Colts vs Lions postgame

[smittywerb]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

You understand that means a reset at QB too. Ballard needs to go but we better hope Irsay can find a GM that loves Steichen and AR

 

tbh, I think AR has shown he's worth keeping.  On the other hand, I'd assume the new GM would get someone that would push AR for the starting spot and if he was to lose said spot, then guess what, we got our answer early.  And I'm out on Shane.  It's early enough for us to get another HC and have AR learn the system.  As I said, we have 3 more years of AR.  I will say, if we were to make a change, this would be the last change I'd want.  Don't want to be in a situation where we have a different HC and system every year.  That never works for QBs.

[DougDew]

Good lord.  Tucker took down his man with a face mask.  Nelson tore off his man's helmet.  AP ran into the DB.  While not a penalty, JT couldn't pitch the ball back to AR.  

 

Player errors everywhere.

[Moosejawcolt]

6 minutes ago, Rally5 said:

I've NEVER seen a defensive player avoid contact like #40, we all sit around and laugh at him playing corner.  It's a running joke, we may make a highlight real of his fake attempts at tackling at season's end.  It's unprecedented I think.  Then we hear Vilma say, "Gus says he has a lot of dog in him."  One of the guys proclaims ..."A poodle."   

This is tough. The absolute worst spot to be in the NFL is the best of the worst, right in the middle, and we're steaming right towards it again.  

Remembe, we have high character guys. They maybe great dad's but they suck playing football, lol.

[OLD FAN MAN]

1 hour ago, JediXMan said:

That should be Tucker's last game he's not good.

nelson got pushed around too

[DougDew]

1 minute ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I think I'll take Vilmas opinion over yours. Especially since you're never right.

Why not just make your own opinion and watch the play?  You'll see why the penalty was called.  

[Dingus McGirt]

32 minutes ago, ADnum1 said:

Latu is a good player but imagine if Ballard trades up 2 spots for Bowers 

I have heard he tried, but none if teams wanted to move back.

[smittywerb]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

That's the story in a nutshell. Who would have thought that the tight end room would have sunken this low? I think everyone had it as a strength. I don't know how they can go into the locker room after this performance. Ballard should have may a trade for one at the deadline. They are beyond horrible.

 

Personally, I believed this would be the year Woods would break out but I did want us to get a vet TE who could get open and provide in the passing game.  I wanted us to cut ties with Cox to save money.  I am not shocked one bit that our TEs suck in the passing game.  I am shocked that they suck blocking. 

[Rolltide_gocolts]

AR had a 300 yd 2 td game of it wasn’t for putrid garbage play for TEs and O line… also officiating

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

 

tbh, I think AR has shown he's worth keeping.  On the other hand, I'd assume the new GM would get someone that would push AR for the starting spot and if he was to lose said spot, then guess what, we got our answer early.  And I'm out on Shane.  It's early enough for us to get another HC and have AR learn the system.  As I said, we have 3 more years of AR.  I will say, if we were to make a change, this would be the last change I'd want.  Don't want to be in a situation where we have a different HC and system every year.  That never works for QBs.

A new GM always wants his own players. You think it’s bad now just wait until they throw AR away and do a rebuild.  The only hope colts have at moving forward is AR bring the future with STEICHEN.

[Moosejawcolt]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

Good lord.  Goncalves took down his man with a face mask.  Nelson tore off his man's helmet.  AP ran into the DB.  While not a penalty, JT couldn't pitch the ball back to AR.  

 

Player errors everywhere.

Yeah to me JT plays a lot of uninspired football.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

These issues have been going on with Ballard too long. I really hope they can change GM and allow AR and Steichen to shine with better players. I am not worried about offense future at all. But the defense needs wonder tooling. Offense will be fine once AR matures 

[Happy2BeHere]

The first drive of the game had every colts fan excited…then the real Colts showed up all around after that first drive.

 

Penalties loomed large today for our offense…smh

 

Time to clean house this time isn’t going anywhere under the current leadership ever.

