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I am not sure about the Gordy resigning
Resign
1.A.Q Shipley (Our starting Center Satele has been dealing with injuries quite a bit this year and pre injury did not look good but has played a little better as of late) still when Shipley has been called upon he has been able to handle his own out there and has looked good on several occasions
2.Fili Moala-While has not been a world beater he has played pretty decent more often then not, likely not the answer going forward but we dont have the answer behind him either and we have bigger needs at this point that need to be addressed,
3.Antonio Johnson-While Chapman if healthy and can handle his "business" at Nose Tackle will likely be the starter going forward, Mookie has held his own at Nose and would be a good rotational Nose for the defense
4.Donnie Avery-He is going to be 29 by the time next season rolls around which given the position is still young and he has shown good hands this year when called on, not great hands but he has been a serious weapon while being a good route runner, He also has game changing speed
5.Matt Overton-No need in creating an unnecessary hole at a position that goes largely unnoticed until they screw up, he is young and comes cheap by NFL standards
6.Darius Butler-Has made some good plays since starting. 2 Picks and a forced fumble, may not be the answer at the #2 Corner going forward but beast the alternative in Powers
7.Josh Gordy-Struggled early and often in the beginning, I dont think will ever be a starter at Corner but is decent to have as depth
8.Pat Mcafee-Our best special teams player all around, enough said
9.Winston Justice-Not a starter in my opinion but has shown some good and some bad this year. Not a bad option for depth
10.Moise Fokou-has played alright when called upon, nothing spectactular, easily can be exposed in coverage like Conner, Fokou does have a forced fumble this year and a sack and may just be our hardest hitting Interior Linebacker
11.Drew Stanton-I dont see him coming back next year ( I dont see him getting a staring job anywhere), his deal was only for a year so leads me to believe ihe wont last in Indy although decent QB depth would be nice, resign if can
12.Linkenbach-Filled in well at Guard this year, Could even say he has been our best interior O Lineman and its not really even been close, he could be depth going forward if we sign or draft a Guard going forward, if not I have no problem with him sticking as starter at Left Guard although prefer drafting Warmack or Bailey
Released
Freeney
Green
Geathers
Hills
Tevasue
Vaughn
Hickman
Harvey(I like him though)
Colts sign
Jairus Byrd or Kenny Phillips
Tracy Porter or Brent Grimes
William Beatty
Ropati Pitoitua
I think the Colts will look for a NT in the free agent market and a SS in the draft, but other then that nice work.
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Here is my updated Colts Free Agency and Draft....and what I think should be done.
Free agency - Indy trades DE Robert Mathis to the Carolina Panthers for their 2013 3rd round pick. (I may get some hate on this, but Mathis hasnt really wowed me as a OLB in the 3-4. He fits better as a DE in a four man front. Carolina needs another pass rusher opposite Charles Johnson, and we get good value for one of the better 4-3 pass rushers.)
Indy releases the following players
-OLB Dwight Freeney
-CB Cassius Vaughn
CB -Darius Butler
-NT Antonio Johnson
-WR Donnie Avery
(Notice I had them resigning Moala, Powers, Avery, and Nevis. I think they all can be kept for cheap contracts and will be needed. Moala is pretty good at 3-4 DE and can start there, Powers can play the nickel, and Nevis is good at playing DT on passing downs when we run the 4-3 on certain downs. Plus we wouldnt get much for these guys in a trade.)
Indy signs free agents
- OLB Connor Barwin
- CB Sam Shields
- WR Danny Amendola
- CB Dominique Rodgers Cromartie
- Veteran NT. Just not sure who's set to be available
(OLB Connor Barwin fits great in this defense, and we get to take away from a division rival, Shields could be an underrated signing, Amendola replaces Collie in the slot, and Cromartie is not a good fit in Philly's defense and is better man to man. And bringing in a vet NT to share time with Chapman would be helpful. Again, I wouldnt sign these guys if they are going to cost big contracts, so I made these decisions with that in mind.)
2013 NFL Draft
1st round(21st pick)
*Indy trades down to the early 2nd and gets a 3rd round pick in return
2nd round(via trade)- SS Matt Elam (Very instintive safety who has big upside. I could see a 1 or 2 other safeties getting drafted before Elam, due to his size, but he is built compact and can play the duties of a SS. We now have the potential to have a great secondary.)
3rd(via Mathis trade)- OG Larry Warford, Kentucky (Gives us a very good OG who can be a road grader and also has good athleticism for his size at 6-3, 335. Id much rather get Warford than taking a OG in the 1st round in Warmack.)
3rd(via trade down)- DT/DE Shariff Floyd, Florida (Good motor guy who plays physical, and could share time with both Moala and Redding at DE right away. Could be a very good player in a few years.)
3rd- OLB Sean Porter, Texas A&M (Similar build to Von Miller, Porter has good speed and ability to beat OTs. He can play right away opposite Connor Barwin, sharing time with Jerry Hughes.)
