Time to evaluate

[Moosejawcolt]

I know the season is not over and they still may go on a run of horrible teams and make playoffs. However, they just played an elite team. Based on their play and performance today and against play off teams. What changes do u want to see in terms of coaching, front office and players? To me, I have seen enough and making the playoffs can not mask what changes need to occur after the off season. 

[tomloge1]

The entire team needs to be torn down completely.  Front office, management, coaches, players, etc.  Complete garbage.  Richardson can't pass.  He gets lucky occassionally on some mid range and long passes, but he is not an NFL Quarterback.  I was hoping things would work out, but it doesn't look like they will work out.  He probably never should have been picked to begin with.  But the problem is not only him.  The entire team just plain sucks.  

[Thunderbolt]

Couldn’t have put it any better. This team needs  to be overhauled. 

[azcolt]

18 minutes ago, tomloge1 said:

The entire team needs to be torn down completely.  Front office, management, coaches, players, etc.  Complete garbage.  Richardson can't pass.  He gets lucky occassionally on some mid range and long passes, but he is not an NFL Quarterback.  I was hoping things would work out, but it doesn't look like they will work out.  He probably never should have been picked to begin with.  But the problem is not only him.  The entire team just plain sucks.  

Wow, you are living dangerously. This forum should be re-named the AR Fan Club. 
 

Of course, you are right. Drafting him was an act of desperation. It will never work out. If he could take the pain, he’d probably be a great tight end.

[Solid84]

After today I think AR is it. I think he played a really good game overall. Not perfect of course, but considering he HAD to throw and the Lions knew it I don't think he could've done much better. Playing against a Super Bowl favorite with an injured Oline and so many mental errors by the team I'm very happy with what he showed today. I think we can build a winning team around him.

 

I don't think there's one TE in that room we NEED to keep. Outside of a few plays from Mo here and there it's just almost always bad.

 

We need an answer at RB. I love JT, but when our opponents stack the box (or just have good DTs) he's more or less out of the game. Some of that is of course playcalling. Looking at what the Lions have done this season and how they do it it's pretty obvious our run plays are hopelessly unimaginative by comparison.

 

We need better Guard depth. The Glowinski signing may be just that, but we'll see. Tucker will get better with more practice and an offseason of S&C, but right now he's barely good enough to be a backup.

 

I'm just not sold on Franklin or Speed. I don't know if it's because of what Gus asks them to do, but they just can't cover. That area around our LBs is just wide open space for our opponents.

 

I'd really like for us to get an elite outside CB. Womack has shown flashes this season, but he's had just as many misses in recent games. Jones is just as much up and down as Womack.

 

We also don't have a deep safety in my opinion. Blackmon and Cross are both box safeties.

[Pat Curtis]

In terms of scouting and drafting.....keep the RAS superstar athlete picks for the later rounds.  We've wasted so many picks on athletic freaks who weren't great in college and that aren't getting coached up to play. 

 

Defense is overall way too soft.  From the play calling all the way to the players.  Time to move on from Gus.

[Dewey5]

51 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

Couldn’t have put it any better. This team needs  to be overhauled. 

I don't know about overhauled but it's abvious that Ballard should be out of time. 

[Moosejawcolt]

31 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

After today I think AR is it. I think he played a really good game overall. Not perfect of course, but considering he HAD to throw and the Lions knew it I don't think he could've done much better. Playing against a Super Bowl favorite with an injured Oline and so many mental errors by the team I'm very happy with what he showed today. I think we can build a winning team around him.

 

I don't think there's one TE in that room we NEED to keep. Outside of a few plays from Mo here and there it's just almost always bad.

 

We need an answer at RB. I love JT, but when our opponents stack the box (or just have good DTs) he's more or less out of the game. Some of that is of course playcalling. Looking at what the Lions have done this season and how they do it it's pretty obvious our run plays are hopelessly unimaginative by comparison.

 

We need better Guard depth. The Glowinski signing may be just that, but we'll see. Tucker will get better with more practice and an offseason of S&C, but right now he's barely good enough to be a backup.

 

I'm just not sold on Franklin or Speed. I don't know if it's because of what Gus asks them to do, but they just can't cover. That area around our LBs is just wide open space for our opponents.