[DougDew]

9 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

tbh, I think AR has shown he's worth keeping.

Yep, while he could not win the game for the team, he did not really cost it either.

 

Here's the deal...80% of successful NFL offensive plays are BORING.   A competent NFL game has about 10% negative plays offset by 10% great highlight plays.  Looks like a bell curve graph.

 

AR has about 20% successful boring plays.  The others are either 40% terrible or 40% great.  His play looks like a barbell graph. 

 

He looks like a player who has had less than 20 NFL starts.  Its nuts for anybody to expect him to win any games for us.  But he's a keeper, IMO

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

7-6 raiders and they are in scoring position again. Funny I am more worried about dolphins now 

[John Hammonds]

I can't believe I'm saying that the Colts need Will Fries back. But the Colts need Will Fries back.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

If the colts want to take a step forward next season and keep Ballard they have to change defensive coordinator 

Dolphins don’t seem to have a very hard schedule left 

[smittywerb]

Just now, DougDew said:

Yep, while he could not win the game for the team, he did not really cost it either.

 

Here's the deal...80% of successful NFL offensive plays are BORING.  10% negative offset by 10% great highlight plays.  Looks like a bell curve graph.

 

AR has about 20% successful boring plays.  The other are either 40% terrible or 40% great.  His play looks like a barbell graph. 

 

He looks like a player who has had less than 20 NFL starts.  Its nuts for anybody to expect him to win any games for us.  But he's a keeper, IMO

 

Good post!  And tbh, that's all you can ask for from him right now.  Play solid games, FINISH them, and improve.  I would honestly love to see AR on a team like the lions.  He actually looked poised out there.  Zero turnovers (despite the fumble he had).  Like you said, we don't know if he's the future just yet, but he's a keeper atp if he keeps this up.

[Moosejawcolt]

4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

A new GM always wants his own players. You think it’s bad now just wait until they throw AR away and do a rebuild.  The only hope colts have at moving forward is AR bring the future with STEICHEN.

Keep SS,as I c AR as that guy. He needs more time. Fire Ballard and Gus. Let SS hire his own personnel guy from Philly. I predicted that last year. Give them 2 years to build the D.

[Dingus McGirt]

What a difference a week makes.  An old military saying - “Do something- even if it’s wrong” applies.  Sick of the same old.

[JediXMan]

2 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

I can't believe I'm saying that the Colts need Will Fries back. But the Colts need Will Fries back.

 

Is he a FA?

[Defjamz26]

I seriously do not understand what Ballard has actually done for the Colts. If he was hired to turn the team around, he hasn’t. 
 

Zero Division titles

1 playoff win

2 playoff appearances 

1 double digit win season

2 HC changes (not counting the Saturday stint)

 

It’s been 8 years of nothing. A mediocre team with sub par talent that has no real identity and the same issues year to year.

- Bad TE room

-Suspect pass defense

-Inability to consistently rush the passer

-Lack of depth at key positions

-No superstar WR

-Questionable QB play

-No draft aggressiveness 

-Questionable tackling ability

-Bargain bin FAs

 

In his tenure several teams have been able to turn it around in less time. The Lions, Chiefs, Texans, Commanders, Bucs, Seahawks, 49ers, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, etc… have all made significant progress as franchises in the same amount of time. 

[DougDew]

12 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Yeah to me JT plays a lot of uninspired football.

He's a great runner.  But that's about it.  

 

Kinda like DET today.  They ran the ball well, but the reason the game was winnable was because the Defense tended to shut down big passing plays from Williams, St Brown and the TE.

 

Great RB running just doesn't win that many games in the NFL.  

[Mikemccoy84]

Great running teams usually need solid defense that we don’t have

[DougDew]

5 minutes ago, smittywerb said:

 

Good post!  And tbh, that's all you can ask for from him right now.  Play solid games, FINISH them, and improve.  I would honestly love to see AR on a team like the lions.  He actually looked poised out there.  Zero turnovers (despite the fumble he had).  Like you said, we don't know if he's the future just yet, but he's a keeper atp if he keeps this up.

