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There was no hype? are you mad? ppl called Tim Tebow the savior coming out of college... And what gurantee? you dont know that, in the nfl nothing is guranteed except imminent retirement.
Peyton manning will not be a temporary fix either, he will be the starter for another good three years or even four.... and who is gonna develop him? the colts certainly dont have anybody on their coaching staff anymore to turn him into a leader.
Maybe your memory is not as good as you think. He was project 2nd. round. What kind of hype do you get with that? You might to watch Luck play before you declare him the next Ryan Leaf. Just say'n
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Serious question: Do we still practice special teams???
I think maybe we are the first NFL team in history to decide, "You know what? * it! We're not going to practice special teams anymore and just wing it! It'll be like a Pysch exam in college, it's gonna be great! You, you, you, you and you, just run down the field as fast as you can and tackle the guy with the ball. Ok? Break
Tackle, what's that mean?
Our special teams are, well, special, in a little bus kind of way..........
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Don't need him to teach mechanics. A guy like Peyton would help a young quarterback be teaching him to properly read defenses, when and why he checks out of a certain play by the opposing teams personnel on the field. Coaches can change bad mechanics, they can't account for experience. I agree that Peyton would make a terrible QB coach, but what he can teach on film study, what little quirks in defensive players make them open up what they are about to do.
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Unlike when Manning and Leaf were drafted there is no head to head battle. They're is Luck, than the others. Yes, it is that much of a difference in talent. Landry Jones is good, Barkley is good, but they ain't Luck. They have flaws that if corrected will be great NFL Quarterbacks. The only one who can sidetrack Andrew is, Andrew! With Peyton as a teacher I would not mind seeing Landry or Matt if Luck is off the board when the Colt's pick.
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I don't think you have to be a blind homer to be a fan. You can still criticize the team, management and coaches and still love your team. I have been a die hard fan since they arrived. Traded a Bears jersey for a Colt's jersey and never looked back, through thick and thin. But, make no mistake about it, I will be critical of the team. I will call a spade a spade. It doesn't make me any less a fan than anyone else cause I am not a pom-pom waiver or don't question stupidity when it staring you right in the face. Go and drink your blue cool-aide and think that this 2011 version of the Colt's are winners. Bad drafting and absolutely boneheaded personnel moves are kicking this team right in the apple sack.
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It's possible but considering he has played well when he's been on the field that does not seem to be the case.
There is absolutely no bit of evidence or facts that can back up that nonsense statement.
Well other than leading 26.5 sacks (led NCAA his junior year with 15) and 36 tackles for a loss. 2 year All American in addition to was recipient of Ted Hendricks Award (nation’s top defensive end) and Lott Trophy…was finalist for Bronko Nagurski Trophy, Rotary Lombardi Award and Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award…was semi-finalist for Chuck Bednarik Award…was MWC Defensive Player-of-the-Year and First-Team All-MWC…also received Local Hero Award for work in community. Those awards were just for his senior year, add in his junior year, earned First-Team All-America honors from The NFL Draft Report, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Football Writers Association of America, The Sporting News, Associated Press, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, College Football News and Rivals.com…was one of five finalists for Bronko Nagurski Trophy and finalist for Ted Hendricks Award…was semi-finalist for Chuck Bednarik Award…
It was like he slept through his two seasons as a starter.
Boy, that's true... the staff doesn't know how to use what most of the NFL would consider, smaller, faster defensive ends. The Colts have never had success with THOSE type of DEs.
I get dumber just reading your replies! He went to TCU for Christ sake. They played in Mountain West. Look how he fared when they played bigger programs? He was a non factor. He played running back in high school, wanna try him there? Maybe kick returns? He did that in high school as well. Don't cherry pick your replies to fit your agenda. He was an overrated player, period. He is not going to get any better than he is right now. He won't be a linebacker either as some are suggesting. The kid is just a dud, period. If every 1st. round pick was a guaranteed success they're would be nobody in the NFL from round 2 down. They bust, it's how it works no matter how ya want to spin it.
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Every Friday until Manning returns they ought to just put a generic report out. It should say; 53 players questionable, neck injury....
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Maybe, just maybe, he ain't worth a crap? Anyone ever think maybe the man is just not an NFL caliber player? Happens all the time. Hughes had no reason to be drafted in the 1st. round. He would have still been there @ the last pick of the 2nd. round. Nothing in his last 2 years of college ball suggested he was a 1st. round pick. Even if he had all the talent in the world, we don't have the coaching staff to utilize that talent, or maximize that talent. A pity on both fronts.