 

I'd really like for us to get an elite outside CB. Womack has shown flashes this season, but he's had just as many misses in recent games. Jones is just as much up and down as Womack.

 

We also don't have a deep safety in my opinion. Blackmon and Cross are both box safeties.

I am hoping a new D coordinator will come in and play to the players strengths. No true deep safety. No shut down corner. Linebackers cannot cover. Buckner and Stewart getting older. I would like a scheme that employed less athletic DT's and scheme Paye and Latu. I like when they are standing up. Buckner and Stewart at DT. Get a big ugly nose tackle. Paye and Latu outside lbs. Look at replacing Franklin with cover linebacker. I think Speed can stay . Need man corners and a free safety. I like Blackmon as a third safety if he would stay.

[Moosejawcolt]

4 minutes ago, Dewey5 said:

I don't know about overhauled but it's abvious that Ballard should be out of time. 

If Ballard stays on after this season, no matter how it ends.  I have to believe that Ballard has incriminating photos on Irsay, lol

[#12.]

In five weeks, things could look somewhat better or much worse.  As it stands today, I would clean house, draft a QB somewhere and maybe bring in a younger reclamation project.  Even if Richardson shows positive signs in the final 5, with his injury history and style of play, you can’t put all your eggs in his basket.

 

If Irsay and/or the next GM retain Steichen, I would take play calling away from him.  Through nearly two years, I'm not a fan, at all.

 

Ballard?  There's no way in hell I'm letting Ballard try to solve this QB situation.  It's time to move on.

[Bravo]

54 minutes ago, Pat Curtis said:

In terms of scouting and drafting.....keep the RAS superstar athlete picks for the later rounds.  We've wasted so many picks on athletic freaks who weren't great in college and that aren't getting coached up to play. 

 

Defense is overall way too soft.  From the play calling all the way to the players.  Time to move on from Gus.

It wild.

 

You look at other teams and they have plenty of eye candy athletes. They always seem faster and to have more playmakers.

 

Watching the Colts we just don’t have any athletes who really pop off the screen or wow you besides maybe AR. Yet, we have drafted so many RAS superstars.

 

 

 

[#12.]

1 minute ago, Bravo said:

 

 

Watching the Colts we just don’t have any athletes who really pop off the screen or wow you. Yet, we have drafted so many RAS superstars.

 

 

 

 

That's the crazy part.  How does Ballard draft only freakish athletes but end up with the most boring, middle of the road team imaginable?

[IndyEV]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2024/11/24/colts-penalties-lions-steichen/76554089007/
 

Anyone else tired of Steichens stupid coach speak? Says the same crap every week! He ain’t ever gonna clean up 💩 with this team! 

[coltsfan_canada]

1 hour ago, Solid84 said:

After today I think AR is it. I think he played a really good game overall. Not perfect of course, but considering he HAD to throw and the Lions knew it I don't think he could've done much better. Playing against a Super Bowl favorite with an injured Oline and so many mental errors by the team I'm very happy with what he showed today. I think we can build a winning team around him.

 

I don't think there's one TE in that room we NEED to keep. Outside of a few plays from Mo here and there it's just almost always bad.

 

We need an answer at RB. I love JT, but when our opponents stack the box (or just have good DTs) he's more or less out of the game. Some of that is of course playcalling. Looking at what the Lions have done this season and how they do it it's pretty obvious our run plays are hopelessly unimaginative by comparison.

 

We need better Guard depth. The Glowinski signing may be just that, but we'll see. Tucker will get better with more practice and an offseason of S&C, but right now he's barely good enough to be a backup.

 

I'm just not sold on Franklin or Speed. I don't know if it's because of what Gus asks them to do, but they just can't cover. That area around our LBs is just wide open space for our opponents.

 

I'd really like for us to get an elite outside CB. Womack has shown flashes this season, but he's had just as many misses in recent games. Jones is just as much up and down as Womack.

 

We also don't have a deep safety in my opinion. Blackmon and Cross are both box safeties.

 

Very well said, I was not sold on AR but after watching today and last week game feed me crows. I know he is not accurate still but I would love these next 5 games as learning experience for him. When he is using his leg, I do have fear that he will get injured but again I love him when he runs. He is a running QB can't make him a passing QB although he probably have most long bombs than any other QB in NFL as of now. 

