AR is improving BUT….

[masterlock]

AR absolutely has the potential to be a franchise quarterback, but needs more time. It's a small sample size, but he's shown a lot of improvement in the last two games. And if you watched the game yesterday, then you already know that he was way better than his stats suggest. He had defenders all over him, and had several great throws negated.

[IndySouthsider]

Just now, masterlock said:

AR absolutely has the potential to be a franchise quarterback, but needs more time. It's a small sample size, but he's shown a lot of improvement in the last two games. And if you watched the game yesterday, then you already know that he was way better than his stats suggest. He had defenders all over him, and had several great throws negated.

There are plenty of signs that he won’t ever be a good QB as well. You simply cannot use him in the red zone other than a possible run. He can’t complete passes down there. He also cannot read the rush and has no ability to get it out to hot read. He’s going to see a lot of pressure because he can’t beat pressure.

 

Minshew won 9 games pretty much with this team.

[krunk]

I think hes going to be fine. I believe in him.

His ball is getting better and better. Just needs to keep working the fine details. And we need to get an offensive identity.

[C_Lew]

2 minutes ago, IndySouthsider said:

There are plenty of signs that he won’t ever be a good QB as well. You simply cannot use him in the red zone other than a possible run. He can’t complete passes down there. He also cannot read the rush and has no ability to get it out to hot read. He’s going to see a lot of pressure because he can’t beat pressure.

 

Minshew won 9 games pretty much with this team.

 

Colts were at the 11 yard line when AR hit Ogletree right in the hands for a TD, and Ogletree dropped it. So, your claim is false. This is exactly the type of hyperbole I was referring to in my previous post about people only going by what they see in the box score versus what actually happened on the field. 

[runthepost]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Not bad for someone that was 11-28. I guess PFF doesn't care at all about %  

His rushing stats probably carried his grade

[masterlock]

10 minutes ago, IndySouthsider said:

There are plenty of signs that he won’t ever be a good QB as well. You simply cannot use him in the red zone other than a possible run. He can’t complete passes down there. He also cannot read the rush and has no ability to get it out to hot read. He’s going to see a lot of pressure because he can’t beat pressure.

 

Minshew won 9 games pretty much with this team.

Well, he threw a TD pass to Josh downs last week vs the Jets, and threw what should've been a TD pass to Ogletree. I see this as evidence that he CAN be effective in the red zone. But as I said, it's a small sample size, and my comments are focused on his level of play after being reinstated as the starter. I don't think it's fair to take a player who had just 13 college starts, and missed most of his rookie season, and reach any blanket conclusions about his ability to be a starter in the NFL. There are QB's that come into the league having WAY more experience at the collegiate level, and they STILL need time to adjust to the NFL. 

 

Typo Correction above: I said he had just 3 college starts, but meant to say 13.

[ADnum1]

17 minutes ago, C_Lew said:

 

Colts were at the 11 yard line when AR hit Ogletree right in the hands for a TD, and Ogletree dropped it. So, your claim is false. This is exactly the type of hyperbole I was referring to in my previous post about people only going by what they see in the box score versus what actually happened on the field. 

What do you think of Jalen Milroe?

 

I think he could give AR some real competition 

[compuls1v3]

37 minutes ago, IndySouthsider said:

There are plenty of signs that he won’t ever be a good QB as well. You simply cannot use him in the red zone other than a possible run. He can’t complete passes down there. He also cannot read the rush and has no ability to get it out to hot read. He’s going to see a lot of pressure because he can’t beat pressure.

 

Minshew won 9 games pretty much with this team.

Hard to complete a pass on a hot read....when the receivers aren't looking....  this particular play was with AD ...and was not in the redzone, so it's just ONE example.  A dropped TD by Ogletree is another reason...and that WAS in the redzone.

[C_Lew]

5 minutes ago, ADnum1 said:

What do you think of Jalen Milroe?

 

I think he could give AR some real competition 

I think Milroe is probably a worse version of AR, honestly. Milroe is an explosive athlete and creates a lot of problems for defenses pre snap because they have to account for his ability to run. He's decently accurate, particularly on throws down the field. He's very inconsistent, though, and teams with great DL give him fits (as they do most QBs). He doesn't have near the arm strength that AR does. If we took Milroe in round 3 or later, to give AR competition, then I'd understand it. If we took Milroe in round 1 as an AR replacement, I'd be livid. 