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Let me first start off by saying that I am one of the first to bash Bill Polian when it comes to the handling of our offensive line through the draft and free agency. The O-line, behind Peyton, is our most important unit. Peyton’s production depends on their production. Peyton has done a great job in the past few years with his abilities to cover up for their short-comings, but had our line been better and Manning didn’t have to make so many hot reads, I’d wager his stats all around would be much, much better.
And it’s not really unfair to criticize Polian for his handling of the situation as he has said himself that he deserves blame for the situation. But then he turns around and does things like keeping guys like Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Pollak, and, until recently, Jamey Richard and neglecting to attempt to add some serviceable veterans to our line… It’s highly frustrating.
All of that aside, though, I am here to try and sort through some of the Polian debate, specifically the draft side. I’ll start with the issue that seems to be the most prevalent these days when it comes to Polian and the draft:
First Round Draft Busts
Since Polian joined the Colts in 1998, here is a list of first round draft picks: (excluding 2011 for obvious reasons)
1998: Peyton Manning
1999: Edgerrin James
2000: Rob Morris
2001: Reggie Wayne
2002: Dwight Freeney
2003: Dallas Clark
2004: Bob Sanders
2005: Marlin Jackson
2006: Joseph Addai
2007: Anthony Gonzalez
2008: Tony Ugoh (Ugoh was taken in the 2nd round of the 2007 draft, but since we traded our 2008 first round pick to trade up for him that qualifies him as a first round pick in my opinion.)
2009: Donald Brown
2010: Jerry Hughes
That’s quite a list, really. 7 of 13 have gone to the Pro-Bowl. Up until 2007 we were used to getting significant use out of our first round picks. Since then, though, it’s safe to say we’ve been disappointed with what we’ve ended up with.
So how do we interpret this list above?
Well, first, let’s think about something quickly… How many other teams have made 7 of 13 first round picks Pro-Bowlers in that time frame? Honestly, I doubt any did. I don’t want to do the homework to confirm that for the obvious reasons, but I think it’s a safe bet to assume such. I doubt many teams have had such a run in NFL history…
So that, to me, begs the question was it skill, or just luck? That is hard to determine. No doubt the NFL draft is an extreme combination of both. Sometimes home runs strike out, and strike outs turn into home runs. The NFL draft is a tricky beast to master, and no matter how good anyone ever gets at it, there will never be a true master of the draft. Not even a man who drafts 7 Pro-Bowlers in 13 attempts.
The fact that Polian had the run he did in that timeframe, I think, leads some fans to give him too much credit. There is a sense that if Polain picked him, he’s great. He can’t be a dud, and to assume and opine otherwise is near blasphemy and should be punished.
On the flipside of that coin, though, some take a look at our last 5 number 1 picks and say “Well Polian is just awful! He’s old, he needs to retire!” To me, they are letting recent history speak too loudly of a largely good record.
So what then should be the final verdict on Bill Polian in the first round of the NFL draft since he became Indianapolis Colts President?
I think it’s entirely unfair to give him any less than a high passing grade… Maybe it was luck, maybe it was skill, maybe it was fate, but whatever it is, he has been more successful in the first round than he has not, despite recent history. Is the recent trends of 1st round picks alarming? To an extent, yes, but he’s still over the 50% success rate, and by god that’s worth something.
Outside the first round he’s made his fair share of good picks as well… I mean here are notable names drafted outside the first round by Polian:
Marcus Washington (2)
Idrees Bashir (2)
Mike Doss (2)
Kelvin Hayden (2)
Pat Angerer (2)
Jerraud Powers (3)
Donald Strickland (3)
Freddie Kiaho (3)
Jason David (4)
Matt Giordano (4)
Clint Session (4)
Jacob Tamme (4)
Ryan Diem (4)
David Thornton (4)
Austin Collie (4)
Jake Scott (5)
Robert Mathis (5)
Tyjuan Hagler (5)
Charlie Johnson (6)
Antoine Bethea (6)
Cato June (6)
Pierre Garçon (6)
TJ Rushing (7)
Rick DeMulling (7)
Pat McAfee (7)
Kavell Conner (7)
All of those names have stepped in at some time for us and been effective when we needed them to be. There’s even some names not on that list that easily could be. And then you have to take into account, after all of this, how many undrafted rookie free agent’s we’ve brought in and made good use of. I couldn’t find a list of UDFA’s, but there have been more than a fair share of good one’s through here through the Polian years…
One thing I’ve thought for a while now but never really expressed is how hard it is becoming to build a team through the draft with the irreverence that we have. There is no data to support this theory, but I believe that draft “busts” are becoming more and more common. These players leave college, and for whatever reason, it seems their success rate in the NFL is diminishing from top to bottom.
