O-Ther
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Congrats on the win. Looked bad at 21-7, but glad y'all came back to squish the dirty birds. #KeepPounding
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We both played tough, both got turnovers, both dropped passes, and both got jobbed by the refs. Panthers has to earn that one. Only 1 injury on our team and hope you guys made it out healthy.
And as far as Hamilton getting fired and Chudzinski taking over, you're welcome.
Good luck (Luck?) rest of the season, especially against Atlanta and Tampa Bay, and see you in 4 years. Unless we see you before that.
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Pfft...shut down Hilton? That's like saying, "target vontae davis". Ty will not be shut down. He only gets angrier throughout the game.
And you really need to get out of the glass half empty and go into the glass half full analogy.
Just gonna leave this here:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/22/what-makes-josh-norman-top-nfl-cornerback/
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Cmon seriously, who has cam faced? Jaguars, Houston, buccaneers, seahawks, and a horrid Philly. Don't even say that the seahawks game was impressive bc we all know this isn't the 2013 or 2014 seahawks.
And if we beat the Colts, our next opponent, the Packers, will say the exact same thing as you just did. "Who did Cam face? the Colts? Pfft, please. Colts are 3-5, Luck sucks this year, and they've got the worst defense in the league."
Btw, you sound exactly like every fan base we've played so far. Can't wait to prove you wrong, too.
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If Grigson was going to be replaced wouldnt we need to do it asap so the new GM can prepare for the upcoming offseason and draft? Is it possible to hire a new gm after the season and allow them to have a successful offseason with limited time?
If the answer is no, it looks like we are stuck with another offseason of Grigson...at least we can look forwards to a new shiny skill position player in round 1
Answer is yes. We fired our GM after week 6 in the 2012 season. Our cap numbers/contracts guy became interim GM and handled the minor free agent signings and practice squad moves teams do during the season. We hired former Giants GM Ernie Accorsi to consult during the GM search since we had few actual football guys in the front office. He pointed us towards the Senior Pro Personnel Analyst of the Giants and we hired him after an interview on January 10, 2013.
The GM usually keeps the pro personnel analysts and scouting department of the former GM. The new GM usually arrives just a couple months before free agency starts and the draft rolls around. Then after the draft is when those departments are culled and filled with who the GM wants. It's actually not a huge seismic shift. Every team uses one of two scouting services that cover the country and do most of the gruntwork. It's up to the GM and team scouting dept. to decide on 300-500 kids to look at in person and study more film on and work out.
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He doesn't have to agree to a contract this year. He's due just over 16 million next year regardless. Then he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and Exclusive Franchise tag material for 2017; which will likely be $22-23 million all by itself.
Agree he doesn't have to. He could simply refuse to re-sign, force the Colts to tag him twice, and hit the market in 2019, especially if he doesn't like the direction the GM takes. Then the best play would be to trade him out of town, but the Fujita scale couldn't measure a sh!tstorm that big.
The benefits of signing an extension vs. tagging him are 1) he feels in control of his destiny, not like a slave to the team, and won't resent being a Colt
2) an extension can make the first couple years be less than the $22-23 million a tag would cost, giving the Colts more cap space than the tag would
3) doing the deal next year effectively adds another year that the signing bonus can be spread out. Use $30 million as an example. Spreading that $30 million over 6 years instead of 5 years reduces the cap charge per year of his contract
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The person talking the most sense on this thread is a panthers fan...............go figure
If you want an honest, no b.s. assessment, you don't ask your family or friends, You ask a stranger. It helps that we just went thru that crazy train back in May when discussing Cam's extension. Exact same arguments. "Is it the talent around him or him?" "What are the alternatives if we let him walk?" "How much is too much?"
Happy to say he only got $1 more than Matt Ryan did. Seemed fair since they both have 1 playoff win.
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Grigson extending his middle finger instead of a pen to sign a multi-year contract towards Pagano is what happened IMO. Players liking Pagano doesn't mean they respect his authority. And if he doesn't have the confidence of Grigson and Irsay in the form of a multi-year contract, the players won't listen to Pagano since he's heading out the door anyway at end of the season when his contract's up.