[C_Lew]

2 minutes ago, C_Lew said:

I think Milroe is probably a worse version of AR, honestly. Milroe is an explosive athlete and creates a lot of problems for defenses pre snap because they have to account for his ability to run. He's decently accurate, particularly on throws down the field. He's very inconsistent, though, and teams with great DL give him fits (as they do most QBs). He doesn't have near the arm strength that AR does. If we took Milroe in round 3 or later, to give AR competition, then I'd understand it. If we took Milroe in round 1 as an AR replacement, I'd be livid. 

 

I want to piggyback on this thought while we're on the subject. If we're eyeing anyone at Alabama for this upcoming draft class, I hope it's Jihaad Campbell. He's the athletic type of linebacker we're severely missing in the middle, currently. 

[Superman]

1 hour ago, runthepost said:

His rushing stats probably carried his grade

 

His passing grade was 77.9, rushing grade was 60.1. So the opposite is true.

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

His passing grade was 77.9, rushing grade was 60.1. So the opposite is true.

Not questioning just wondering does PFF factor in all those really nice throw that were wiped out by flags?

[Superman]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Not questioning just wondering does PFF factor in all those really nice throw that were wiped out by flags?

 

Yup.

[smittywerb]

5 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

…..do you think he is our franchise qb? Are you so confident that you Would  pass up a first round talent qb next year? I think he’s made improvements but I need to see more. What say you?

If he can put together solid performances for the rest of this season, I think he’s earned the right to finish out his contract.  However, I do think we shouldn’t pass on a backup qb that can push him for the job.  If AR in the future shows he’s not the one, then we have someone that can at least hold the fort down until we do (on a cheap contract) while we continue to build the team.  
 

To put it simply, I’m not ready to say I’m all in on him, but it’s trending that way if he keeps it up.

[RollerColt]

I'm not ready to just give up on the kid. He deserves to play next year. 

 

Like @NewColtsFan has said, this year's 2025 class is generally considered weak for QBs. I'm all for taking a flyer on Rourke after the 1st round though. 

[jbaron04]

6 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

…..do you think he is our franchise qb? Are you so confident that you Would  pass up a first round talent qb next year? I think he’s made improvements but I need to see more. What say you?

Well he is younger or just as young as all the top 5 in this draft , AR is improving but it’s the roster that not playing up to standards at times. Don’t know what going on with oline, but the play has been horrible. I understand we lost 3 starters so that might be the issues right there. We are a mess penalties get us behind on drives. Everyone knows TE is young QB best friend but TE room stinks. Colts should stop wasting 4-5 roster spots on below average TEs and use one on a real fullback to help run game when it’s time you want to pound a heavy box 

[Pelt]

6 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

…..do you think he is our franchise qb? Are you so confident that you Would  pass up a first round talent qb next year? I think he’s made improvements but I need to see more. What say you?

AR is our QB next year. He is younger than all the QBs that were taken in this seasons draft. I think he is progressing nicely.

 

And besides, this upcoming draft isn't a good one at all for QBs. 

[BlackTiger]

I dont like our options.  If he comes back and doesnt work out that will be three years wasted on him.  Three years is a long time to waste on anything and im not having fun now.  this season has been hard to watch

 

I would take a qb, probably not first round but it depends.  we dont know where we will be picking yet and the college season/draft process are still playing out too

[GoColts8818]

51 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Yup.

Good those were some great throws.  I know they didn’t count because of the flags but AR had nothing to do with the flags and they didn’t impact him making them.  While they might not officially account I am not sure how someone who is a Colts fan can’t look at that and be encouraged.

[NFLfan]

4 hours ago, JMichael557 said:

i would say that the entire league is hoping an praying that the Colts give up on AR so that they get a shot at him.

 

The Vikes GM and our head coach would love to have AR.

[SLILLINGTON10]

So many other needs on this team, can't throw away a first rd pick just for a qb competition. AR is getting better, also would like to give him a full off-season (no rehab from surgery) to work on some mechanics issues. 

[IndySouthsider]

1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

The Vikes GM and our head coach would love to have AR.

I pray for a trade. Let’s do Jefferson for Richardson straight up

[NFLfan]

1 hour ago, IndySouthsider said:

I pray for a trade. Let’s do Jefferson for Richardson straight up

 

🤔 ...  Nah. I will pass on that one. I think someone like Hockenson would be great for the Colts. I'm not giving up Hock either but the Colts need a TE more than a WR.

 

Richardson to Hockenson would be great.