IMO, AR is playing EXACTLY like Wentz did.  Over excited and rushed (which makes the pass rush/ oline look worse than it actually is), and as the game wears on, the hero-baller comes out.  AR runs better than Wentz, but doesn't throw as well.

 

AR just needs to calm down and take the game slower.  Not every play or series needs to be a FD.

 

And BTW, when Wentz did the stuff he did, nobody blamed Frank for it, they blamed Wentz for it.  Put the blame where its deserved.

[smittywerb]

I'll tell you what, when Moore and other players called out the team, I'd bet money it was at the offense.  The defense plays like they want it.  They get punched in the mouth, they make adjustments and punch back.  The offense, it just seems like we stay the course.  Like how do have the run game in the first half, and Shane makes it even worse in the second half?  Zero touches for JT, no outside runs, or traps, or RPOs.  Just nothing. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

IMO, AR is playing EXACTLY like Wentz did.  Over excited and rushed (which makes the pass rush/ oline look worse than it actually is), and as the game wears on, the hero-baller comes out.  AR runs better than Wentz, but doesn't throw as well.

 

AR just needs to calm down and take the game slower.  Not every play or series needs to be a FD.

 

And BTW, when Wentz did the stuff he did, nobody blamed Frank for it, they blamed Wentz for it.  Put the blame where its deserved.

Your hate is getting ridiculous. People just need to put you on ignore 

[2006Coltsbestever]

*Take aways from the game. I knew we would lose, Lions are killing everyone. The loss is not surprising. 

 

*AR really didn't play that bad, I know 6 points, but we had 3 or 4 plays big plays called back because of dumb penalties. He also ran well. The OPI on Pierce that took away a 30 yard completion to Downs was complete nonsense. Ogletree also dropped a perfect TD pass early in the game which killed our momentum. 

 

*The defense! Played well until when it really counts because once again, I counted at least 5 times where we had the Lions 3rd and 8 or worse and gave up easy 1st downs either by run or pass. So, the D playing well is deceptive. 

 

*Let's flush this down the toilet and win our last 5 games to or at least 4 of 5 which I think we can so today is no big deal to me. 

[compuls1v3]

58 minutes ago, HungarianColtsFan said:

AR had a good game, in spite of low completition percentage. 4 passes and 78 yards were taken away from him due to penalties, add Olegtree's dropped pass, the 40 yard pass, when the widepot stepped out of bounds... He got not much support from the offense.

 

I wonder why JT is so ineffective lately? Is it the play-calling? Bad scheme? I think coaching staff doesn't exploit his abilities, but just my 2 cents

0 RB runs in the second half....hard to get going.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, smittywerb said:

I'll tell you what, when Moore and other players called out the team, I'd bet money it was at the offense.  The defense plays like they want it.  They get punched in the mouth, they make adjustments and punch back.  The offense, it just seems like we stay the course.  Like how do have the run game in the first half, and Shane makes it even worse in the second half?  Zero touches for JT, no outside runs, or traps, or RPOs.  Just nothing. 

We didn’t have a run game because we had so many ten yard penalties. Lions had the ball for almost a entire 3rd quarter 

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Your hate is getting ridiculous. People just need to put you on ignore 

Your definition of hate is simply way off.  Don't accuse others when you need a recalibration.  Wentz was excitable.  You think AR looks calm and collected out there?

[IinD]

Just now, compuls1v3 said:

0 RB runs in the second half....hard to get going.

I really can't figure out SS honestly. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, DougDew said:

Your opinion of hate is simply way off.  Wentz was excitable.  You think AR looks calm and collected out there?