Rest of draft - Best player available or trading picks for better 2014 picks.
What are your thoughts?
Hahahaha, mostly not and here's what I'm saying no to
1.Robert Mathis to the Panthers for a third round pick, not gonna happen. Mathis is doing great in the Colts defense, he's worth more then a third round pick to the team, and the Panthers would be the last team in the world who would want him. Greg Hardy (someone I thought the Colts should have drafted instead of Angerer) and Charles Johnson are about the best tandem of pass rushers in the NFL. Plus it isn't like the team doesn't already have good OLB's. Plus Girgson knew he needed to make a decision on who to keep long-term between Freeney and Mathis and I believe he's made the right decision.
2.The Colts aren't releasing anyone, when someones contract expires and they become free agent and sign with another team their not released, their just either not re-signed or the Colts don't bother re-signing them. No ones getting released this offseason all that happened last year it's over. Now as far as the names you mentioned as to not being re-signed go, I'll agree with you on all of them except for Vaughn, because he's an RFA and it would only cost the team 1.9 mill to give him a second round one year tender. Meaning if another team out bids the Colts to re-sign him that team would have to give up a second round draft pick (2.7 mill for a first).
3.As far as players the Colts are looking at for the free agent market I don't think the team will be looking at 2 high priced corners considering the fact that their stuck with Vontae Davis till 2014 and I don't think the team will look at Amendola, Shields, or Barwin. Because the team has too many other needs to look at OLB's and WR's. Plus Shields is an RFA who isn't worth giving up a second or first round pick for.
3.As for NT here's a list of free agents who are either already NT's or could play the position and beat out Brandon McKinney and Josh Chapman in my opinion: Casey Hampton, Trevor Laws (only by a little (not much better then Johnson), Isaac Sopoaga, Kevin Williams, Terrance Knighton, Kyle Williams.
PS.
I expect the Colts to look for a guard and SS with their first 2 picks then go G/C and DE/DT.
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In a Man Blocking scheme (like the Colts have in place for the most part) I see Olsen going back to his natural Tackle spot he played at Iowa, just does not have the size and strength and was abused before his season was ended (mercifully I think for many of us fans). Shipley has not played great but he has played better then Satele, if Satele was set to be a FA along with Shipley then I'd let Satele go, as it is I'd have an open competition next yea between Satele and Shipley, I think Shipley has played much better. Also Avery has been the more productive of thew two (Hilton. Avery) his draw back is age. Linkenbach has been our best Guard this year, has no business at RT though, Vaughn is also awful, I'd pick Gordy
I'll agree with you on Avery and Shipley but only because Satele has had injury problems this season and missed allot of ota's, next season I expect Satele to be better then Shipley. But even though Avery is playing better then Hilton and Brazil, something to keep in mind is that Hilton and Brazil are both rookies drafted no higher then late third round, they'll both be better next season. Plus given his history or injuries everyone knows Avery is just going to get injured once someone signs him long-term. So I guess I'm comfortable with the Colts re-signing Avery to a one year deal even though they have much bigger needs to address in free agency then WR. As for Olsen, well lets just say that if he gets moved to tackle Justice will be gone and the Colts will look for a starting guard and backup center in the draft. As for Linkenbach, well lets just be completely honest, he always just plain sucked and even though he sucks at both guard and RT I still think he's better suited for RT and I'll take Rietz or Shipley any day over him at both positions. But either way I expect him not to receive any tender from the Colts next season and sign with a new team and I think every sports writer for the Colts would agree with me here. Now as for Gordy vs. Vaughn, I'd take Vaughn because at least he plays well on special teams.
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Forgot, Add Powers to the release list
You forgot Collie too, agree with you on both too btw.
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Resign-
1.Donnie Avery-Not a great route runner or perfect hands but he has been as productive through 11 games as I thought he would be all year long and he has remained healthy this year, Would like him to find the end zone more because he has alot of potential in my opinion and its not all coming out
2.A.Q Shipley-Has not played eye popping but has played much better then the current starter Satele in my opinion, at least Shipley has balance which if you focus on Satele you can clearly see he leans to far forward off the snap of the ball and is not nearly as physical as advertised (and looking at a few games that Oakland played last year you can see the same thing)
3.Fili Moala-Was not playing spectacular but was coming along well in the new scheme, would be a decent starter if we did not get a 3-4 DE in the draft or FA, If we did go the draft route for that position then he would be a solid backup option
4.Antonio Johnson (we dont know when Chapman will be able to play or how good he will be after injury,) also Mckinney is a huge man who injured his knee who was not even real good pre injury, Tevasue is also in the last year of his deal as well, Johnson while not our NT of the future is still our best backup option for the future unless we take a NT in the draft somewhere or in FA.