 

I also like our OL when they are healthy. Even though on paper we have kept lions to lowest score against AFC South teams (52 x 2 against Titans and Jags, 26 against Texans) still I find Franklin and Speed lost in coverage. I like to see Grant more but again he aint the best we need best LBs in FA or draft. We need TE. 

 

Lets go Colts. I am not happy with the result but happy with game from key players specifically AR. 

[Smonroe]

Start with a GM who’s willing to bring in a few veteran, proven athlete to shore up the known weak areas.  CB, S, LB on D, some true Oline depth.  
 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

There won’t be any false security after these last five games. Colts have a good barometer where they stand.

[indyagent17]

1. Defensive design and execution was pitiful. How many missed tackles in a game is too much and everybody loves Franklin, but he’s horrible in pass coverage. How many times can the running back just cross the line and scrimmage and be open for a 7 to 10 yard play. 
 

2. offensive design and execution was better but once again our best player gets removed again later in the game. WHY can’t we design getting him into space space. He is so underused and that is on Shane. 
 

New love for Bradley is laughable he should be the first one fired 

[Indyfan4life]

If Ballard and Bradley are here next season, then Jim has completely lost it and is content with mediocrity. 
 

Disagree with this all you want, but this franchise is not in a good spot and fans are going to start abandoning ship. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, Indyfan4life said:

If Ballard and Bradley are here next season, then Jim has completely lost it and is content with mediocrity. 
 

Disagree with this all you want, but this franchise is not in a good spot and fans are going to start abandoning ship. 

I think they already have. I was shocked how quiet that game was even from the start 

6 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

1. Defensive design and execution was pitiful. How many missed tackles in a game is too much and everybody loves Franklin, but he’s horrible in pass coverage. How many times can the running back just cross the line and scrimmage and be open for a 7 to 10 yard play. 
 

2. offensive design and execution was better but once again our best player gets removed again later in the game. WHY can’t we design getting him into space space. He is so underused and that is on Shane. 
 

New love for Bradley is laughable he should be the first one fired 

Taylor not getting more plays was because of penalties. You can’t get on the field when the lions were on the field the entire third quarter starter 

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

If Ballard and Bradley are here next season, then Jim has completely lost it and is content with mediocrity. 
 

Disagree with this all you want, but this franchise is not in a good spot and fans are going to start abandoning ship. 

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I know the season is not over and they still may go on a run of horrible teams and make playoffs. However, they just played an elite team. Based on their play and performance today and against play off teams. What changes do u want to see in terms of coaching, front office and players? To me, I have seen enough and making the playoffs can not mask what changes need to occur after the off season. 

Of course you want to evaluate.   The Colts just lost to the best team in the NFL right now and didn’t play all that badly.   Granted, we didn’t look great either.  But the announcers were heaping praise on our defense throughout the game.   
 

Why isn’t the end of the season the right time to evaluate?   That’s when 32 teams do that?   
 

There's no shame in losing to the Lions.   Of course it doesn’t help that three of our 5 OL starters are rookies.  And I saw both Nelson and Smith get penalties on key plays.   It’s hard to generate a good offense when the OL isn’t playing as well as you’d want.   
 

But deciding that today is the right time to evaluate is a VERY Moose-like thing to do.  Totally unsurprising.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, Solid84 said:

After today I think AR is it. I think he played a really good game overall. Not perfect of course, but considering he HAD to throw and the Lions knew it I don't think he could've done much better. Playing against a Super Bowl favorite with an injured Oline and so many mental errors by the team I'm very happy with what he showed today. I think we can build a winning team around him.

 

I don't think there's one TE in that room we NEED to keep. Outside of a few plays from Mo here and there it's just almost always bad.

 

We need an answer at RB. I love JT, but when our opponents stack the box (or just have good DTs) he's more or less out of the game. Some of that is of course playcalling. Looking at what the Lions have done this season and how they do it it's pretty obvious our run plays are hopelessly unimaginative by comparison.

 

We need better Guard depth. The Glowinski signing may be just that, but we'll see. Tucker will get better with more practice and an offseason of S&C, but right now he's barely good enough to be a backup.

