New GM possibilities?

[JediXMan]

If Ballard does get fired finally who are some good choices to replace him?

[Solid84]

I honestly don't know a lot of the FO personnel around the league, but as far as approach I'd start by looking at organizations that've had success over a long periode of time like the Ravens (just an example).

 

I know a guy like Louise Riddick has gotten some attention from teams these last few years. Former player turned Scout, turned director of Pro Scouting (twice) and now ESPN analyst.

[Moosejawcolt]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

I honestly don't know a lot of the FO personnel around the league, but as far as approach I'd start by looking at organizations that've had success over a long periode of time like the Ravens (just an example).

 

I know a guy like Louise Riddick has gotten some attention from teams these last few years. Former player turned Scout, turned director of Pro Scouting (twice) and now ESPN analyst.

I would look at the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers and Lions as how to build successful franchises. Ravens to me as they have had turnover in GMs and still successful. That tells me they teach.

[runthepost]

Send a draft pick and triple the salary of John Lynch out in San Fran

[Solid84]

25 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I would look at the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers and Lions as how to build successful franchises. Ravens to me as they have had turnover in GMs and still successful. That tells me they teach.

Regarding the Lions. I think that's more down to Dan Campbell actually. The Lions have been a bad organisation for SO long. That changed with Campbell, because he forced a culture change. That's not to say Brad Holmes hasn't been successful - I think he's had a couple really good drafts, I just don't thnk the Lions organisation is one to emulate, yet, at least.

 

I do like the Lions have a President of Football Operations between the GM and the owner. That's something I'd like for the Colts to do as well.

[Hoosier Kriegs]

Whichever GM has the highest RAS score

[richard pallo]

Anything is possible but the Lions are the only team we are playing with a winning record down the stretch.  Many of those teams will be in tank mode shortly if they are not already there.  It’s entirely possible we could finish with an 9-8 record again.  If that happens I think he could return.  We will see.

[JediXMan]

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Anything is possible but the Lions are the only team we are playing with a winning record down the stretch.  Many of those teams will be in tank mode shortly if they are not already there.  It’s entirely possible we could finish with an 9-8 record again.  If that happens I think he could return.  We will see.

[JediXMan]

@richard pallo  Broncos will be in survival mode, Patriots have been scrappy, Lions is an auto loss. Plus two division games that could go either way. There’s no  guarantee wins especially with how Flacco has been playing.

[Moosejawcolt]

54 minutes ago, Hoosier Kriegs said:

Whichever GM has the highest RAS score

Well the sad thing is that would probably be Ballard. He has been working out a lot lately, and the media always say he is jacked lol!!

[richard pallo]

34 minutes ago, JediXMan said:

@richard pallo  Broncos will be in survival mode, Patriots have been scrappy, Lions is an auto loss. Plus two division games that could go either way. There’s no  guarantee wins especially with how Flacco has been playing.

All I said it’s entirely possible.  I didn’t say guaranteed wins at all.  Just presented the facts.  Anything is possible.

[chad72]

This guy: Alec Halaby of the Eagles, would be a great fit for us

 

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/front-office/alec-halaby

 

I like this paragraph, and if Steichen is retained (even if he isn't), Alec's familiarity and experience from the Eagles days will also help with the roster. 

 

During his tenure with the Eagles, Halaby has focused on player evaluation, roster management, and resource allocation, with a particular emphasis on integrating traditional and analytical methods in decision-making.

[GoColts8818]

26 minutes ago, chad72 said:

This guy: Alec Halaby of the Eagles, would be a great fit for us

 

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/front-office/alec-halaby

 

I like this paragraph, and if Steichen is retained (even if he isn't), Alec's familiarity and experience from the Eagles days will also help with the roster. 

 

During his tenure with the Eagles, Halaby has focused on player evaluation, roster management, and resource allocation, with a particular emphasis on integrating traditional and analytical methods in decision-making.

Grigson, Reich, and Shane.  How many times do Eagles hires have to burn the team before they look else where?

[Zoltan]

2 hours ago, Solid84 said:

I honestly don't know a lot of the FO personnel around the league, but as far as approach I'd start by looking at organizations that've had success over a long periode of time like the Ravens (just an example).

 

I know a guy like Louise Riddick has gotten some attention from teams these last few years. Former player turned Scout, turned director of Pro Scouting (twice) and now ESPN analyst.

Please no TV analysts

[chad72]

28 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Grigson, Reich, and Shane.  How many times do Eagles hires have to burn the team before they look else where?

 

Grigson was a lower level guy they got, he was nowhere close to Assistant GM when he was hired. Reich was an after thought after McDaniels' dissing us. Shane was the only one they waited for.

 

Howie Roseman and Alec Halaby worked closer together than Grigson ever did with the GM then. It is like the Texans did not discard drafting C J Stroud just because Ohio State QBs don't work out. It worked out well enough for them so far. Similarly, get the guy for his merits, IMO.