5.Josh Gordy-Has not done much thats relevant this year outside of a sack vs Jacksonville but he is still young, aggressive Corner who is not afraid to jump a route and can blitz from the Nickel, I'd keep him on a minimal deal for depth and see what he can do with it in a 2nd year in this system
6.Darius Butler-showed flashes of very good talent vs Jax with 2 picks and then followed that up with a forced fumble vs New England, Could be a #2 perhaps but I'd bring him back to compete with Gordy for Nickel
7.Winston Justice-While not the answer going forward, he could provide us with some sort of decent depth
8.Drew Stanton-Outside of Byron Leftwich, Charlie Batch and Matt Moore Drew Stanton would be the best option as a backup QB behind Luck. I'd be alright with Batch or Stanton or Moore but will stick with Stanton
9.Jeff Linkenbach- While Link has no business at Right Tackle he has played pretty decent at Guard and would provide us with some decent depth, nothing great but I wouldnt be worried if he was subbed in at RG or LG
10.Matt Overton-ya need a long snapper and Im not investing money in another guy just to hike a ball on field goals, he is cheap, he stays for now.
11.Pat Mcafee-Good but not a great Punter and is a pretty good tackler (unfortunately we have seen that one to many times)
12.Moise Fokou-Nothing spectacular about him, Seems to be a thumper, not good in coverage but has done pretty decent when called upon to play, saves us from having to unnecessarily go for depth
Releasing
1.Tevasue
2.Hickman (I think we will be looking elsewhere for a backup but to me can be a Wild Card in terms of staying or going)
3.Tony Hills
4.Cassius Vaughn
5.Mario Harvey ( I think he is a heavy hitter though and do like him)
6.Clifton Geathers
7.Dwight Freeney, Still has good but not elite pass rushing ability in him in my opinion but at 32 and soon to be 33 the time has passed for him in terms of him having to learn a new defense and rethink his instincts to pass rush but now also play the run, Great Colt, will miss him, cant wait for him to retire to say goodbye properly but situations change and unfortunately Freeney nor anyone else can turn back the clock, if we could then I could see him getting this new defense he is in in time, unfortunately ya just cant
Disagree some
RE-sign
Pat McAfee-With the type of offense the Colts run, he's too valuable to let hit the free agent market. Plus he's fun to listen to on Bob And Tom and cares about his fans.
Joe Reitz-RFA first round tender, the guard class is way too weak
Fili Moala-Agreed not the best, but a must re-sign since he will likely give the team a small home team discount and will come cheap. Plus signing another DE for more wouldn't be too wise of a decision for the Colts since they are pretty desperate for a NT but not as desperate as they are for a T, G, or #1 CB.
Cassius Vaughan-(2nd round RFA tender) Him and Gordy are the only to RFA D-backs the Colts have on their roster and the given how much they need to address the CB position (even if they land a huge name FA CB in 2013) in the draft. The team needs to make a choice between Gordy and Vaughan as their #3 cover corner for next season.
Winston Justice-Agree with everything you say and he should bring a small home town discount with him as a backup. But if he wants to get paid like a starter, let him go.
Mosie Fokou-Agree with everything you said and the fact that he should bring a small home town discount to the Colts.
Tavasue-too restricted too easy to keep for next to nothing even though he sucks, he can always be cut in training camp.
Gone
Donnie Avery-Good receiver, needs to stay healthy and Grigson drafted too many guys for the Colts to invest any money at the position in the free agent market. And I am perfectly aware most Colts fans disagree with me that Hilton and Brazil will be good 2 and 3 receivers next season.
A.Q. Shipley-Team needs to make room for draft picks at the G position plus Olsen can play Center
Antonio Johnson and Jeff Linkenbach on your keepers list. Really? After how poorly they've played in the team's new system?
Drew Stanton-Gone, the team doesn't need to invest in 3 QB's on their roster. Plus given how weak the free agent QB class is with thus far Flaco (who will likely get franchised) being the only starting caliber free agent, Stanton will likely get over paid as a backup else ware.
Darius Butler-Gone, will likely want too much money for his Jacksonville performance.
Freeney-Agree with everything you say, him leaving for another team may be a tougher pill to swallow then Peyton leaving since sadly Jacksonville and Tennessee should be the top 2 contenders for him in the free agent market. But he doesn't fit a 3-4 and we already have Mathis who fits a 3-4 well as our needed wiley veteran in the LB core.
Agree with you on Hills too, other player mentioned in releasing not free agents according to rotoworld.com.
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Clady's offer will be upped after they see how is protecting Peyton - a 5 yr. $60 mil. offering is around the corner for sure.
With 35 million guaranteed in 2 years.
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Btw, when I said Clady rejected a large offer from Denver, I was telling the truth. He rejected a 5 year 50 million dollar deal, and he and the Broncos stopped contract talks. When I said DRC was re-signed in the Sam Shields post I was predicting.
There is a chance we do get Clady.