 

I'm just not sold on Franklin or Speed. I don't know if it's because of what Gus asks them to do, but they just can't cover. That area around our LBs is just wide open space for our opponents.

 

I'd really like for us to get an elite outside CB. Womack has shown flashes this season, but he's had just as many misses in recent games. Jones is just as much up and down as Womack.

 

We also don't have a deep safety in my opinion. Blackmon and Cross are both box safeties.

Despite only scoring 6 points, I thought AR played an above average game as well. Ogletree dropped a TD and penalties are killing us. AR still completed some nice passes and ran well.

 

To others: Just because we aren't a top 10 team now, doesn't mean we need to blow it up. We still could make the playoffs with the schedule we have. If we beat Denver, would you guys consider that a signature win? I would.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

Of course you want to evaluate.   The Colts just lost to the best team in the NFL right now and didn’t play all that badly.   Granted, we didn’t look great either.  But the announcers were heaping praise on our defense throughout the game.   
 

Why isn’t the end of the season the right time to evaluate?   That’s when 32 teams do that?   
 

There's no shame in losing to the Lions.   Of course it doesn’t help that three of our 5 starters are rookies.  And I saw both Nelson and Smith get penalties on key plays.   It’s hard to generate a good offense when the OL isn’t playing as well as you’d want.   
 

But deciding that today is the right time to evaluate is a VERY Moose-like thing to do.  Totally unsurprising.  

We lose to the Lions and almost everyone says blow it up, GEEEEEEEEZ 

[2006Coltsbestever]

I get it, the goal is to win the SB but if that is all you want then you might as well quit watching  . We only won 1 with Peyton. 

[Moosejawcolt]

5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Of course you want to evaluate.   The Colts just lost to the best team in the NFL right now and didn’t play all that badly.   Granted, we didn’t look great either.  But the announcers were heaping praise on our defense throughout the game.   
 

Why isn’t the end of the season the right time to evaluate?   That’s when 32 teams do that?   
 

There's no shame in losing to the Lions.   Of course it doesn’t help that three of our 5 starters are rookies.  And I saw both Nelson and Smith get penalties on key plays.   It’s hard to generate a good offense when the OL isn’t playing as well as you’d want.   
 

But deciding that today is the right time to evaluate is a VERY Moose-like thing to do.  Totally unsurprising.  

Well, I guess u r right. I mean we have had 8 years to evaluate so what's another 5 games to do what we already know needs to be done. 

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Well, I guess u r right. I mean we have had 8 years to evaluate so what's another 5 games to do what we already know needs to be done. 

You mean what YOU already know, not we.  

[Crunked]

I have no decision making power, but 8 years of this....and running back "this playoff squad" is enough of an evaluation for me....we are no closer to being a playoff team than we were the day after Andrew Luck retired.....but they might as well wait until the end of the season (especially if the Colts ownership feels the same)  its better PR for whoever they might usher in next.....

[Moosejawcolt]

9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You mean what YOU already know, not we.  

Well if u need another 5 games to assess this team, then so be it. No matter how they finish and I highly doubt they make the play offs. Ballard gone. Gus gone. Keep SS as AR needs consistency. Give SS his own personnel guy. If it all blows up, then  rebuild in 2 years. Offense looks good with just needing two tight ends and rbs who are a threat in the passing game. Defense needs play makers. Buckner and Stewart are good, but getting older. Latu is improving and a keeper. Paye is Paye. Need a free safety and man corners. Oh and a rb that is paid 10 million a year who the coaches keep on the field no matter the play and/or the score of the game. That solves it. Oh and lbs that can cover.

[NewColtsFan]

1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Well if u need another 5 games to assess this team, then so be it. No matter how they finish and I highly doubt they make the play offs. Ballard gone. Gus gone. Keep SS as AR needs consistency. Give SS his own personnel guy. If it all blows up, then  rebuild in 2 years. Offense looks good with just needing two tight ends and rbs who are a threat in the passing game. Defense needs play makers. Buckner and Stewart are good, but getting older. Latu is improving and a keeper. Paye is Paye. Need a free safety and man corners. Oh and a rb that is paid 10 million a year who the coaches keep on the field no matter the play and/or the score of the game. That solves it. Oh and lbs that can cover.