Went thru the same thing here in 2010, Fox's last year. Fox was just going thru the motions of coaching and the players didn't listen anyway since he was out the door when season was over. Players got paid anyway, so why should they care more than the coach did?
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and Denver will be the highest bidder
Wow! that works on 3 levels. Altitude, medical marijuana, and most money. Well played, sir.
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I was just playing off of your post. . It was a real fire cracker
Thought it was my overall score since the Russian judge always scores lower. You, sir, deserve a 1 gun salute.
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8 1/2
No rimshot for the pun? you guys are a tough crowd
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Wonder if the Giants insisted on a nine finger discount
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Chud was our OC when Cam was drafted. That rookie year Chud utilized lots of 2 TE sets with Olsen and Shockey along with Smitty demanding the rest of the targets. If our defense had stayed healthy, we could have been dangerous.
You guys have Allen and Fleener to go with TY and Moncrief. Chud would be in his element if he got promoted to OC.
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You'll sign him to an extension this off-season. What's the alternative? Franchise tag in 2017? Then again in 2018? Cheaper to extend him for those years and use the cap space for other positions.
Let him walk? Starting caliber NFL QBs are rarer than unicorns. League's full of past their primes, never developeds, merely adequates, and often injureds. College FB isn't training the kids in the NFL game. NFL defenses would laugh at seeing a spread offense on Sunday.
There will be a line 15 GMs deep to sign Luck to $25 million/year, and about 5-6 who'll offer $30 million+/year if/when he hits free agency. The Peyton Manning free agency tour will be a shadow compared to Luck's since Luck's younger and healthier.
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I know we can franchise him but I just don't want this to get to a point like that. I was being sarcastic about the LeBron point I just didn't put sarcasm after words in my post.
Won't need to tag him next year. You guys exercised the 5th year option back in May. We did the same with Luke Kuechly and Cam. All 1st rounders since 2011 have 4 year rookie contracts with a team option for a 5th year. Option has to be exercised by May of the fourth year.
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Now you know how we feel here in Indy. We beat Peyton in the Playoffs and make the Championship Game but all anyone whines about is how Tommy destroyed us
. Once you start winning, the bar is set so high that anything less than going deep in the Playoffs is unacceptable. It's been like that since Peyton was here, thanks Peyton (sarcasm). I was glad to see Cam finally win a Playoff game. That is always good for the resume. Luck making a Final 4 in his 3rd season is amazing but most people just see the negatives unfortunately.Got one of my relatives who's a big Patriot fan a deflated football for his wedding this summer. He looked at me and I said, "What's that look for? You've got a Viagra prescription"
Thanks for the Cam sentiment. His first couple years in the league he was portrayed as aloof, selfish, and not a leader. Lot of that was the locker room at the time he was drafted. A lot of overpaid vets owned that locker room and were happy with just half-a$$ing it while cashing that game check. Cam's youthful idealism about teamwork was falling on deaf ears. Pretty hard to soar like an eagle while surrounded by a bunch of turkeys. That's why if you look at the captain's C on Cam's jersey, you'll notice only 3 stars filled in despite this being his 5th year in the league. The players vote on that, and the vets based captaincy on the size of their contract. Cam was the first 1st rounder to not be paid a poo-ton of money as 1st overall pick, so they ignored him. Thankfully we got a new GM before Cam's third year and the ship started shaping up.
Sounds to me like a lot of your team's problems are similar to what we went thru with our old regime of Coach Fox and GM Hurney. Sign the big ticket free agents, then draft based on combine numbers or where your roster is thin. We got a lot of inconsistency out of that, plus a free trip to salary cap purgatory. Cleaning up the Colts front office would probably be a better idea than sending the coaches packing, but it might be too late for that with your bye week in two weeks. Grigson's probably gonna rearrange the furniture on the Titanic to save his job when in reality he's the iceberg the Colts ship struck.