Unfortunately as much as I hate to say it no there isn't unless we want to give up 2 first round picks and an ungodly amount of money. The Broncos have already said they will use the franchise tag on him if a deal cannot be agreed on by the deadline to use the tag according to rotoworld.com and as we both know Clady is likely going to demand to be the highest paid O-lineman in the league. The Colts with the offensive guard class being so weak these next 2 seasons cannot afford to give up 2 first round picks the team could use on a guard for a LT even one as good as Clady. And oh yeah btw, just for the record my estimated numbers on Denver's salary cap in terms of the team keeping Manning and Clady are with the team releasing DJ Williams counting the full 6 million he is owed next season.
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and what the heck is executive rights tag? if by that you mean Franchise Tag thats plumb nuts
I'm not sure, but I believe the ex rights tag allows the Colts to match any offer another team gives a player to get that player back. I think it's like a first refusal tender on an RFA. I was also under the impression that NFL teams are allowed to place ex rights tags on 3 of their own players. But for the Colts the only player they'll need to place an ex rights tag on is Pat McAfee.
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1 Awful
2 wont happen
3 wont happen
4 If he goes anywhere it will be to a 4-3
5 They will be franchised
How bout this since this Colts top 5 needs headed into free agency granted McAfee is re-signed.
1.Since the guard class sucks so bad, offensive tackle (there are other good ones out there who won't be franchised at both left and right tackle other then Clady and Long)
2.#1 CB-Team will have a better FA to go after then Sean Smith
3.NT
4.SS
5.RDE/DT (position oposite Redding)
I would also like to add that there is no need for WR's to be in the Colts top 5 free agents list. Reggie is a good #1 who doesn't need replaced at this time or until he retires at least thus far, Hilton is a good #2 receiver, and Brazil is a good #3. Both have better stats then Reggie and Jerome Pathon did their rookie years. And I think it's debatable Bowe gets franchised again.
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Free Agency
Main Signings
Ryan Clady- OT Denver Broncos
6'6 315 lbs
It will take a lot of money, but we have that. Clady is the bet pass blocking (maybe best all around) OT in the league. He rejected a big offer from the Broncos.
Andy Levitre- OG Buffalo Bills
6'2 305 lbs
The best OG in free agency. We have the money.
Sam Shields
5'11 185 lbs
Rodgers-Cromartie is resigned, so the Colts go after another speed demon CB. He will hopefully fill the void left by Powers at #2 CB.
That isn't it, but I'm not getting into it that much. We add plenty of depth, too.
Re-sign
We re-sign Avery, Fokou, Butler, Justice, McAfee, Reitz, Vaughn, and Tevaseu.
1. Matt Elam- SS Florida
5'10 202 lbs
He brings what Bob Sanders brought. A guy who people are afraid to be around. He has the speed, tackling, and power to be an instant probowler. His knocks are size and his tendency to occasionally get lost in coverage.
3. Larry Warford- OG Kentucky
6'3 343 lbs
Can be dominant at times, but needs to finish through blocks more often. Will fall further than his talent because of his position and school.
4. Sean Porter- OLB Texas A&M
6'2 230 lbs
Porter has struggled in his new role as a 4-3 OLB. He was a monster at 3-4 OLB last year, and has great athleticism. He is playing out of position, but he will get to play una 3-4 again with us, and hopefully return to his prior form.
We sign Dustin Hopkins- K FSU as an UDFA(or use a complimentary pick on him) to compete with Vinatieri. He has the strongest leg in the draft.
Now our secondary, OL, and LBers are set. We still need a WR to replace Wayne and more talent at DL. Eventually we may need to get a good RB, but we'll see how Ballard and Brown play behind this revamped line.
Thoughts? I know I must've missed something.
DO NOT QUOTE MY ENTIRE POST
That signing strategy WON'T WORK, first off Ryan Clady even though as a Colts fan I would absolutely love to see him blocking for Andrew luck more then any other lineman in free agency, as much as I really hate to say it isn't leaving Denver. Granted the Broncos franchising him (here's for another post about Peyton) with Manning being owed 60 million in the next 2 seasons making him the highest paid player in the NFL and Eric Decker set to become a free agent in 2014 will put them a very rough estimate of 7.8 million over the cap based on contract situations according to rotoworld.com. Which means in order to keep Peyton Manning, Ryan Clady and Eric Decker the Broncos will have to cut some key defenders in the next 2 seasons who could have value to the Colts in the next 2 seasons starting next off season. Because even if Clady re-signs with the team long-term after he's franchised he will still likely be owed franchise tag type money the first 2 seasons of his new contract. Secondly the 2013 free agent class, although it may be stronger then average still has a weak bunch of offensive guards. No way Grigson over pays for Andy Levitre and I doubt the Colts make much of an effort to sign a new face at the Guard position. And finally Sam Shields according to rotoworld.com is a restricted free agent, meaning the Packers can and likely will give him a 2.742 million dollar rfa tender meaning for another team to sign him, that team will have to make him an offer the Packers cannot match then give up a first round pick to get him. No one in their right mind would ever give up a first round pick for Shields.
