Gammadoom
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You just said it yourself...Sanchez has 3 interceptions in the playoffs, whereas Tebow has none. Sanchez will naturally have more touchdowns because he has played in more playoff games...but his 192.5 yard average is still lower than Tebow's 226. Their passer rating is darn near identical...Tebow's stats actually look kind of better than Sanchez's. The Broncos defense was, if I'm not mistaken, 1-4 before Tebow came in on offense. No, Tebow is not perfect, but he knows how to win games.
Those stats are pretty misleading though. Demaryus Thomas made Ike Taylor look like a high school player in the Steelers game and I'm pretty sure Curtis Painter could have put up the same stat line. It also seems that you've also kind of skewed the stats to fit your argument:
"Of course he's going to have more touchdowns because he's played in more games" is a statement that you made, but you didn't apply that to the interceptions as well.
There's no arguing that Tebow wins games. Keep in mind that's also one of the main things people said about Vince Young (that's the last VY reference, I promise).
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I don't know how to quantify what makes one quarterback a better "football player" than another quarterback. Tebow might be able to play tight end, so maybe that makes him a better football player. But he's a quarterback, and he's not as good at it as Sanchez. Tebow is a better athlete than Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, and so on. He's not as good a quarterback, and since that's his position, the "football player" designation is really moot. At least to me.
Your Vince Young comparison is telling, but I do think Tebow is better than Vince Young.
Also, I don't mean to discount the intangibles that Tebow brings, but I think they're overblown. In the NFL, your quarterback needs to be able to complete more than 50% of his passes, particularly in the playoffs. He has to be able to stand in the pocket and make intermediate throws through tight windows. Tebow can't do that. Intangibles through the roof, but he can't make the throws, and that's what quarterbacking boils down to.
That's exactly what you want of a quarterback in a typical NFL offense. I think we saw that modifying your plan to fit his skill set is a recipe for some sort of success. The guys that play the other side of the ball certainly had something to do with it, so don't take this as me giving him credit for more than he did.
I just wonder if, once (if ever) he achieves the 50%+ completion mark, whether it then becomes a case of him needing to get to 60%. I'm drawing lose comparisons to some of the talking heads and football fans saying "Peyton Manning has a ring, but he needs another to really cement his legacy". From my point of view, Tim Tebow is probably the most polarizing player in the NFL since Jim McMahon. I can't say that I've had a football conversation with a fan from any team that didn't have a strong opinion of Tebow one way or the other. What do you think he would have to accomplish in order for people to consider him a real quarterback?
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I'm not comparing Sanchez's playoff appearances to Tebow's. I'm saying that the Jets have been to the playoffs twice with Sanchez, so the suggestion that they can't make the playoffs with him is curious to me.
Me saying that Sanchez is a better quarterback has nothing to do with whether he's been to the playoffs or not. Cam Newton is a better quarterback. Colt McCoy is a better quarterback. Sam Bradford is a better quarterback.
I wasn't saying that I disagree with you, I was just a little mistaken in what I thought you meant with your playoff reference and wanted more clarification on how you were measuring these guys.
Would you say that those guys are better "football players"? Or (with the exception of Cam obviously) "athletes"? Better prototypical quarterbacks for sure, but I can't say that I wouldn't want Tebow behind the line of scrimmage with the ball in his hands with the game on the line.
I just realized how much my argument sounds like the Vince Young argument from many years ago and how much that invalidates almost everything that I've just typed...
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Gotta be Tyler Thigpen. A solid quarterback that gets like zero respect whatsoever. Obviously the coaches see the guy in practice and know more than I do, but I felt that he showed a ton of potential in Kansas City.
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A better *quarterback*? Maybe. Then again, using the playoffs as a measuring stick probably isn't the best way to make your argument since Tebow took his team last year as well. Demaryus Thomas just abused Ike Taylor in that playoff game, so I'm not giving Tebow all of the credit, but he certainly had some flashes there as well.
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eventually teams are gonna be like such and such name 100 something catches a pass TOUCHDOWN, hilarious see what I mean, retire the name on the back of the jersey not the number
I have to be understanding your point incorrectly. Let's say we retired "Manning" and then a sweet player comes along in a draft named Suchandsuch Manning. We wouldn't be able to draft him because we retired the name? That's just silly. You can change a player's number, but not his name (unless he's named Chad Johnson).
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No, they do not get to just keep their numbers when they come in if another player was wearing that number. The new player asks the player, buys it from him or they work out some deal. If Peyton were to go to Denver and some scrub were wearing 18 and Manning said he wanted the number, offered to buy it and the guy said no thanks, I like the number that much, one of two things would happen. Either Manning would wear #whatever or that scrub would be cut and the team would then hand the # to PM. You are not just given anything because your a marquee player, it is usually a respect deal though. Never seen it be a real issue.
This just happened on the '08 Colts when we brought Dominque Rhodes back. He wanted to get number 33 from Bullitt when we re-signed him, but Melvin wouldn't give it up.
