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Keep thinking Wayne has lost a step and is all washed up. I can also name Colts defensive players. That and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Woah, when did I say Wayne is washed up? Overly sensitive Colts fan here. I said he lost a step which is true. Didn't Wayne even admit it himself? He's being used as a slot receiver now isn't he?
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You really know what youre talking about!! I think you should apply to be Belichick's assistant. Maybe even OC or DC. Heck you could probably just be the GM or HC. Everything ANYBODY says you have a solution for!! That takes brains and a special kind of talent
TY is a huge short down threat, but in the redzone he isn't one of the top targets. IE Bradshaw, Allen, Fleener, Wayne, in that order, early on in the season we got Nicks in there alot but haven't lately. That is just passing, obviously Trent or Ahmad can punch it in also. It is also about time Moncrief gets some reps in the redzone because he is probably the tallest WR we have.
TY is a down field threat and can be shut down in the red zone where space is limited. TY doesn't beat teams on short yardage downs.
lol @ TY being used in short yard plays. Ok, please throw to him 5 to 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Feel free to. I hope that's the game plan.
Seriously, TY will go deep and go deep often and the Pats will have to double team him.
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Speed over strength. Hilton gonna blow pass Browner.
That would be great if Browner was actually going to cover TY. It won't happen. Maybe in the red zone where TY can't use his speed.
And what is TY's stats in the red zone and what does he do 10 to 15 yards off the line of scrimmage? TY can be shut down in the red zone where there's not much field to cover.
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But the Pat's LB's are terrible in run defense, and that's the reason they're ranked 26th (what somebody said earlier) in that category.
Allen and Fleener is a great tandem. I believe Superman posted the stats for you yesterday to show you how Allen is actually better than J. Thomas, he just doesn't get as many touches because of all the Colts' threats. Teams may not gameplan around Allen, but how do you know, I bet you have alot of conversations with all the D-Coordinators around the league huh? That's why you're so knowledgeable. If they don't it's because they're worried about TY Reggie Ahmad and other great options. Also look out for Jack Doyle, because he may not have a big name, but he plays like a big boy.
I don't know if I would call Brady smarter, he has more experience and that goes along with it, but I'd have to say he is one of the smartest QB's in the league. Brady has less INT's because he doesn't take risks like Luck does, nor does he throw it nearly as many times, so that is to be expected with a younger QB.
Well, tell that to the Broncos.
The Colts' TE's are not game changers. If the Colts need to rely on either running the ball or dinks and dunks to their TE's to try to slowly move the ball up the field I'll take that instead of 50+ yard TD's to TY. That takes time off the clock and keeps it a low scoring game. And it will put the Colts' inferior secondary and LB's in a bad position to try to stop the Pats when they get the ball. You don't want your D to be put in a position where they are responsible for trying to make a stop late in the 4th.
And if the Colts have to run the ball in this game at home indoors that is a moral victory for the Patriots. I mean who would have thought with the Colts' offense they need to rely on a run game? Oh my. Teams use to LOVE throwing on the Patriots' secondary.
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Go ahead and put Revis on TY in the redzone he isn't much of an option down there considering our other weapons!
Ok, so TY is one dimensional. The Pats will know what coverage and what CB to put on TY in long down field coverage and what to do in the red zone.
TY in the first 15 to 20 yards off the line of scrimmage is not that good? Is that what you're saying? How many receptions does TY have in the red zone and within the first 15 yards off the line of scrimmage?
So put one of the lesser CB's on TY in the red zone and the Pats have the options to put their better CB's and safety's on the Colts' best red zone weapons.
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That's fine, then Luck will throw it to Bradshaw or Allen. So let Revis cover TY and Browner Cover Reggie. There's also Fleener, Mocrief, Richardson, Doyle, and Nicks. Plenty of capable players for Luck to throw to, or he could always run it in himself.
And the Pats will have Logan Ryan, Butler, Dennard, Arrington, McCourty, Chung and Jones available in the secondary too. And Collins at LB who can cover better than any Colt LB.
Since Wayne lost a step and is a slot receiver the Pats really don't have to put Revis or Browner on him..
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So what happened 6 weeks ago doesn't matter for the patriots but what happened 8 weeks ago is relevant for the Colts.
Anyway, you know how you can tell a troll on a forum? Someone who just asks questions but never answers them.
No, what mattered 2 weeks ago against the Steelers matters.
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You're no expert on the colts yourself. In fact most of your posts about the colts have been so wrong its laughable. If you're gonna call someone else out of knowledge of the pats, maybe you should try to be knowledgeable about the colts.
You're right, I don't follow the Colts as much as a Colts' fan does. But I was right about Davis and my suspicions of him. I mean you guys were going on and on about Davis being the greatest CB in the NFL, even better than Talib, and he'd shut down Gronk, and Gronk should fear Davis, and Davis is a monster...........a 5'11" 200 pound monster. Even a Colts fan on here finally chimed in and said Davis hasn't been the same since he left Miami.
The Colts LB's and secondary can not cover.
And is Mathis playing?
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Colts have better LB's just not great in coverage. Pats LB's aren't that good though.
