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Which is all I am saying it's best not to say things like they are for sure going to be that way right now. There are a lot of peaces up in the air and who knows how they will land. I am not even sure Peyton and Irsay fully know how this will turn out yet, I think they have an idea but I doubt they know. I didn't mean to offend you, I was mearly saying I am not sure it's for sure it's going to be a one year deal. I do think you can read the tea leaves and see it could very well be a one year deal.
Oh my goodness, not offended at all. This is what discussion boards are for - discussion.
I think we agree that we are all just guessing about what is going to happen. And right now it is still possible for a number of different outcomes.
Nothing is certain until Peyton signs:
a) a new contract with the Colts
b) a new contract with another team
c) his retirement papers
However, I do feel absolutely positive that the $28 million option will not be paid.
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Well then Irsay did say Andrew...that means the Colts will be picking Luck.
Unless there's an Andrew Shlabotnik they have their eye on.
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I wouldn't disagree with that statement clearly if they take Luck it's in their best interest to have Peyton retire sooner rather than later.
With that said I am NOT saying it wouldn't be a one year deal. I am just saying it's not set it stone it will be a one year deal if they do anything.
That's right. Nothing is set in stone until they, you know, get the stone out and start setting it.
At this point all we're doing is trying to read the tea leaves. And I doubt we have all the information we need to make anything more than a semi-educated guess.
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Right but Irsay also said tonight that he wants Peyton to finish his career here so I don't think it's set in stone it's only going to be a one year deal. It very well could be. It doesn't have to be either. I just think statements right now that are defentive that something is going to happen for sure should be said with caution.
I hear what you're saying, but I think Irsay was pretty clear in that SI interview that, while he wants Peyton to end his career as a Colt, he wants it to end next year (if not sooner). He was very specific about mentioning 2012 only. And, as I mentioned in the second post, Banks made specific mention of Irsay saying that it was one year only.
What Irsay said tonight does not contradict the one year only idea.
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Just as a further note, I haven't heard the interview but apparently Don Banks was on Jim Rome and he mentioned there that was talking about one year only.
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How do you know it's only going to be a one year farewell tour? Irsay was just on the news and said he wants to have a contract to let Manning finish his career in Indianapolis. That could very well mean more than one year if they keep him.
This quote from the original "we would love to have Peyton back" interview:
"This thing has been tough,'' said Irsay, meaning the club's recent showdown of sorts with Manning, regarding his playing future. "But at the same time, if he (Manning) came in and mentored the young guy and was his old self, we'd have a heck of a chance to be much better in 2012 than we were last season. That's if he's his old self, and that's a big if, obviously.
"But if he can play, he could do that for us this season and then he'd have the choice of whether to retire, with his number retired, the statue built and the whole thing. If he's healthy, he'd handle 2012 better than Andrew could. But ultimately I have always wanted him to make the decision, with us having pointed out the risk and the stress he's putting his neck under by playing. The biggest aspect is I want him to be comfortable with his decision.''
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This seems to fit here and I am going to warn you a head of time this is nothing earth shatterning.
Irsay was on WTHR tonight. Irsay said he is in talks with Peyton trying to work threw the issues that would stand in the way of Peyton Manning finishing his career here.
Irsay said he wants to keep Peyton and Peyton wants to be a Colt but there are some very real issues that they need to work threw that might stand in the way of that.
I take this to mean that they are trying to come to an agreement on a new contract that would keep him here. Again nothing earth shatterning here other than that Manning and Irsay are talking which we all knew was coming.
I would say the major issue would be the fact that Irsay is only willing to give him one year (Farewell Tour) and Peyton feels he can play for longer than that once he's healthy.
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TY for your clear honest answer.
I should add that I love Peyton Manning, I hope he regains his health and will follow him if he goes to another team.
However, it doesn't change the fact that this is the only option for the Colts.
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I'm not looking for any trouble.
I am just checking in with how people think.
Isn't that clear from some of the other threads ;)
I can't imagine any situation in which they pay that option.
Even if Peyton were 100%, the Colts aren't going to commit to him for 4 years - not with Andrew Luck on deck.
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LOL Why would you even ask this?
Your position is clear.
It's a divisive subject (duh).
Are you looking to start some kind of trouble?
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I said this in another thread, but paying the $28 million doesn't just mean Peyton will play for the Colts next season, it means the team is committing to him for the full length of the contract (4 years).
After drafting Luck, they simply can't make a committment of that length to Peyton.
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The colts cannot and should not pay the $28 million option. That seems obvious.
Firstly, the unknown issues around his recovery makes it a very poor business move.
But even if Peyton showed up tomorrow 100% healthy, with his laser-rocket arm firing on all cylinders and the spring of youth in his step, the Colts still would say "No, let's renegotiate." The Colts are simply not prepared to commit to the four years left to run on that contract. They are taking Luck and he is the QB of the (near) future.
I have seen some characterization of Irsay's recent comments about restructuring the deal (I can't find a link with that specific quote) that Irsay was looking at Peyton coming back for one year to show Luck the ropes and then retire. Sort of like a "farewell tour". Well, if Peyton comes back and plays for a year, that would indicate that he is healthy and therefore probably not interested in retiring. So we would just go through all this again next year.
The best bet for both parties appears to be to part company. The Colts are rebuilding and they should just bite the bullet and start Luck from Day One. A healthy Peyton should go somewhere else where he has a shot at winning another championship.
Sure Irsay said (months ago) that if Peyton was healthy he would play for the Colts and Peyton has said repeatedly that he wants to retire a Colt. But things change. Once Irsay cleaned house and decided on a rebuild, the circumstances made that impossible.