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Don't sleep on the NFC Easy this year. Plenty of potential for suck in that division. Bradford in Philly ain't the answer. Redskins played down to the Bucs level. Cowboys might be buried by the time Romo gets healthy. Giants don't live up to their team name.
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Not to be rude or sound cocky but your franchise is nowhere near as successful as ours has been. We have been to 2 SB's and won 1 and been in 5 Final 4's. You guys have been to 2 Final 4's/1 SB with no SB wins. I am just taking the Indianapolis resume since 1984. All of our success has been since 1995 when you guys were in the league too. So I'll just take last 20 seasons since 1995 - 5 Final 4's, 2 SB Apps, 1 SB win to your 2 Final 4's and 1 SB appearance so you cant use the expansion team argument. You guys are having a nice season so don't let it go to your to head. All that matters is what you do in the Playoffs. If you don't at least make the Final 4 here it's a failure. The way your season is going if you don't make the NFC Title Game it will be a fail IMO. Good luck on Monday, I like Cam and he is similar to Luck with the way they play. I was so happy when you guys beat Seattle.
Sure you've had more success than us. That's something to be proud of. Has no bearing on the present, tho. Can't put that Lombardi trophy in the starting lineup.
LOL about all that matters is what we do in the playoffs. All we did last year was win our first playoff game in 10 years and we get no credit for that. We have the longest current regular season win streak at 10 games, yet we get no credit because of our opponents, even tho compared to the other unbeaten teams our opponents have the best winning percentage except for the Patriots. Denver, Green bay, and Cincy's opponents haven't won as many games as ours have, but we're described as having the softest schedule. Just the large market media pandering to their audience.
We've done our part so far beating Jax and Houston. You couldn't throw us a bone and beat the Saints? C'mon, man. Anyway, nice place you got here. I just might take off my coat and stay a while.
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And you tell this to a guy who's team (Panthers) is in a division where every single team ended up with a losing record last year? Tell me when has everyone in the AFC South ended up with losing records? I like his attitude "Keep Pounding".
Our dearly departed former LB and LB coach Sam Mills gave a speech to the team before playing the Cowboys in the playoffs during our Super Bowl run in 2004. He had just learned he had intestinal cancer and had about 2 months to live. Keep Pounding was his message and became the team's rallying cry when the new GM took over. He insisted when the NFL awarded the new uniform deal to Nike that when Nike re-designed the uniforms, Nike stitch the words Keep Pounding into the inside collar. Only team jersey in the league to have that feature.
His son Sam Mills III is an assistant defensive line coach with us, so the team has a tangible connection to the man that said it. Sure there's a bronze statue of Sam Mills outside the stadium and he's still the only Panther to have his number retired by the team, but looking at his son on a daily basis brings it back to a relatable level. An example is the player's twitter accounts. They're all using #KeepPounding this year. It's gone beyond a rallying cry and become a mantra since Thomas Davis won NFL Man of the Year and challenged everyone in the league to be better role models. Really hit home in the Panther locker room and is motivating the whole team.
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the problem is the colts division is not competitive with the rest of the league. you could be a bottom 10(maybe 5) team and still win the south. we also have a lot of those division banners already, and all too often they lead to one and done, or a blow out loss to the first real contender we play.
Yeah I know the storyline with the Colts. I'd count your division as a blessing. But just reading this forum the past couple days, seems most on here consider the AFC South a curse.
My perspective is how many of the teams you guys go 1 and done in the playoffs against have drafted in the top 10 consistently? How about occasionally? I'm not as up-to-date on the AFC or who you've played in the playoffs, but it seems that Patriots, Broncos, Steelers, and Ravens don't draft high or even top half all that much, either. To me, that speaks to scouting and draft tactics. I know because we did the same thing with our previous GM and previous coach.
Coach Fox's first head coach job was here, and he was determined to win now. He wanted vets that could step in right away, and didn't spend the time to coach and develop the rookies we'd draft. So our GM at the time would spend big in free agency, spend big on players the coach liked, and draft according to what holes he couldn't fill in free agency. We need a DT? OK, let's take the top remaining DT (say the 8th best one) on the board even tho there's the #2 ranked Guard that would fill the position for 10 years and our starter there is a free agent next year. That approach left us never having back-to-back winning seasons, a very inconsistent team, unable to develop any depth and subject to rashes of injuries killing our season, and in salary cap purgatory.
