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1.How is playing a full season only 5 times out of 11 years a durable Back?
2.Donald Brown has yet to be injured in his career if I remember right, that is a durable Back
3.its completely possible Brown can have numbers like Edgerrin if you consider Edge himself only rushed for 4.0 ypc for his career and Donald Brown with todays numbers has rushed for 4.17 for his career in other words both have had games where they have struggled running the ball for 1 reason or another
so you are saying that given the correct opportunity, Donald Brown is on the same level like James or Faulk? I don't see how you can even think this.
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Ok, so what is the probability that he smokes us next week? It seems like he gets half of his season rushing yards always against us. Year in and year out.
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we can smoke Jacksonville like a cheap cigar..but not with the run......they're good against the run
you mean that Maurice Jones Drew has the potential to smoke us like a cheap cigar?
yeah i can agree to that.
We need to stop MJD!!
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I am just going to try to add to what others have been trying to tell you about this list because no one on this list was mistreated.
1. Peyton Manning was paid how much money not to play a single down last year when the Colts could have put him on IR? I know we released him but let's be honest Peyton Manning wasn't pleading with Irsay to let him stay here. BOTH sides agreed that releasing him was the best thing to do for ALL parties involved. Also the Colts offered him a chance to say good bye how many released players are given that chance? I can all but promise you the Colts will welcome him back with open arms at the end of his career to let him retire a Colt and they will retire his number and put him in the Ring of Honor. If that's mistreating someone I really hope someone will mistreat me!
2. Marvin Harrison never played again in the NFL when he was released. Despite that the Colts offered him a chance to stay at a reduced salary. So they were pretty much wiling to pay a guy that in the rest of the NFL's mind was "done". Two years later when Marvin was on the sidelines of the Eagles game and the Colts were in need of a WR and some Colts were floating signing Marvin Polian shot it down by saying he joked with Marvin on the sideline about needing him and Marvin telling him he had "one series" left in him. Meaning he was done.
3. The Colts gave Bob Sanders every chance in the world to stay healthy and let them keep him. He played three games in two years for the Colts at the end of his time here and just in 11 games in his last four here after signing his contract. They had to move on to him because his contract was getting ready to explode. Since then he went to the Chargers where he played all of what two games before he was on IR and is now out of the NFL.
4. Faulk wanted out of Indianapolis not because of how the Colts treated him but if you listen to him because of how the people of Indianapolis treated him. If anything they gave him exactly what he wanted and last time I checked giving someone what they wanted isn't mistreating them.
5. We paid him a boat load of money the last year he was here and offered him money to stay after that. He choose to leave for more money. Despite the fact he walked away from the team Irsay still gave him a Super Bowl ring from a team he was not apart of. Have you ever heard of an owner doing that for a player who was still playing in the NFL but not on the team's roster that won a Super Bowl? The Colts will be placing him into the Ring of Honor later this season. Pretty hard to argue he was mistreated.
6. Again we did not let Garcon go. We offered him a contract and he choose to leave for more money. Saturday the samething. He was a free agent he signed some place else. That was his choice not the teams. Addai is now out of the NFL and the Colts gave him a contract the year before that many felt he should not have been given and he didn't exactly back it up with his performance last year. As for Clark again he got caught not living up to his contract. He's probably the closest to mistreated on your list that you are going to come. Even so he was honored with a "thank you" banner when he was released. Frankly in a league that cuts highly priced vets who don't live up to their contracts all the team the Colts did more to honors theirs than most teams do.
Just because fans happen to like guys and they are let go or traded to another team or if they leave as a free agent does not mean they were mistreated. It's a business the players know that and accept that this is part of this. Being mistreated would be if the Colts were sending hurt guys out there to play hurt. That's being mistreated. More specificity to relate this to the thread's topic which is talking about moves that set us back it's hard to argue that many of these moves really set the Colts back. The jury is still out on releasing the players we did last season but frankly if we win more than two games this season you can argue the Colts got better which would mean it wasn't a set back.
No one likes to see their favorite players leave but if you are a fan of a NFL team get used to it. Very rarely does a player have the story book ending to his career that a guy like John Elway got to have where a guy got to spend his whole career with one team and got to walk away on top rather than becoming a shell of his former self and just because they don't get to leave like that does not mean they were mistreated.
I guess mistreated is a harsh term. Most fans don't look into what the front office does with the money etc.
when we see star players released, that ticked us off.
that's what I mean by mistreated
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far from the truth actually if you look at Edges stats the years he went off for 1000+ yards 5 times as a Colt BUT he got 300 or more carries all 5 of those years and if were really crunching the numbers while he was with the Colts he averaged 4.2 ypc while he was with the Colts so while he was a great Back, he got a ton of carries. Edge averaged a touchdown every 37.8 carries or rounded up 38 carries, Brown has averaged 1 every 31.8 carries as a colt or rounded up 32. cant run the ball if your not getting the ball much. Faulk himself averaged 3.8 ypc as a Colt but a touchdown every 25.3 carries.Its very likely if Brown got the same number of carries that Edge and Marshall got then Brown would shatter some of there Colts records and no doubt he would with better olay from the right side of our O Line
incorrect...while yes Edge got a ton of carries...PM also had a ton of pass attempts....a stud back makes your passing game lights out!!!