 

[Superman]

https://bsky.app/profile/tednguyen.bsky.social/post/3lbsyvtcmn22i

 

[Rolltide_gocolts]

5 hours ago, C_Lew said:

I think Milroe is probably a worse version of AR, honestly. Milroe is an explosive athlete and creates a lot of problems for defenses pre snap because they have to account for his ability to run. He's decently accurate, particularly on throws down the field. He's very inconsistent, though, and teams with great DL give him fits (as they do most QBs). He doesn't have near the arm strength that AR does. If we took Milroe in round 3 or later, to give AR competition, then I'd understand it. If we took Milroe in round 1 as an AR replacement, I'd be livid. 

Milroe is very explosive  but when he’s bad he’s extremely bad…. Our losses directly lead back to his play I can’t say the same for AR and the colts… quite the opposite,  everyone one under performed 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, IndySouthsider said:

I pray for a trade. Let’s do Jefferson for Richardson straight up

Then who is playing QB? Dumb 

[Moosejawcolt]

4 hours ago, RollerColt said:

I'm not ready to just give up on the kid. He deserves to play next year. 

 

Like @NewColtsFan has said, this year's 2025 class is generally considered weak for QBs. I'm all for taking a flyer on Rourke after the 1st round though. 

Bo Nix was considered over drafted and a late 1stcto 2nd round pick. Looks like he is the best of thr lot. Just saying but I am all in for AR till end of 2025.

[Blueblood23]

3 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

The Vikes GM and our head coach would love to have AR.

I hope they get him then. 

[runthepost]

2 hours ago, IndySouthsider said:

I pray for a trade. Let’s do Jefferson for Richardson straight up

Vikings will laugh and post the recorded conversation 

[NFLfan]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

https://bsky.app/profile/tednguyen.bsky.social/post/3lbsyvtcmn22i

 

 

What is Bluesky? Serious question. I saw something about it in the NY Times but I did not read the article. 

 

It looks like Twitter.

[Superman]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

What is Bluesky? Serious question. I saw something about it in the NY Times but I did not read the article. 

 

It looks like Twitter.

 

It's an alternative to Twitter, made by the guy who started Twitter. 

[NFLfan]

50 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

It's an alternative to Twitter, made by the guy who started Twitter. 

 

I'm going to have to use that.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

I'm going to have to use that.

 

It's starting to really gain users and content. If you liked the ease of use on Twitter before they started making big changes, you'll probably like Bluesky. 

[IinD]

 

[compuls1v3]

10 hours ago, masterlock said:

Well, he threw a TD pass to Josh downs last week vs the Jets, and threw what should've been a TD pass to Ogletree. I see this as evidence that he CAN be effective in the red zone. But as I said, it's a small sample size, and my comments are focused on his level of play after being reinstated as the starter. I don't think it's fair to take a player who had just 13 college starts, and missed most of his rookie season, and reach any blanket conclusions about his ability to be a starter in the NFL. There are QB's that come into the league having WAY more experience at the collegiate level, and they STILL need time to adjust to the NFL. 

 

Typo Correction above: I said he had just 3 college starts, but meant to say 13.

I'm like a broken record, but in the last Houston game he had AM not get feet in bounds on one TD, Goodson drop a TD, and a Pierce TD negated due to a PI call on Pittman.  3 TDs in ONE game.....yet AR can't do it in the redzone.....gimme a break......is he perfect?  No.  But you can't tell me he can ONLY run in the redzone.... that's a crock....

[Rolltide_gocolts]

3 hours ago, IinD said:

 

This is exactly why I knew the Flacco experiment would fail!!.. AR has a highlight reel of sack escapes alone!! lol… he’s 1 of 1 in that department 

[runthepost]

14 hours ago, Superman said:

 

His passing grade was 77.9, rushing grade was 60.1. So the opposite is true.

Thanks I mixed the grades up

[NFLfan]

7 hours ago, Superman said:

 

It's an alternative to Twitter, made by the guy who started Twitter. 

 

I found a few of my favorite NFL personalities there but it seems I cannot embed the posts like you did. I will continue to try.

[NFLfan]

5 hours ago, IinD said:

 

 

Impressive! I am looking forward to the next several games to see how he plays. Hopefully he gets his Raimann back soon.

[JMichael557]

10 hours ago, runthepost said:

Vikings will laugh and post the recorded conversation 

The Vikings would trade Jefferson for AR in a heart beat and laugh all the way to the bank.