Suffice to say a new coach in 2011 and new GM in 2013 have changed things around here. New philosophy is don't pay borderline free agents too much just because you recognize their name and were good in the past. Draft the best available player at the top of your board regardless of the position they play. Make sure the undrafted guys get reps with the starters instead of just being cannon fodder for the starters to practice against. Our current LG bloomed when he started getting a few practice reps with other 4 starting O-linemen against the defensive back-ups instead of being a tackling dummy for the defensive starters to practice against.
Went thru the whole lame duck coach thing in 2010 with Coach Fox that you're going thru with Coach Pagano. Not gonna pretend it's exactly the same situation. Just gonna say it was difficult for him to get the players to buy into what he was selling when they knew he didn't have the full confidence of the GM and team owner in the form of a contract extension. Why listen to someone when you know you'll be there next season and he won't? What a wasted season that was.
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Well that was quick. Mallett just got cut.
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We...win?
I'm trying to hold on to hope.
Good fans do. Went thru it last year. Panthers were 3-8-1 after a tie and 6 game losing streak. 4 games later we're 7-8-1 and division champs. #KeepPounding (please wait until next week, tho)
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Thanks! I always appreciate good information.
I'll Google it, and before I do, I'd like to ask this..... where was the reaction back then? Where was the movement to make the change?
Where were the players demanding change? Where was the President of the players union demanding change?
As for you being new, welcome! And good job!
Thanks! Nice place you have here.
As for the reaction, it was definitely talked about not just on ESPN but also got mentions in the mainstream media as well. No twitter back in 2008 iirc, so it made the news and died out. Now that Twitter makes things explode (re: Odell Beckham's catch), this latest locker room incident reached more people's attention than the Vikings one in 2008. Social media, man.
As far as the players demanding change, sure some spoke out. But I didn't hear much about it shortly afterward. Facebook was pretty new back then and myspace was being used for posting the first selfies, not news-sharing.
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I agree with Phil. We must win the turnover battle to have a chance. However, the Panthers are tied for 5th with a +4 differential while the Colts are 31st with a -8 differential. Very bad news for the Horseshoes. Next hurdle is penalties. With have 5th most in the NFL, and Panthers have the 3rd least. We must clean up those penalties and win the TO battle.
A good amount due of the above, then Panthers have the 5th best point differential (+52) and 8.7 points per game advantage average. The Colts are #23rd with a -27 differential and net -3.9 per game.
If we win TO battle, and are about even in penalties, I expected we could sneak out a 24 - 20 nail biter win. It we lose TO battle and commit many more penalties, as above stats show we easily could, then we will likely lose 31-21, and one of those TD's will be in garbage time, game not as close as the score.
We must get / play better. We are better than this. (I'd also like Chud to spell Pep from O formulating game plans and the play calling too).
Panthers were -2 in turnover ratio in both the road game in Seattle and vs. Eagles yet still won.
If you've got a stud MLB to control the middle run and fast OLB to contain outside runs, plus a good safety for Olsen (Adams?), you could have some success. CB Davis is definitely capable of a pick if he doesn't give up a longball downfield to Ginn. All irrelevant if you can't put together a good running game. How good are your O and D-lines?
. Once you start winning, the bar is set so high that anything less than going deep in the Playoffs is unacceptable. It's been like that since Peyton was here, thanks Peyton (sarcasm). I was glad to see Cam finally win a Playoff game. That is always good for the resume. Luck making a Final 4 in his 3rd season is amazing but most people just see the negatives unfortunately.
Great TEAM win!
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Just so you're aware of it, Packer and RacialSlur fans talked a lot about how the Panthers hadn't played anybody after our match-up with you. Titans fans not so much, but the Cowpukes are already starting the same disrespect of our schedule, which includes the Colts, ahead of our game with them on Thanksgiving. They're as lippy as the Titans boards.