So Colts needs going into the draft and free agency and how they will address them in the order needed for the starters/future starters
G-Rietz first round RFA tender, other Guard position addressed in the draft w/first round pick (opened to first round suggestions on who the Colts could draft based on their record and if they make it based on how they do/are projected to do in the playoffs).
T-Free agency
#1 CB-Free Agency
NT-Free Agency
SS-Draft (third-forth round pick) (opened to first round suggestions on who the Colts could draft based on their record and if they make it based on how they do/are projected to do in the playoffs).
DLE-Draft (third-forth round pick) (opened to first round suggestions on who the Colts could draft based on their record and if they make it based on how they do/are projected to do in the playoffs), Fili Moala re-signed for next to nothing (a few million (possibly not even 2 mill).
P-McAfee re-signed (long term deal)
K-Draft (5th round or lower) (opened to first round suggestions on who the Colts could draft based on their record and if they make it how they do/are projected to do in the playoffs).
Projected draft pick for the Colts in 2013-First round playoff exit, 10-6 record low to mid 20's first round selection.
Other free agents the Colts will re-sign-Mosie Fokou (low lever contract), Winston Justice as a backup if money is right, Cassius Vaughn (RFA 2nd round tender (1.9 mill), team may also bring back Martin Tevaseau with the executive rights tag 50/50 chance on him.
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the day after the trade deadline we have $5 million in cap space which how the new CBA allows us to rollover unused cap space into next season(per John Clayton). we have like $40 million already plus the $5 million thats going to rollover into next season that gives us around $45 million in cap space for the offseason.
Per ProFootballTalk, the #Colts currently have $5 million in cap space. That's dead in the middle of the league, 16th.
http://espn.go.com/b...rollover-totals
"One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season."-Clayton
Oh yeah btw, we already have 40 mil OK, that's prolly mostly dead cap money from the guys we released add the expiring contracts of Powers, Johnson, add Freeney's 19 million (something that would not be there if the team didn't have the money to pay off their dead cap), and subtract roughly the 6 million extra owed to Wayne and Mathis and you get 62 million.
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the day after the trade deadline we have $5 million in cap space which how the new CBA allows us to rollover unused cap space into next season(per John Clayton). we have like $40 million already plus the $5 million thats going to rollover into next season that gives us around $45 million in cap space for the offseason.
Per ProFootballTalk, the #Colts currently have $5 million in cap space. That's dead in the middle of the league, 16th.
http://espn.go.com/b...rollover-totals
"One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season."-Clayton
OK so doing the math that accounts to 62 million based on my sources.
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Ted....
First, you haven't even explained what all of those numbers are. Some, yes, but not all. I have no idea what the 36 is and that's the largest number. Explain every number and we can start a conversation, otherwise... what's the point...
Second, Luck's 15 Mill is prorated over 4-years, it's not money that's available to be spent next year... so, I'm confident you don't know how this system works. I may not either, but I know enough to see the mistakes I think you're making.
Your numbers are wrong. Not by a little, not by a mile, but by light years.
1.I dunno where your getting that thing about Luck's 15 mill being spent over a few years, if you look at the Colts cap numbers their middle of the pack in terms of NFL payroll and don't have allot of high priced guys outside of Freeney. Plus Manning's 28 million was a signing bonus tacked onto his yearly salary of 23 million in one year. So personally I don't see how Signing bonuses come with in a few years. But either way I guess we can subtract the 15 mill signing bonus (even with it Luck's contract numbers are about the same as they are now).
2.The 36 million is dead cap from the guys the Colts released last season and Kelvin Hayden. Well actually that number was 38 million. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/colts-moves-result-in-38-million-of-dead-money/
3.Mathis, Wayne, and Redding next season will be owed about 6 mill total, but the contracts of Powers, Collie, Johnson, and Justice add up to 6.5 mill.
Also notice this site does not include any signing bonuses
So without Luck's signing bonus and the team 9.5 million under the cap that puts the Colts at 67 million under the cap (82 million with Luck's signing bonus being paid this season). And that's not counting the expiring contracts like Donnie Avery under a million. I think that's a pretty accurate number. And btw according to Mike Chappell Vinatieri will not be cut next season which makes since considering the fact that his dead cap number is high and he's entering a contract year.
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If we can get Freeney for good price which I think we will I'd would love to see him and Mathis retire as Colts. Moala and Johnson to me depend on if we can Get Chapman out their this season but if Chapman plays well I would let Johnson go. I would bring back McAfee for sure. Might have to let Powers walk unless we can get him for a good price. Would give Avery and Stanton another year and between Link and Reitz I'd go Reitz.