Brown won't have numbers like Edge even if he had 300 carries. Edge and Faulk were durable backs, Brown is not. Addai only was in his 1st two years, and this is when teams feared our pass so much that having little 80 rushing yard games for Addai is very average.
Faulk and James also were much better catching the ball out of the backfield then Brown or Addai.
Please Irsay do us a favor, get us a stud running back!!!
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Cam Newton and Robert Griffin are both pass-first quarterbacks, and neither are bad at it. I think it's way too soon to assume that neither of them will win a Super Bowl.
yeah, what I was meaning to say is that those QB's I mentioned are not pure pocket passers. My bad.
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That was the 1st piece of evidence that he is on it's way to prove to many people that he will be The NEXT one! He is making the non-believers start to believe. I'm one of the people that wanted Peyton to stay. What Luck did today makes it easier to get over Peyton.
What he did in the last 1/2 a minute was that evidence. The composure and the will to win at all costs. Many young QB's would have been content of just going to OT.
That was great win!!!! GO COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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in order...
1. Mistreating of Peyton Manning
2. Mistreating of Marvin Harrison
3. Mistreating of Bob Sanders
4. Mistreating of Marshall Faulk
5. Mistreating of Edgerrin James
6. Letting go of a slew of talented players in 2012 (Garcon, Saturday, Clark, Addai etc.)
there are many more mistreatment of players we did, but these are on the top of my list.
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Well said. The poor drafts of Chris Polian were also things that set us back a few years, as did the poor choice of having Caldwell as a head coach. We let Jake Scott go and he signed with Tennessee where he helped CJ2K reach his 2K. We let Ryan Lilja go and he went to Kansas City where he helped Jamaal Charles have one of the better RB performances that year.
Agree with everything here, except the Jim Caldwell thing. As far as I can remember he took us to SB. There was no guarantee that Dungy would have taken us to SB back to back.
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Freeney still a great player. We don't have and can't afford anyone better at this point.
Freeney is the best we have at that spot.
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We also could not pass on a stud RB if one comes our way.
this right here is our 1st!!!! priority!!!
remember when we drafted Peyton and the following year drafted James? This transformed our team.
we need to do the same exact thing again. And I dont mean get average Joe RB's like Addai, I am talking about guys like Faulk and James, elite class RB that can create and have athletic ability to do great even with a horrific O-line.
If you look at Faulk and James rushing stats your head will spin. This was all done with weak and pathetic O-lines thoroughout their tenures with Colts.
It could be done mates.
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this style of QB never wins on the biggest stage. McNabb, Vick, Cam and now RG3, never had, never will win a SB.
Run minded QB dont see SB success in this league.
Elway and Young were scramblers, this is different.
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why is a WR dictating and politicking on another team's running game? where is the yellow flag?
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I agree this is long term process and I can't wait to see this team click in all aspects.
The Redskins thing tho, don't forget they are very similar team to what they were last year, aside from RG3 and Garcon. It's not like RG3 inherited an incredible team. They are still on many aspects the weakest team in NFC east.
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and having Peyton extend drives would be nice also, but knowing how he does things that most likely won't happen. Even here in Indy, it seems like every week there is 1 or 2 TD drives that last a minute lol.
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oh and Brady is also boring as can be, he is like a mirror image of Bellichik. Nothing wrong with boring.
Winning is all that matters. Even if you have a circus clown, but losing games, that is no good also.
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I don't care if this guy is like Ben Stein and a piece of wood plank rolled all into one. I wanna see WINS, I dont care how boring he is.
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If Luck is on the Redskins, do they beat the Saints on the road? yeah think about that..
it wasn't all Colts O'line fault
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so we have to wait for Luck to become a great player while RG3 is decapitating NOLA and outscoring great QB's like Brees in their own bulidings?
yeah, why don't we wait for Luck until he is ready to win games...while RG3 is gonna be in playoffs and winning rookie of the year
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yards probably unlikely, but definitely has a chance to lead in receptions
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he is currently top 5 WR in the NFL, maybe top 3. Being primary weapon this year, watch this dude lead the league in catches/yards.
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And the Broncos have a much better team than the Colts. I doubt even Peyton could have beaten the Bears with the team as structured. It would have been closer for sure.
Let's be realistic, Peyton would not have turned the ball over 4 times. Therefore a win easily against the Bears.
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Peyton would have taken them apart like a children's ABC set.
Steelers have better D than Bears.
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Everything I'm seeing on these forums is doom and gloom. What positives did we take away from today? I thought the special teams other than the Brazil fumble was pretty good. The two punts that we saved from being touchbacks was impressive to me. That may be commonplace on other teams, but around here it was a vast upgrade. I think we looked young, but coachable.
Reggie is still Reggie, thats the only positive I took from the game. Oh and running game was good.
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the names you are mentioning were still pocket pass 1st