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A moment that sticks out to me is the now infamous "darn it, Donald" play. Not because I'm a child on the inside and get giddy whenever anyone mutters even the mildest of curses, but because it really showed how ridiculous Peyton is at the quarterback position. Peyton was so aware of what was going on that he knew that Donald was going to miss the block as soon as the ball was snapped and knew exactly how it was going to break down when that block was missed.
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In other news: The sky is blue and water is wet.
Is anyone surprised by this "story"? A coach surviving a zero win season in today's NFL doesn't seem remotely possible.
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What I am saying is that it is stupid to keep him on the active roster this season. There is ZERO to be gained by doing so. You use up a roster spot for someone who is unable to compete, you limit your ability to field a full team and you leave yourself open to risking his life and career by even considering playing him this year. IR'ing him allows him to concentrate on getting ready for next season and not feel rushed. It tells your present QB whomever that is that this is HIS team for the full season. Again I like both Caldwell and Polian, but in this case both are doing a disservice to both the team and Peyton by not putting him on the IR NOW.
This is coming from the person that started the (paraphrasing) "you're not a head coach so you're not capable to make head coach decisions" thread? Really? I'm not normally one to really care about that type of thing, but you seemed to have a really strong opinion about that and now you post this?
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I'm going to have to go with the Browns. I'm pretty sure that's the first sign of the Apocalypse.
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for me, I am glad the NFL has taken the first step in curtailing the fooliness of the fake injury . . . to me it is cheap and shows a low level of character, if you are not man enough to win the game fair and square, then stay off the field . . . if you want to stop the game to get a breather, then call a timeout like the teams do in basketball (altho they do have more TOs, but are mostly called to stop momentum).
This type of fooliness does not happen alot, but when it does it is a problem . . . I do know that in last year's playoff game between the J-E-T-S and Pats no less than THREE times did a jet go down as the pats where driving and it even got the ire of the announcer who indicated on the 2nd and 3rd attempt to "see how long the player will be out" . . . it got so bad that on the 3rd attempt (Bart Scott), the player was on the ground and one leg came in contact with a patriot . . . he missing only one play, is shown laughing on the side lines and the trainer working on the wrong leg, that one that did not come in contact with the patriot . . i am mean really? if you want to fake it make sure you use the correct leg . . . all three pats drives stall after the injury, true, you still needs to execute, but such execution is difficult to do once the defense has had time to regroup . . .
for me there are a few ways to nip this in the butt,
1) Yank draft picks from the team, period, no messing around, make an example of one team and drop the hammer . . . one of the best ways to deter another is through the use/threat of force, and if teams fear that they will loose a draft pick, you will not see many more fake injuries and the intergity of the game will be in tact . . . this will really only take one or two enforcments . . .
2) As some have said, keep the player off the field for more than one play, perhaps a series or two, or like in soccer, leave it up to the descretion of the official when the player can come back onto the field (so it could be from one to a handful of plays), i prefer the former as it does not get the official involved . . . so as to not "hinder" the offense as perhaps they would not want to stop the clock and thus all injuries are "real" on the offensive side of the ball, limit the sanction to just defensive players
3) Perhaps add more timeouts to the game, so team could use a time out or two like in basketball to stop the momentun . . . maybe limit the extra TOs to "injury TOs" and keep the three regular TOs, so a team could have the normal 3 TOs and 1 or 2 injury TOs that can only be used in the case of an injury . . .
my two cents . . .
Disclaimer: The following was heard on the radio, but thought I'd share it here to see whether other people found it as interesting as I did.
How about this variant on #3? Add two 10-second substitution TOs. Keep them short so there can't be any :insert commercial here: and they'd serve the purpose of allowing a defensive substitution without really stealing too much momentum from the offense.
10 seconds may not be long enough, but I feel that the idea may have some merit.
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I came up with December 7th, 2025. Plus or minus two years as the formula may not be exact.
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Doesn't he play for the Omaha UFL team?
I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the info. I can't imagine that he'd sign any sort of contract that didn't have an opt-out if an NFL team came calling though. The guy still seemed to have some fire in him the last time he was on an NFL field, and I would think that he would be itching to get back on one as soon as possible.
It seems really strange that teams were working out Daunte Culpepper and romanticizing about Favre, but I don't recall hearing Garcia's name at all. Does anyone know if there's anything medically wrong with the guy? Or maybe he's got locker room issues? Is this too off-topic to continue in this thread?
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For what it's worth Polian was asked about it tonight and he said that by looking at the replay it was too close to call which is why it was not challenged. Sorry but for a TD that's worth losing a timeout over even if it would have left us wthout a challenge for the rest of the game.
You can't challenge TD's this year. That'd be a fifteen yard unsportsmanlike penalty.
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I wonder if anyone gave Jeff Garcia a call? Did I miss him getting signed to another team or something? Someone with a little more mobility *and* that makes solid decisions with the football seems like it would have been a better direction.
Colts @ Chargers Monday Night Football Game Thread
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The whistle hadn't been blown on the personal foul penalty. Marginal call at best.