[jvan1973]

2 hours ago, runthepost said:

Send a draft pick and triple the salary of John Lynch out in San Fran

Why would they agree to that?

[chad72]

@GoColts8818 2 more candidates for you:

 

Andy Weidl, Assistant GM Of Steelers, he came from the Eagles too and he has been part of several rosters that have drafted well:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4492855/2023/05/05/steelers-nfl-draft-andy-weidl/

 

He is another candidate to me. He is a former offensive lineman. Oh no, that gives you Ryan Grigson vibes, right?  

 

Just kidding.

 

 

There is also Mike Greenberg of Bucs, he navigated the salary cap during the Covid roster when Tom Brady was with the Bucs and pulled off having all those stars on the roster for their SB run, he would be a good hire too:

 

https://www.buccaneers.com/team/front-office-roster/mike-greenberg

 

[jvan1973]

14 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Grigson was a lower level guy they got, he was nowhere close to Assistant GM when he was hired. Reich was an after thought after McDaniels' dissing us. Shane was the only one they waited for.

 

Howie Roseman and Alec Halaby worked closer together than Grigson ever did with the GM then. It is like the Texans did not discard drafting C J Stroud just because Ohio State QBs don't work out. It worked out well enough for them so far. Similarly, get the guy for his merits, IMO.

He was director of player personnel for Philly.  He wasn't low level in any way.  Halaby was below Grigson during their time together there

[chad72]

8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

He was director of player personnel for Philly.  He wasn't low level in any way.  Halaby was below Grigson during their time together there

 

But he wasn't Assistant GM, right? Or do these positions don't mean much and are given to keep them from leaving? 
 

I was just going by some of the Eagles staff in scouting being surprised Grigson got the Colts GM job then, I remember reading that.

[coltsfan_canada]

So I guess there is not really much good out there from few responses. 

 

Grass is not always greener on the other side

 

[runthepost]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Why would they agree to that?

They wouldn’t but I wish

[#12.]

3 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

Grigson, Reich, and Shane.  How many times do Eagles hires have to burn the team before they look else where?

 

Wentz, Matt Pryor.  The Eagles' offense which led to Richardson.  We're on a hell of a streak acquiring things from the Eagles.

 

 

[#12.]

Rodney McLeod was about the only decent thing we ever got from the Eagles.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Its not that  hard  a gig and along with MLB managers  i would say its a  less difficult jobs in sports.  Experience and grooming are not as necessary as other jobs in sports. Players and announcers have gone straight from the field or booth to football GM's and the dugout. 

I think being a football HC is extremely more difficult and demanding as is being a MLB GM. 

 

I don't follow NBA or NHL so don't know much about them but would think they would be more difficult. 

 

Ballard's resume included years with the bears and chiefs before getting the colts job and look at the job he's done for the colts.

While Lynch went from the safety position straight to the GM position and has mostly dominated with the 49ers since getting the position and without a elite QB.. 

 

I know its not like playing Madden and a lot more than watching YouTube videos on college draftees but basically it is getting good players and good coaches. 

Not as easier said than done but I think a easier task than other positions and other sports. 

 

So long story short, a good NFL GM can come from anywhere..The most important attribute  would be having the Football Gods on your side......and in Indy that would unfortunately be less likely .

 

[Hawkeyecolt]

5 hours ago, Zoltan said:

Please no TV analysts

Lynch was a TV analyst I believe. 

[NFLfan]

7 hours ago, Solid84 said:

Regarding the Lions. I think that's more down to Dan Campbell actually. The Lions have been a bad organisation for SO long. That changed with Campbell, because he forced a culture change. That's not to say Brad Holmes hasn't been successful - I think he's had a couple really good drafts, I just don't thnk the Lions organisation is one to emulate, yet, at least.

 

I do like the Lions have a President of Football Operations between the GM and the owner. That's something I'd like for the Colts to do as well.

 

I think Brad Holmes has done a great job. Getting what he got for Stafford, including a starting quarterback and multiple first round draft picks, was brilliant. He has had some great drafts. He does not panic and give up draft picks for players.  I believe he hired Campbell. Right? If he did, he has to get credit for that too. The Lions now have a lot of stability. 

 

The Ravens also have lots of stability and they have run their team well for at least 20 years. In 2022, I wanted the Vikings to hire former Ravens executive Joe Hortiz to replace former GM Rick Spielman. Hortiz is the GM of the Chargers now. Anyone from the Ravens would be great.

[Zoltan]

37 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

Lynch was a TV analyst I believe. 

and honestly he's lucky Kyle Shanahan is his HC.

[Defjamz26]

The most popular name will be Mike Borgonzi of the Chiefs. He’s been on the future GM list for awhile now. He’s a guy that we will have to wait to interview though, as the Chiefs will likely be back in the Super Bowl.