Overall Colts have better TE's (It's just Gronk is the best TE on the field)
Pats have a better O-Line, maybe but that's debateable.
Pats have a better secondary, Yes, but not by much
Colts definitely have a better WR corp
Colts definitely have a better RB tandem
I would have to say Luck is better than Brady! (He can run and is much stronger)
There you have it Colts are better lol
Pats have better LB's. And because the Colts' LB's are absolutely atrocious in coverage that gives the Pats' LB's the advantage.
Pats have better TE's. (Wright has the second most TD's ever for a rookie TE.) And he's improving every week. Gronk might be the best in the NFL now. And no, Allen is not better than Gronk, Thomas, Graham, Gates.
Gronk is a #1 option. Allen is a role player who will get a look if TY, Wayne and the other WR's aren't open. Teams don't game plan around Allen. They game plan around Gronk.
Brady is smarter and more accurate than Luck with fewer INT's and fewer weapons.
Luck is younger, faster, stronger and loaded with weapons.
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Oh they definitely should (the bold part in the first paragraph). If they get TY out wide on Browner with no help, then they'd be crazy to not take a couple of shots with that. Browner's not fast or agile enough to keep up with Hilton if he lets him get off the line.
Revis, I don't know... he's not the fastest guy with a stopwatch but his game speed is unreal. He anticipates routes so well. If they were playing matchups, I'd feel better with Revis on Hilton and Browner on Reggie. But I don't think they'll do that at all. I think they'll mix it up a lot.
There will not be any one on one with TY in long field coverage where the Pats have a long field to defend where TY can stretch his legs. I bet they will put Revis one on one with TY if the Colts are in the red zone. Browner can also shut down the best WR's in the red zone where tight coverage is all there is.
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Luck will take what he is given. If the Pats don't want to rush he will have time in the pocket to look at all of his options (which will get open eventually, even against that great secondary), or Luck can wiggle away and run for a first down. If they do blitz then Luck just needs to check it down to either Ahmad or Trent. I'm pretty sure Andrew has learned by now not to force things against the Pats, but take your shots when they're given, but spread the wealth (like he's done all season), and hit the best guy that's open.
Why didn't Luck do that in NE?
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All these Pats fans in here think they have it all figured out! There secondary is so great (which is true), but have they ever thought how weak they are in the run game? I wouldn't be surprised if this is the biggest ground n pound game we have this season, because the Pats are one of the worst teams in the league defending the run!
We wont need Luck to throw much more than 25-30 times this game because Trent and Ahmad is going to run the ball down there throats. Everybody is expecting a shootout, but wouldnt it be a heck of a game plan to just work the run game control the TOP like always and mix in the pass. If they dare us to run because they're so worried about our aerial assault, then we will gash them for big gains in the run game. Then when they get sick of getting ran on, the Patriots stack the box, Colts do play action and beat them deep
That way if it's close late in the game their defense is already tired and people like Moncrief, Nicks, and Fleener can shine because they weren't worked all game and realitively fresh compared to the Patriot defense, due to that type of strategy. Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I say get our RB's heavily involved in the run and pass game, and let those horses work!
Pats did a great job at stopping the Broncos' run game.
As a Pats fan I would love nothing more and hope for nothing more in this game for the Colts to be more conservative and run the ball and play keep away. It means that the Colts' WR's are being covered well. It slows down the tempo. The Colts are not a smash mouth ground and pound team. They're not. They want to throw and light teams up.
No team wants to get into a shootout with the Colts. The Steelers were at home on grass, sort of bad weather. Colts were out of their element and caught off guard. But it's indoors in Indy and the Colts SHOULD have no problem throwing it around like arena football and throwing bombs down field...
All I'm saying is if you see a low scoring game and the Colts are running the ball it means the Pats' D is doing a good job at confusing Luck and Luck doesn't have the confidence to throw it into Belichick's schemes.
But why would Luck and all his weapons indoors be running the ball?
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Davis is not even close to the player he was in Miami. And hes not the only good player in our secondary. Butler may be the best nickleback in the league, and Toler is one of the best number 2 cbs in the nfl. Brady will of course still get his yards and tds, but it won't be as easy as you think. Our secondary is a lot better than what you give them credit for. Mike adams is rated one of the best cover safties in the nfl, and Sergio Brown has been decent too
hmmmm, the other day all I read on here was: "Gronk better fear Davis." "Davis will shut down Gronk."
I mean, all I read on here was Davis might be the #1 corner in the NFL, even better than Talib.
You don't want to rely on Sergio Brown.
Colts have a better WR core.
Colts have a better D-line IF Mathis plays.
Pats have better TE's.
Pats have better LB's.
Pats have a better O-line.
Pats have a better secondary.
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Nicks won't even be starting Sunday
You're kidding? Is he not healthy or has his game declined that much? I remember at the beginning of the season after the first 3 or 4 games some Colts fans were complaining about his lack of productivity.
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True and last season it was the same and we still beat the Broncos. We also beat Seattle who had a monster defense & won the superbowl as well as the 49'ers on the road. I am going to say it again, ANY GIVEN SUNDAY. Sure it's lame, but honestly teams still win against the better (on paper) opponent.