Aside from Avery, Stanton, and Freeney I agree with everything you've said. The Colts don't need 3 back up QB's on the roster and their receiving core seems pretty set without Avery. Plus even though it would be nice to see him retire A Colts, I highly highly doubt Freeney comes back. Tom Condon (an agent that has not suited well with the Colts in the past) is his agent which means unlike the last big contract, he will be over-paid where he goes which will likely be another team for 3-4 years with Miami, Tennessee, and Jacksonville as the front runners. Plus keeping Freeney since he will likely want a long term high priced deal and clearly does not fit a 3-4 defense next season would be the biggest mistake the Colts could ever make.
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I'm quite confident your math is not just off, it's spectacularly off. I'm not even sure I want to get into this anymore.
So, unless someone else wants to step in here, I'll politely leave this conversation....
We'll revisit this later this winter.... until then....
Once again no sources stating the Colts have more dead cap money for the guys they released next season or that Bethea, Mathis, and Wayne are owed ungodly amounts of money. And my math is certainly not off 15+2+10+36+19 does equal 82 million. Seriously I don't know where or how your getting the Colts being 45 million under the cap, that number can't be right and people are prolly only saying it because no other NFL team is over 45 million under the current salary cap.
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Oh and DFree.... vet min... ONLY
Ahahaha Freeney will likely ask for and get more then what we gave Mathis last offseason keep in mind his agent is Tom Condon but don't worry Grigson UNLIKE POLIAN will be smart enough to avoid Tom Condon clients.
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IMO Johnson and Mac are the only 2 I'm giving any kind of money.
Link can play every position so he probably stays, and he has played very well at G... he just really has a hard time at T. But he is handy when this team is in a pinch.
Powers.... He is slowly playing his way out of town, plus he like many on this list are INJURED ALOT. I'd pass on most if equal or better talent is available.
Avery... playing for a contract... I have a feeling when he gets it he will be on the injury list weekly. I just don't like him all that much. He's ok... that's about it. For the right price ya, but if he is wanting too much .. bye bye.
Justice and Moala ... dang they have played well but ..... ALWAYS HURT.
a lot of dead weight on that list IMO. The Colts have lots of cap room. They don't need to blow it on 2 or 3 NAMES, I prefer they just use it on 6 or 7 starting caliber players.
Add a solid draft ... and 2013 here comes Indy.
Johnson ain't worth anything in a 3-4 an Link ain't worth anything either. Add Rietz, the LS and I agree with you 100%
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Ted.....
What is your source on the "AT LEAST 80 MILLION UNDER THE CAP" claim?? There have been many threads around here for months discussing this very issue. I wrote $40+ because I think the number is $43 Mill, but wasn't quite sure. Either way, I've never seen a figure higher than $43. So, what is your source. Can you provide a link?? Otherwise, there have been no stories posted here that support that.... none.
Well the number I can assure you is at least 15+36+19+10 mill it's all dead cap space (36), freeney's contract (19), and Luck's signing bonus (15) plus 10 mill under the cap all those numbers add up to 80 mill + Johnson's 2 mill=82 mill but with all the expiring contracts next season the Colts will be well under the 53 man roster mark. Unless not all of the Colts 36 million in dead cap doesn't count against the cap or Wayne, Mathis, or Bethea are owed more then their average for the years on their new contract's. Which I highly doubt they are since the team did elect to keep Dwight Freeney. Plus I highly doubt the Colts would have released Dallas Clark, Joseph Addai, Peyton Manning, Melvin Bullitt, or Gary Brackett if they knew their dead cap contract numbers wouldn't be up till the contract's they signed with the team in 2008, 2011, and 2009 were up just ask the experts on the Indy star. Not to mention the fact that Hayden was only released 2 seasons ago because he failed his physical right before entering training camp according to Stampede Blue. Seriously I don't know how or where your getting the 45 million number unless Mathis, Wayne, and Bethea are owed ungodly amounts of money next season or the dead cap numbers of the guys they released add up to 25 mill which I doubt they do otherwise those guys wouldn't have been released except maybe Peyton depending on how long his dead cap numbers lasted.
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1. Johnson does not suck. He has been mostly consistent in clogging the middle and keeping the lb's clean. He has had his bad moments but so do all players. He's not meant to be a pass rusher yet he has been collapsing the pocket more recently. He was less than a step away from 2 sacks against the browns. There have been several runs busted up the middle of our defense but every time its happened i rewind the play to double check who the nt was on the play and with the exception of a less than a handful of plays (all season) it was the backup nt in on that play. Im not saying hes pro bowl material by any means but he has played very well for the most part. If chapman can emerge as the nt i think he can be then i think we'll have a very good 1-2 rotation with him and aj. I dont expect tevaseu to be back next year and mckinney is iffy. Id also say that aj could slide over to 5 tech de in 3-4 fronts in running downs.
2. I agree with you completely. I merely brought up the point to explain why our run defense is still poor and inconsistent and its not because if aj. Mathis is much better at chasing s run play down from behind than he is at setting the edge on plays that come to his side. I do not mean to say we should get rid of him though. Far from it.