 

https://www.chiefs.com/team/front-office-roster/mike-borgonzi

[cdgacoltsfan]

17 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I would look at the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers and Lions as how to build successful franchises. Ravens to me as they have had turnover in GMs and still successful. That tells me they teach.

Lol...you do know that Ballard was in the Chiefs organization...right????

[cdgacoltsfan]

13 hours ago, coltsfan_canada said:

So I guess there is not really much good out there from few responses. 

 

Grass is not always greener on the other side

 

No worries. Ballard will be the GM in 2025.

 

[richard pallo]

23 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

The most popular name will be Mike Borgonzi of the Chiefs. He’s been on the future GM list for awhile now. He’s a guy that we will have to wait to interview though, as the Chiefs will likely be back in the Super Bowl.

 

https://www.chiefs.com/team/front-office-roster/mike-borgonzi

The Chiefs tree?   I don’t know.  Might want to rethink that one.  lol.

[#12.]

Irsay might go in a different direction than people are thinking.  The boy wonder GM,  the greatest GM candidate of the 21st century - that didn’t work.  The hot candidate, the young offensive-minded HC - that isn't working.

 

Irsay might go with experience and/or someone he has a connection to in each position.

[Defjamz26]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

The Chiefs tree?   I don’t know.  Might want to rethink that one.  lol.

I don’t disagree. For all their success, the Chiefs aren’t what I would call an elite drafting team. Great job on Mahomes, and Kelce and Jones in the 3rd and 2nd rounds respectively were steals. But I personally think they’re a well coached team with 3 superstars and middle of the pack talent everywhere else. 
 

Now that in no way states that Borgonzi would be the exact same type of GM as Brett Veach, but I also don’t want to crown the Chiefs scouting department. I’m just throwing his name out there because he’s gotten interviews before and I know he’ll likely be the top candidate.

 

To me another name id explore is Rick Spielman. Former Vikings GM. He drafted Justin Jefferson, Dalvin Cook, Christian Darrisaw, Stefan Diggs, Adam Thielen, Danielle Hunter, etc… only Knick would be that outside of Cousins I don’t recall too many big time FA signings in his tenure.

[GoColts8818]

20 minutes ago, #12. said:

Irsay might go in a different direction than people are thinking.  The boy wonder GM,  the greatest GM candidate of the 21st century - that didn’t work.  The hot candidate, the young offensive-minded HC - that isn't working.

 

Irsay might go with experience and/or someone he has a connection to in each position.

That’s what I would like.  That’s why I said if I ran the team I’d bring Polian in as a consultant and have him rank the other GMs in the league 1-30 (again excluding Ballard and Jerry Jones for obvious reasons) and start at 1 and call and see what it would take to hire them away, not unlike what he did to get Bill Polian from Carolina when he gave them a third round pick, and go down the list until you get one of them at a price Irsay is comfortable with.  
 

Then you tell the new GM you want a proven coach like when he brought Dungy in.  He’s had four (five if you count Saturday), head coaches with no experience in a row since Dungy.  

[masterlock]

18 hours ago, Hoosier Kriegs said:

Whichever GM has the highest RAS score

Yeah, and then sit them for a year to let them watch and learn the GM position.

[csmopar]

20 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

I would look at the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers and Lions as how to build successful franchises. Ravens to me as they have had turnover in GMs and still successful. That tells me they teach.

You had me up till the lions. They were amongst the leagues worst ran teams until just a couple years back . 

[Defjamz26]

18 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

That’s what I would like.  That’s why I said if I ran the team I’d bring Polian in as a consultant and have him rank the other GMs in the league 1-30 (again excluding Ballard and Jerry Jones for obvious reasons) and start at 1 and call and see what it would take to hire them away, not unlike what he did to get Bill Polian from Carolina when he gave them a third round pick, and go down the list until you get one of them at a price Irsay is comfortable with.  
 

Then you tell the new GM you want a proven coach like when he brought Dungy in.  He’s had four (five if you count Saturday), head coaches with no experience in a row since Dungy.  

Yeah I think the NFL as a whole has exhausted its options with young up and coming coordinators. I think if a reset happens, an outside of the box approach will be needed.

[Moosejawcolt]

5 hours ago, csmopar said:

You had me up till the lions. They were amongst the leagues worst ran teams until just a couple years back . 

Lol. Yeah, I will take that one back.

[Moosejawcolt]

7 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Lol...you do know that Ballard was in the Chiefs organization...right????

Yeah and they haven't missed a beat with him gone. I guess that is the time the Chiefs teaching sucked or Ballard was a poor student????

[BeanDiasucci]

22 hours ago, Zoltan said:

Please no TV analysts

Sorry, but the next episode of "As the Colts Turn" will have them firing Ballard after the Lions game and bringing in Pat McAfee as Interim GM.