That's true. But I think that was then before teams really respected and feared TY. Last season didn't the Seahawks basically play man to man single coverage on TY the whole game? The Seahawks believed Sherman or Browner alone could cover TY. That was their own arrogance and it bit them.
It's been almost a full season since and defensive coordinators are starting to game plan differently (if they were smart) and cover the Colts differently.
And Sherman only plays one side of the field. The Seahawks also have a different D than the Pats. Seahawks are a 4-3 pressure D with quick D-linemen. Pats still use a combo 3-4 and 4-3 with different schemes in the secondary. Seahawks will show you a consistent 4 man speed rush through out. Pats will not. Pats will sometimes only rush 3 D-lineman and you won't know which LB will blitz or be sent back into coverage (Rob Ninkovich INT against Peyton last week.)
Luck most likely won't get blitzed much or put under pressure. The Pats if they were smart would keep Luck contained in the pocket and the edges sealed. Force the Colts to run up the middle or make Luck throw into double coverage. They will force Luck to make very risky throws.
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And our TE's will SMOKE your LB's since the Colts biggest weakness is covering TE's. Why do you assume the Colts will cover Gronk with LBs? Wouldn't that be kind of stupid since even you know that the Colt LBs are poor in coverage?
The Steelers made the Colts look so bad. They couldn't stop a nose bleed. Chiefs made the Pats look much worse. Not only couldn't the Pats stop the Chiefs, but the Pats barely put up 14 points. Colts at least made a game of it against the Steelers
You better hope Davis is 100%. He is, but thank you for your concern
Go ahead, please put Davis on Gronk. Then LaFell, Tyms, Edelman, Amendola and Wright will be open like against the Broncos.
The Chiefs beat the Pats in week 4. We all know the Pats were a different team then. Much of the team has changed offensively and defensively. Colts got blown out 2 weeks ago with the same team they're been.
And the Pats know Davis since he played with the Phins. Pats and Brady have a long history of destroying defenses with only one true legit super star in the secondary. Colts' D is not as good as the Broncos' D. That's the bottom line.
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Browner on Allen is a tough matchup for the Colts. Browner did a good job on Julius Thomas.
Yes, that's why it would be so stupid and dangerous to put Browner on TY.
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I don't understand this thing now where fans think they're predicting in-game offensive/defensive match-ups. The entire "How do we stop Gronk?" thread gave me an ice cream headache. Is this like a video game, Madden kind of thing? I don't know, I'm too old for video games now, lol...
The Patriots will not simply assign Browner and/or Revis to a single player and keep him there the entire game. Because that would mean you're playing exclusively in man, 100% of the time. New England will not do that, especially since you have a very talented but still fairly young QB who makes a few head-scratching decisions in each game. They will mix up their coverages on Luck. There are a lot of uncertainties about this game, but that's not one of them.
That's true.
But one of the certainties I hope is the Pats put a constant double team on TY especially with a long field behind them to defend.
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our TEs can beat their LBers. thats the matchup we need to take advantage of. we also need to run the ball. patriots are 26th against the run I believe. less time brady is on the field the better
And our TE's will SMOKE your LB's since the Colts biggest weakness is covering TE's.
The Steelers made the Colts look so bad. They couldn't stop a nose bleed.
You better hope Davis is 100%.
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Belichick isn't that dumb to put Browner on TY.
And I wouldn't put Revis on TY.
TY requires a double team. I would use Ryan or Butler on TY with a safety (McCourty) over the top of him all game.
Revis or Arrington on Wayne.
Browner on Nicks or Allen
Browner would be a good matchup on Allen.
Dennard still available
The Pats have so many options in the secondary now.
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He already did that when he school Sherman last year! HELLO!
Sorry, couldn't resist! Did TY school the Broncos and Eagles? But they lost didn't they? They still got smoked by the Steelers with TY in the game.
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Wayne has catches against revis in his prime in the playoffs
And how many? 1 or 2 catches a game? LOL
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Yeah, the Colts #1 offense will be limited so badly.
You make it seem way too simple. TY has never been double covered before, right? Like the previous Pats games? lol Dwayne allen and Coby Fleener aren't slouches either.
When did the Colts play a team with an excellent legit secondary with depth?
Revis
Browner
Ryan
Butler
Dennard
Arrington
McCourty
Chung
Jones
Colts couldn't get much going against the Broncos and their secondary isn't as good.
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Oh, so you are expecting Moncrief to have a big game? Or maybe Dwayne Allen? Perhaps Ahmad Bradshaw? ;)
Edit: These days Reggie plays a lot from the slot, so he wont be covered my Revis the whole game.
Actually Revis can and has played slot. He did when he was on the Jets and they put him on Welker.
If Wayne is in the slot that benefits the Pats secondary. They can have Revis on him. But if not they'll have either Dennard or Arrington on him. Arrington is one of the better inside slot CB's.
That means Revis and Ryan are on the outside.
Browner on Allen like he was on Thomas last week.
Hilton v Browner
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Well I'm done. All of you stay safe. Good debating.