So it makes the draft especially dangerous for a team like us… If more and more players coming into the NFL and onto our team via the draft aren’t going to transition to this level, it’s going to make the way we do things much harder, and make a great draft even rarer than it is now.
So in the end, when you think about how Bill Polian has built this team through the draft, you have to admit he’s done a pretty darn good job of it. I understand that our recent drafts have been pretty mediocre, and while that’s cause for a bit of concern, it’s also the way the system works. Could they continue to be sub-par? Sure. But they could also turn out exceptionally well, you just never know.
Ideally, the best way to build a team is a combination of both the draft, and free agency. Draft some good players, and sign some good low profile players that way when you draft a guy who just doesn’t work out it doesn’t immediately effect you.
But for a team who has built largely through the draft, Bill Polian should get a high passing grade.
As for anything else he does? Well, that’s debatable, but that’s not what this thread is for… I just wanted to take a kind of in-depth look at our drafts in the Polian years and hopefully dispel some of the notion that he’s not near as good as he’s cracked up to be.
As far as this year’s draft goes, I think this may turn into one of his better classes. I think Costanzo is eventually going to work out and be a well rounded LT. Drake Nevis and Delone Carter are already showing they can play. If Ijalana turns out to be a great guard, or even just a decent guard, then there’s no way to call this draft anything but a raging success.
But that’s the thing about the draft: You just never know. It’s not an exact science.
Need to remove Bob Sanders from your list. He was a 2nd. round pick, 44th. overall
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You mean the Hillis that gained 57 yards on 17 carries? Now I will admit the Colts are usually a the cure for an anemic running game, but it's not like Hillis is an elite back.
People put way too much stock in one game. Last year people were saying the same thing. Foster puts up 230+ on the Colts, posters were crying about the Colts being exposed, be lucky to win 6 games, and there was no way the Colts were going to beat the Giants in week 2 blah, blah, blah. The Colts, front office, coaches and players proves all those people wrong and they will do so again.
Not with this coaching staff. Not prepared, guy's playing out of position, Nobody keeping their gap assignments. The inability to recognize the bootleg and screen, 10-12 yard cushions on 3rd. & 5. Without Manning Caldwell and staff are being exposed for what they are, frauds. There is a reason he sucked @ Wake Forest. He has no idea how to evaluate talent, has no idea how to manage a game, he is just lost, period. He got the job cause he was Dungy's buddy. Nothing in his past suggest he deserved this job. Quite the opposite actually. Look at some of the players cut verse some of the players kept. This team has gotten progressively worse since Caldwell took over. They are undisciplined, unprepared and unorganized to name a few. Pitiful to watch, and I will watch. I have watched and loved them since they got to Indy, but sometimes things are true whether we believe em or not. I forgot what 2-14 and 3-13 were like. Guess I am going to get a memory jog pretty quickly.
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If Peyton plays we still get hammered! Peyton doesn't block, play DB, DT, DE or special teams.
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the coaches noticed that we could have done better stopping the run,and i have from a reliable source, they are going to address that in practice
You mean after 5 years of horrible run stopping ability they are all of a sudden going to get it fixed for Cleveland? Okay!
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"Painter for Quarterback" That's what my bumpersticker says. Think about it. Colts are paying Collins millions of dollars to be a Colt for ONE year. Why not invest in the future of the franchise by playing Painter, so he'll be ready when Peyton retires?? Painter would play as good or better than Collins. No one will ever be able to fill Peyton's shoes, but let Peyton mentor Painter. Begin building the next Colts quarterback, and not wait until Peyton is gone to start looking. Collins may have more experience, but Painter has more potential.
Painter is not the future of this team. Never has been, never will be. He was drafted to replace Sorgi, period. He was cheap to keep as the front office once again gambled Peyton would not get hurt. Snake eyes for Polian. They were hoping to not have to deal with Peyton's replacement this soon. He is not better than Collins. By week 3 Collins will have Painter looking like a backup, and I am not a Collins fan, but it what it is. Some things are true whether you believe it or not.
Polian referred to Mike Pollak as a future 'anchor' of this offensive line. THE POLIAN Radio SHOW
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Maybe when Mudd was here some of these hacks had a chance at development. With the current staff, well, I am more likely to win 350 million on the Powerball than some of these current O-Linemen being anchors of anything except, a boat anchor or tug-o-war anchor.