens to all of the chatter...the tactic employed by some that seeks to create an impossibly high standard by which to deem someone a rules violator. I hope the NFL does not spend the money, buy enough cameras, employ enough police-ers of policy, to keep up with these people. I hope they save money and simply kick them out of the sport.
I hope that my team, the Colts, never seeks to break the rules. Having a working definition of cheating being "enough legal evidence to prove" would eventually make professional football an unwatcheable product. It would reduce the game to a game of "who can get away with what" rather than a game of skill and intelligence.
I hope that fellow Colts fans use whatever means possible to pressure our team's management and staff to hold the integrity of the game as their highest goal. For the fans, its not winning a SuperBowl that's entertaining and makes the sport fun to watch...its the PROCESS by which teams compete to get there. Knowingly and willfully breaking the rules of that process, with a goal to devise a scheme as to not get caught cheating by the court system, would put the revenue generation stream of the NFL at risk, since the sport would no longer be entertaining or much fun to watch.
Integrity? Huh?
Process? Huh?
Ask Sean Payton and the New Orlean Saints...or read this...really read it..
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-arrogance-of-roger-goodell-215731603.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
"Misread the tailored suits and furry Uggs and styled haircuts at your own peril. The guy is tough.
"Tom Brady wouldn't quit, wouldn't rattle, wouldn't back down.
"Tom Brady wouldn't concede an inch and thus, by bringing in the lawyers, by bringing in the brilliant Jeffrey Kessler, he was able to get the whole ball of nonsense into Richard M. Berman's court of law, a place that lives far from riotous cable television debate shows and internet message boards.
"Brady's appeal hearing with the NFL had been a complete farce, so outrageous that Goodell himself misrepresented Brady's own testimony in his decision, finding him guilty of something he never even said. Comparative punishments were invented, levels of guilt shifted, basic fairness was trampled upon."
Thank You Thank You! But in all seriousness I really think Matt Patricia should be the guy to go after. This guy is a super genius and he will make the Colts a pure carbon copy of the Patriots. I'm all for one with beating our hated rival but you must give them credit. The Patriots are the best team in football for the past decade. To defeat the enemy, you must become the enemy.
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Brissett vs Luck
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Luck literally went 10--12 as a Starter the last two seasons and people are already comparing him to Trent Dilfer....oops, Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
...more or less just kidding around above, but, let's face it, Luck hasn't earned his way into any conversation that includes Brees, Rodgers or P. Manning...let alone Brady. Sure, I'd start Luck over Brissett today...but ask me that question a year from now and you might get a different answer.