3 as gavin already pointed out there us a huge difference between being prone to injury and being currently injured. Bob sanders and anthony gonzales were injury prone. Chapman merely is currently injured. Big difference.
1.OK, I will give credit where credit is due. If McKinney were a free agent next season Johnson would stay, but the bottom line is he's not and releasing him saves practically nothing against the cap which is why I anticipate him back. And Johnson does get run over, most of the runs against he Colts either come on the DL side opposite Corey Redding (lately they haven't had too much of an issue with that) or right up the middle at Antonio Johnson. Good NFL team's don't let that happen.
2.I kind of agree with you on Josh Chapman. Granted he may not have an injury history from college, but he still has a pretty serous injury from last October the Colts really should take precaution with and sign a good NT. Plus NT is a tough position to learn, rookies and first year guys coming off IR need good veterans to learn under.
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Hold on now.... let's come up for some air here and take a deep, deep breath....
I haven't read Stampedeblue much lately, but the salary cap numbers for next year at roughly 40+ that we'll have to spend, not 82-90 Mill. I don't know if that's a misread by you, or an error by them. Either way, I think it's way, Way, WAY off.
Second, Injury prone, means just that. Prone to injury. Being currently injured doesn't mean injury prone. Of course Chapman went lower due to his injury. He hurst his knee in early October, and bypassed surgery for 3 1/2 months so he could help his team win the National Championship. I don't know if he'll play this year. But there's no one in football circles who has called him 'injury prone'...
Let's make sure we're all on the same page so perhaps we can find some common ground before the latest raging internet debate starts.... Shall we? Hmmmm???
p.s. -- Ted, if you could please link the story that has the salary cap figures on Stampede Blue here, that would be appreciated. Or at least, try to guide me there. I just went to their website and couldn't find it. Not saying it's not there, only that I couldn't find it. Any help you could give me with this would be great.
Thanks again....
p.s.s. -- Here's a guess... the figure of $82-90 million is approximately what we ARE spending THIS YEAR. Not what we'll have to spend NEXT year. Here's a story that references the $82 Million figure. It's at the bottom, and the story is short.
1.the Colts WILL BE AT LEAST 80 million under the cap next season unless Wayne and Mathis are owed more then what the average per year salary of their contracts is, which I doubt they are because if they were the team would have already released Dwight Freeney. 40+ million doesn't say exactly how much the Colts are under the cap, it just says their over 40 million under the cap it still does not say how much they are under the cap. Secondly factor in the team currently being roughly 9.4 million under the cap, the 36 million they dumped in dead cap this off season with releasing Dallas Clark, Peyton Manning, Kelvin Hayden from last season, Gary Brackett, Joseph Addai, Melvin Bulliitt, and uh oh yeah Curtis Painter according to Mike Chapell of the Indy star who has covered the Colts since 1984 none of that money counts against the cap in 2013. Then factor in the 15 million from Luck's signing bonus plus Antonio Johnson's 2 million in cap space, Dwight Freeney's 19 million, and you get at least 80 million in cap space. Unless dead cap space (or at least not all of it) does not count against the cap. I really can't say much more about dead cap space because I can't get your link to work.
2.I'll agree with you on Josh Chapman, but either way the Colts need to take precaution on him and at least sign a good NT this off season. His injury sounds very serous and we don't know if it's career threatening. Plus NT is a difficult position for a rookie to learn, Chapman needs a good veteran to learn under.
3.As for stampede blue again most of that was web posting from Colts fans not writers for the site. So I guess it's not real valid info, but either way judging by the way the Colts defense is playing I think you can make an argument that NT is a pretty big need.
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Actually thats not true. Teams are mostly busting big runs off tackle and on sweeps to the edges. Freeney and mathis, while great pass rushers, struggle with and are inconsistent at setting the edge on running plays. Not to mention bethea and zibs have struggled as well often times overpursuing and taking poor angles. Runs straight up the middle more often than not have been stuffed, especially when mookie is on the field. Id be very surprised if mookie is not back next year.
And on what are you basing that chapman is "injury prone"?
1.Johnson sucks he can't stop the run and he can't pressure the QB, the Colts biggest need on defense according to Brad Wells and a bunch of post on Stampede Blue (at least as of last offseason), is at the NT position they will have 82.6-90 million in cap room next season. The Colts big move in free agency will likely either be for an offensive and or nose tackle. They will likely have to make that move in order to avoid salary cap penalties. Plus re-siging Johnson and a good NT in free agency would mean Ryan Grigson keeping at least 4 NT's on his roster, no team in the NFL has that kind of roster space unless someone gets injured either towards the end of the season or during early offseason OTA's before free agency if there even are any.