Do you ever have any humility stop trying like your always right 

[smittywerb]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

IMO, AR is playing EXACTLY like Wentz did.  Over excited and rushed (which makes the pass rush/ oline look worse than it actually is), and as the game wears on, the hero-baller comes out.  AR runs better than Wentz, but doesn't throw as well.

 

AR just needs to calm down and take the game slower.  Not every play or series needs to be a FD.

 

And BTW, when Wentz did the stuff he did, nobody blamed Frank for it, they blamed Wentz for it.  Put the blame where its deserved.

 

Difference is, more is expected out of Wentz because he was supposed to be the vet that came in and answered the question.  We all understand AR is a young project that needs to grow.  If it's year 5 and AR is still doing the same thing then you'd see the attitude change.  And today he honestly threw some absolute dots.  We'd be having a different convo if penalties didn't nullify his good throws and ogletree doesn't drop a sure TD.

[Mikemccoy84]

Just now, DougDew said:

Your opinion of hate is simply way off.  Wentz was excitable.  You think AR looks calm and collected out there?

Most QBs are excited if receiver drops a touchdown that hits them right in the hands

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Changes need to be made 

 

[smittywerb]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

We didn’t have a run game because we had so many ten yard penalties. Lions had the ball for almost a entire 3rd quarter 

 

Even with the penalties, when we did run the ball, where we did we run it?  Over and over and over.  Did we run one screen, or sweep, or toss?  How many zones and dives did we run?  The answer to those questions are just as important as the penalties and lack of talent.

[DougDew]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Do you ever have any humility stop trying like your always right 

Am I supposed to intentionally post something that I think is wrong?  Or just post a random thought that comes to mind?  Those kinds of posts suck, and just clutter up the thread with noise.

 

Do you think AR plays calm and collected?  Do you think Wentz did?    Seems like a valid comparison.

[smittywerb]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Changes need to be made 

 

 

I'm going to have nightmares of chopping wood

[rockywoj]

I am as disappointed and negative about this season’s team as I have been in a long time.  That being said …

 

I am hopeful that Richardson can still emerge as a legit QB and a legit threat.  Patience and good coaching will be key. 
 

I remain a huge JT fan, but feel like the RB position group needs better depth.  Not a huge team building concern, though. 
 

The TE group has been a huge disappointment.  A lot has been invested in this group, but they are utterly blah at best, thus far. 
 

OL, disappointing for all the injuries.  Still a group that needs upgrading, but the talent to still be a top third tier group if they can all get back onto the field and stop with the penalties. 
 

WR room, I have become growingly impressed with.  MPJ is a workman-like go clutch guy. Downs is a stud!  My opinion on Alex Pierce has changed, as I am becoming a fan!  A. Mitchell I think has very good upside to become a vital weapon.  Dulan is a good 5th.  I now have no worries about this group. 
 

Defence:  I think there’s some talent, especially on the DL.  Injuries have been an issue, especially in the thin DB room. The HUGE issue to my eyes is a scheme issue.  I want a pressure defense that can strike fear in opposing teams,  leaving opposing QBs in a panic looking over their shoulder.  I want a defense that can get off the field, especially when game flow inflection points dictate coming up with a big stop. 
 

I want coaching that never puts the team at a disadvantage. Optimal in-game decision making should not be so elusive. And I want coaching that knows how to best use the talent the team has and can effectively do so. 

 

This game vs Detroit, I feel like it was winnable, but that the Colts beat themselves rather than the Lions beating them.  This is particularly disappointing being they once again squandered the opportunity to take advantage of a Houston loss. 
 

Moving forward this season, I expect that the Colts will go 3-2 over their last 5. They could go 4-1. I’d be shocked if they actually go 5-0.  I would be very disappointed, if not utterly disgusted, if they only win 2 or less of their remaining 5 games.

 

There, those are my post game thoughts. 

[smittywerb]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

 

Do you think AR plays calm and collected?  Do you think Wentz did?    Seems like a valid comparison.

 

Tbh, if you have to compare AR to Wentz, that alone should tell you the Wentz experiment was a failure.