There doesn't have to be a bad guy here - If both parties would just start talking to each other directly, instead of playing games in the media.
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Did you notice they had Saints and Jets clothing on?
Hats off to their crack research staff.
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Back to the animation - I particularly like the part where they knocked the horse over and started kicking it.
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I don't know that he needed to call him to have a serious discussion about the team, his status and the future, but I think a simple introductory call is a sign of respect and would have taken him all of five minutes.
In this age of cell phones, I don't know how you can miss someone's call (phone tage) unless you are trying to avoid them.
Of course, maybe Peyton is trying to avoid him.
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I think the conversation that Polian had with Peyton about his 'replacement' took place back when they were negotiating his new contract. There was something about it at the time.
People are talking as if this conversation took place very recently.
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With a lot of the hype and hysteria over Luck in the media (and with some fans) you would think that Luck is the last franchise quarterback who will ever be available.
If Peyton actually has 4 more years, his replacement may not even be in college yet. A player we haven't heard of yet could end up being an even better prospect than Luck. We just don't know.
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If the Colts are in a position to draft Andrew Luck, and if Peyton Manning is healthy, then the Colts will have a difficult decision to make.
The reality is, Manning and Luck can't co-exist on the team - not necessarily from a personality perspective - but from an asset management perspective.
If Manning is healthy, then the Colts should be using their pick to make the team as strong as possible in the here and now. Any player taken in the early first round - 1 to 5 or 1 to 10 (some might argue the entire first round) - has to be able to help the team right away. Somebody who needs 3 to 4 years of 'seasoning' shouldn't be selected first over all. If you take Luck and stick him on the bench, you have thrown away that pick's usefullness.
And even though Luck, as first pick, is not going to demand the jaw-dropping contracts that other first picks got (like Sam Bradford) thanks to the new CBA, he is still going to get a pretty good salary and that will be money that won't be available to shore up the rest of the team. In many ways, the team will be treading water waiting on Manning to move on so Luck can take over.
Football careers are notoriously short. Four years is a long time to be sitting around and Luck is likely to be impatient waiting for his career to start. "Impatient" may be an understatement. As a first pick overall, Luck should be ready to play right away and he no doubt will believe that himself. Meanwhile, Manning won't be happy knowing that Luck is staring daggers at him from the bench. And the fans are likely to be torn, wanting their shiny new player to be utilized. Kyle Orton can attest to how tough a situation that is to play under. I would like to think that Manning would have built more credit with the fans than Orton could hope for, but remember how quickly Bob Lamey turned on him last year.
It will be an unpleasant situation for everyone and it is unlikely the team will have any success.
So the other choice the Colts have (besides using their pick on someone other than Luck or trading it for a king's ransom) is to take Luck and cut Manning loose. Say "Thanks for everything, Peyton, particularly that 'out clause' you insisted on. Now clear out your locker and security will escort you off the premises."
I'm not sure what sort of trade they could arrange. I'm sure Peyton would prefer to be allowed to choose where he went. The team would owe him that. So, what team are there out there that need an upgrade in QB to be "special"?
Jets? Cowboys? Ravens?
You can be sure he would be motivated.
As a side note, I should also point out that the situation with Aaron Rodgers that everyone points to as an example doesn't really apply here. First, Rodgers wasn't a first pick over all. But the other thing that people forget is that the Packers didn't plan on having Rodgers on the bench for an extended period. Favre was doing his retirement dance every year and the Packers (reasonably) believed he was actually going to go. I'm sure they never imagined they were going to have to push him out the door.
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Will Garrard be an improvement on Collins?
One of the issues with Collins seems to be that he has only had two weeks to learn the playbook and work with the receivers.
Bringing in a new quarterback every time we lose is not going to help with that particular problem. Their quarterback will always be in the process of learning the playbook......
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If Freeney used it, then the Colts and their doctors are aware of the treatment and, if it's appropriate, I'm sure they would suggest/support it for Peyton.
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Here's what I don't get about Irsay's tweets: why all the cryptic read-between-the-lines crap?
If he has something to say, he should just say it!
And if he doesn't think he should be saying it, maybe he shouldn't be making cryptic remarks about it either!
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a few years ago, manning said he upped his lower body workouts to help prevent injury as he gets older
you could tell the difference in his throwing stance that year
somehow i think peyton knows a little more about what training he needs than any reporter
Ironically it was Bill Belichek (at the Pro Bowl) who advised him to look after his legs as he aged.
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Absolutely! Just imagine if we fans had a say:
1. By not resting our starters, we may have 3 SB's.
2. We wouldn't have drafted 3 useless centres in one year.
3. Bob's big contract would have been injury astute.
4. Ugoh would never have been drafted.
5. We would not keep wasting draft picks on RBs whilst ignoring our O-Line
6. We would not waste our 2 Pro-Bowl DE's as our middle line stinks it up every year.
7. We would never have heard of Jerry Who's
8. Hayden would be on half the salary.
9. Bob would have been IR'd last season.
10. Gonzo wouldn't have.
11. Diem cut not Lilja.
12. Caldwell. Say no more.
Just saying, that's all.
Welcome back btw, good to see you.
We also would have:
1. Signed every free agent who came on the market.
2. Offered Manning the vet minimum on every contract.
3. Fired all the coaches after every loss.
4. Traded for JaMarcus Russell (yes, it was suggested), Terrel Owens, Randy Moss among others.
5. Drafted Ryan Leaf.
Just sayin'.
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Poor Peyton.
He went from being the G.O.A.T. to being just another pretty good QB.
I just don't think it's necessary for people to diminish Peyton Manning in order to justify their infatuation with Andrew Luck (or vice versa).
It's alright to acknoweldge excellence for both of them.