Oh…. Is that all.   The world according to Moose.    Okie-Dokie.    🙄.   🙄.   
 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

Oh…. Is that all.   The world according to Moose.    Okie-Dokie.    🙄.   🙄.   
 

K..well why don't u give me your take?

[jbaron04]

3 hours ago, tomloge1 said:

The entire team needs to be torn down completely.  Front office, management, coaches, players, etc.  Complete garbage.  Richardson can't pass.  He gets lucky occassionally on some mid range and long passes, but he is not an NFL Quarterback.  I was hoping things would work out, but it doesn't look like they will work out.  He probably never should have been picked to begin with.  But the problem is not only him.  The entire team just plain sucks.  

Did you watch the game ?

[Patrick Miller]

When are the Colts going to give Mallory a legit shot?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, jbaron04 said:

Did you watch the game ?

The  he answer is no. I his game is smoking out the *s who only look at a box score 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

The sad thing is if a new GM comes on and blows things up and takes away even more AR support that he needs 

[Moosejawcolt]

1 hour ago, #12. said:

In five weeks, things could look somewhat better or much worse.  As it stands today, I would clean house, draft a QB somewhere and maybe bring in a younger reclamation project.  Even if Richardson shows positive signs in the final 5, with his injury history and style of play, you can’t put all your eggs in his basket.

 

If Irsay and/or the next GM retain Steichen, I would take play calling away from him.  Through nearly two years, I'm not a fan, at all.

 

Ballard?  There's no way in hell I'm letting Ballard try to solve this QB situation.  It's time to move on.

AR has looked good the last 2 games. His stats don't show how good he was today. He needs improvement but a positive is that he is running and not  getting hurt.  Nice deep ball, but just needs to build n his accuracy. Rome wasn't built in a day. I feel good bout him moving forward. Now, he could still go off the rails but hopefully he continues to improve. I hope we can just be confident at years end that he is our guy. Now we need to tackle the defense.

 

[jbaron04]

My honest assessment is AR played well it doesn’t show in stats but if you watch the game you saw what I mean. oline sucked. Penalties really killed us this game and missed tackles. I know this sounds crazy but Gus called a good game defenders have to make tackles and stop blowing assignments plain and simple. Tbh speed & Franklin miss to many tackles and can’t get off blocks. JT has not really created any off script plays outside of titans game, like if the hole ain’t there he doesn’t cut back , bounce out etc…Ballard has done the same thing he has done year after year ….. knowing we have a weakness and not addressing it and it costing us 

[richard pallo]

54 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We lose to the Lions and almost everyone says blow it up, GEEEEEEEEZ 

This is wild.  We have now moved up to overreaction Sunday.  We lost to the best team in the league by actually beating ourselves with penalties and poor execution.  It was a failed effort.  A lot of teams took tough losses today.  It happens to even the good teams.  The sky is not falling.  On to the Patriots.

[Crunked]

Look as fans we have no decision making power there is really only (1) we can "evaluate" this team. Without a change would you buy season tickets for 2025 knowing what you know of the team this year and the last 8 years of team building that has been done by this regime? 

[Nesjan3]

AR is playing better since the benching that provides some hope. We still are not close to having any definitive answer on him though. His college career played out exactly the same way. Would look like a dumpster fire for 2 weeks then a world beater for 2 weeks and so on. 

 

As far as Ballard and the team. He needs to go and we need a reset. As someone said above we are no closer to being a contender today then we were 5 years ago. He wont make adjustments to his team building style. He has basically said he will die on the sword. All the teams in our division have won it twice since we have. Thats straight up embarrassing. We are nothing but mid under Ballard. Times up bud. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

AR is playing better since the benching that provides some hope. We still are not close to having any definitive answer on him though. His college career played out exactly the same way. Would look like a dumpster fire for 2 weeks then a world beater for 2 weeks and so on. 

 

As far as Ballard and the team. He needs to go and we need a reset. As someone said above we are no closer to being a contender today then we were 5 years ago. He wont make adjustments to his team building style. He has basically said he will die on the sword. All the teams in our division have won it twice since we have. Thats straight up embarrassing. We are nothing but mid under Ballard. Times up bud. 

Its one thing to stick to your process if it is working. It’s arrogance to keto saying it when your not winning anything