2.Mathis may not be that great at stopping the run, but he still manages to unlike Freeney constantly pressure the QB and get sacks. Last offseason the Colts made their decision on who they were going to keep long-term between Freeney and Mathis and personally I think it was the right one. Freeney will get a bigger contract with another team then Mathis did last season and Mathis fits the 3-4 better.
3.I'm only saying Chapman is injury prone because he is currently injured and hasn't played a single down. There's a reason Chapman slipped as low as he did in the 2012 draft and I think it's because of Injury.
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Were not going to get any compensatory picks. We only lost (Garçon, Wheeler, and Saturday) to free agency. And we added Redding, Avery, Zbikowski, Satele, McGlynn(all starters) we added more than we lost in free agency.
Compensatory picks are not about who you loose and replace them with or rather or not you try to re-sign players you lose, their about contracts and performance with a new team. Garcon got a big contract, but he is also injury prone which means we will prolly get a 4-5th round pick for him and the same goes for Saturday and Wheeler if they can stay off IR since their contracts wasn't super huge like Garcon. Garcon would give us a 3rd round comp. pick if he could stay healthy and Wheeler may give us a bit lower pick then Saturday.
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a Nose Tackles job in a 3-4 is not to get sacks, Johnson is more of a pass rusher from Nose then Chapman is he just doesnt have the sacks to show it, Chapman is a blocks eater that Johnson is not consistently in my opinion. Chapman will be a 2 down Nose Tackle
A NT's job in a 3-4 is not to get sacks, I will agree with you there, but there still are allot of NT's in the NFL who do get sacks. But it is a NT's job to stop the run and team's run right through the middle of the Colts defense. That's the main reason why it's ranked 25th in the league and that's why Johnson will be gone next season and the Colts will use the salaries of Dwight Freeney and Antonio Johnson to either sign a NT or LT. Now as for Chapman and McKinney, I will give credit where credit is due Johnson did beat both of them out in training camp. But Chapman is only a rookie, rookies rarely start at NT and McKinney is a backup plus McKinney is on IR and Chapman is on the PUP list and their both under contract next season. But either way I highly doubt Chapman is coming back this season and him being injury prone makes the NT position all that much more of a need for the Colts this offseason.
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Johnson outplayed Mckinney and his skates,
So McKinney sucks, so what the Colts still have Josh Chapman who will be back next season from IR. Do you really want to pay a backup NT like Johnson much more then league min when the Colts have the money to sign pretty much who ever they want in free agency next season. Also notice Johnson is pretty much the only player in the Colts front 7 without a sack.
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1.Dunno what positions your talking about for the draftee guys, but I strongly believe the Colts this season will go for a guard and either snag one with good value based on where they get him or trade down to get one. I know the Colts typically take the BPA in the draft (at least in the first round), but this time I think the Colts will go guard at all cost with the free agent market for interior being so weak. Then in the draft these positions should be addressed with them ranked most to least need wise T, CB, NT (these needs could be addressed in free agency) SS, DE, K, OLB and CB maybe addressed in the draft before kicker even if the Colts land a big name free agent at the position.
2.FA
The Colts likely won't go after a WR, I know allot of people may disagree with me on this. But don't forget Grigson traded up to get Hilton in the third round and Brazill this far has been a pleasant low round surprise. Plus Hilton has better stats then any receiver the Colts have and these past 2 decades in their rookie year.
Now with that being said
Sean Smith-Colts will have better options in the free agent market, could sign depending on rather or not Grigson thinks the better corners want too much money (so far he's been pretty good at that, but for the Colts to participate in the 2013 NFL season there going to have to make at least one big name signing). Wouldn't rule him out as a back up plan C for the Colts in free agency.
Andy Lavitre-Horrific free agent class for OG, Grigson likely won't want Lavitre since he's going to get over paid anyways just like all the other guard in this years free agent class aside from Rietz since he is an RFA. Plus the Colts can get someone better in the draft especially if Rietz stays at LG.
Glenn Dorsey-Has been a bust in a 3-4 totaling only 2 sacks in one season of his 3 seasons playing in a 3-4. I doubt he wants to stay in that style of defense which means his new team will likely be one that plays a 4-3. Plus the Colts will have better options for the end/tackle position.
Connor Barwin-I know allot of people will likely disagree with me on this too, but I think the future of the Colts LB pass rush is Mathis and Hughes. The Colts already gave Mathis a big contract and very few 3-4 defenses have 2 OLB's making big money. Plus the Colts have much bigger needs to address in free agency.
Ryan Clady-As much as I really hate to say it, no way he's leaving Denver even with Manning being owed 60 million in the next 2 seasons. The only 2 players on the team the Broncos wouldn't get rid of for re-signing Clady not matter how much money he demands in the free agent/franchise tag market are Manning and Miller. No way he leaves even if Denver has to cut allot of veterans to franchise him, then make him the highest paid O-lineman in the NFL. Plus Clady has already said he would prefer not to leave Denver. But if Clady does hit the free agent market as a UFA, expect the Colts to be the front runners in signing him.