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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
There are substances like DHEA and DHT that might be used in a steroid cycle, but are sold as unregulated supplements. And it's possible that a pre-workout powder that you like and is supposed to be "clean" is packaged in a plant that also packages DHEA or DHT, and there could be some cross contamination.
I don't know what the testing tolerances are for this stuff, or how much a guy like Grover would have to take to fail a PED test, but just pointing out that it's possible, in theory, for a trusted supplement to be tainted.
The NFL's lead doctor advises that players stay away from supplements, period, probably because supplements in general are scammy and unregulated. But I think there's probably a market already being served for athletes who want trustworthy supplements.
Yeah I suppose it's possible, but DHT (never heard of anyone taking this purposely but maybe they do) and DHEA are natural substances that occur in the body. If they were high enough to flag on a test, and the nfl to ban a guy for 6 games for it, he must have been taking some SERIOUSLY contaminated supplements. It's clearly an excuse to try to mitigate the fallout of a positive test. Mathis's "fertility aids" also happen to conveniently be used in PCT, which is when someone takes medications that boost their test back up quickly after a cycle of anabolics, because otherwise they'd have very low testosterone for a month, and lose some of the gains they got from the cycle. I understand that people want to think the best of their favorite players, but come on... I'd almost respect a guy more who was straight up and admits he made a poor decision than someone who hides behind this "tainted supps" excuse.
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
I'd like to see some info on that. The NFL publishes a list of substances, I don't know about a list of brands.
I believe if you test positive, that's it. Just because you bought a certain brand that was sanctioned by the NFL doesn't mean you weren't doing something else on the side.
Also, every player gets tested at the beginning of the season. Then they can be randomly tested throughout the season. That's thousands of tests, presumably everyone being tested is using supplements (pro athletes, right?), and only a few test positive for banned substances. I think the unregulated substance excuse is pretty weak.
It's incredibly weak, and almost certainly lies in just about every case. Supplements may not be regulated, but no supplement company is "accidentally" adding in anabolic steroids with their preworkout. 99% of players are either actively juicing, or have in the past. That's just the reality of it. How many guys do you think are taking backyard sketchy supplements that somehow always have anabolic steroids in them. They get caught, and this excuse is an attempt to save face.
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I didn't catch Raimann's first holding call, but the last 2 have been absolute garbage
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That "drop" was on Ryan as much, in not more so, than on Pitt. He just floated the ball there and let the DB get a hit as the ball arrived at Pitt. Ball needed more zip on it
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Reich, wth are you doing. PUT THE BALL IN JT'S HANDS. That's so frustrating. Unbelievable
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Anyone see that coin flip? What the heck was that lol. I'll take it tho
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A strip sack there would have been joocy lol but I'll take that
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Just freaking lol. THROW IT AWAY STOP WITH THESE LITTLE LOBS
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Absolutely infuriating to me how Frank puts Mack in there. He needs to stop. Also really stupid on special teams. We were getting bailed out that drive anyway
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Just now, IndySouthsider said:
Not sure I would be showing faith in Mo.
Mo does fail to catch more balls than I'd like, but of those two plays, the first one wasn't on him. Wentz put it behind him. The second one was a miscommunication/misread, not sure if it was MAC or Wentz at fault there
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Friendly reminder that we could have had Brown... feelsbadman
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"Very low rushing yards" call from the announcers... yeah, because our good runs have been called back from phantom holds
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Just now, bluebombers87 said:
Because fan is short of fanatic.
lol fair enough, I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to support the fact that you can be a fan while still being objective is all. No hard feelings towards anyone and I hope you're all enjoying the game and having a nice sunday
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1 minute ago, bluebombers87 said:
Honest question; so what? If people want to be homers, on their own forum, let them. You don’t have to police them. Disagree, but don’t be surprised when fans on their own board disagree.
I suppose that's true. But if you want to get worked up over something, it should be something legitimate. The refs have made plenty of bad calls to be upset about, I just don't think that play was one of them. Reading various forums I see homerism everywhere, from basically all teams. I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to be objective
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Just now, SteelCityColt said:
It's okay he was calling me the homer
I was speaking more generally, every fan base is guilty of it. Wasn't trying to call anyone out in particular. Eaststreet is a good poster and so are you, please don't take it personally. We just disagree on the call, that's ok
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Just now, SteelCityColt said:
I am.. it's PI by the rules.
Maybe my mind would be changed with another look, hope I can get one. From what I saw it looked like good coverage
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Just now, SteelCityColt said:
Nope sorry, pretty clear PI. Arm on him way before ball pulling him back and then using it as leverage to get up over him. MAC would have done better flopping
I disagree. People need to try to be impartial. Not calling you out specifically, but being a homer isn't a good look. Be objective
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Just now, EastStreet said:
Nah man. I watched it like 4 times. Dude was like a cape on his back.
He had his hand on his side but he didn't turn him. Yeah he was all over him, it was good coverage. Not every call that goes against your team is a bad call
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Refs have sucked but that throw to MAC was a good no call. Good coverage
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What an absolute crap holding call. Refs have money on this game
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1 minute ago, Lancer1 said:
So letting the Titans start that last drive at the 40 (with the momentumof a 4th down stop) is preferable to making them start at worst, the 20 but possibly farther back?
Yes, because in the first case you had the possibility of continuing the drive and almost certainly getting points. That gamble is worth 20 yards.
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You guys are wrong about us going for it on 4th down there. You don't punt in that situation, it was a good call to go for it. Idk about the play calls on 3rd and 4th down, but Frank made the right choice by going for it.
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1 minute ago, our_dbs_rock said:
First. How was it human error when a flag was thrown incredibly late after fans and the team was calling for it?
Second. Your saying the colts put themselves into the situation by playing bad and even though officiating was bad it's their fault for not do doing better in that situation. Which is the same as saying the person who was assaulted put themselves in that situation for not better preparing for that situation.
Third. Where did I ever say sexual? Your trying to flame the situation even more for being wrong. Maybe you should ban yourself.
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He was injured and left the game early lol
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Grover Stewart suspended six games for PED violation (merge)
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What you say is true about those others occurring naturally. I do know about the science, but don't know the specifics of the nfl's testing and positive test policies. However, I imagine they build in a reasonable amount of leeway. Let's say the upper limit normal level of test in a standard test is around 1000 ng/dL. If a player has 1200 ng/dL, are they gonna suspend him? Almost certainly not. It wouldn't necessarily be surprising that an elite athlete might naturally have higher test levels. And the decision that comes with negative publicity for the player, 6 games missed wages, and untold potential damage to his career.... well, I imagine it isn't made lightly. I have to believe a suspension would only come from levels that are significantly out of normal range. As far as I'm aware, the substance of note that is flagged in a test resulting in a suspension isn't usually reported or made public, so it's hard to know in each case. Lots of anabolics that bodybuilders, for example, may take are not natural, so would be easily noticed. I don't know if NFL players mostly stick to testosterone, or they use these other anabolics. But seeing the actual substance they got flagged for would help somewhat to clarify whether we should believe the excuses given.
Anyway, I think a lot of people are a bit ignorant to the level of steroid use in professional sports. Put yourself in Mathis's shoes. You're getting into your upper 30's, losing a step here and there, and there's always a young guy who wants your job. You can either juice and accept the risk of potentially getting caught, but with the upside of making millions of dollars. Or you can not juice, age and slow down naturally, and be out of a job altogether. These guys are the elite of the elite athletes, it's not surprising they will do what they can to get an edge.