zero top 20 receivers

[OLD FAN MAN]

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

[LJpalmbeacher2]

3 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

 

Well it can't be the receivers because Ballard likes his guys. 

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Well it can't be the receivers because Ballard likes his guys. 

lol

[Yoshinator]

1 hour ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

I actually don't think it's the receivers. I would say it's the QB play and play calling. Both QBs just stink, and Steichen doesn't do anything to cater to their strengths. AR didn't run the ball enough and it's a big part of why he looked like a bust (among other things). Flacco is a statue and we should be running early and often to set up quick short and intermediate passes. Instead, Flacco ends up throwing more than he should and A.) either making bad decisions B.) Becoming too predictable and we can't move the ball, or C.) We just completely abandon the run in the 2nd half if there's any sort of lead from our opponent.

 

Like I said from the post you liked from a month ago, if I had all of Ballard's resources and scouts, I could form a better team than him. It's going downhill very quickly on this team. However, I don't have an issue with the WR strategy. I have an issue with the QBs and play calling. If you are going to draft AR (Ballard was forced too), then play him til the end. I remember a post by @Indeee a couple days ago where he thought that the Colts were benching him to 1.) Avoid more bad tape coming out 2.) Avoid Injury and 3.) That we were going to trade him in the offseason. If that's an Irsay decision and he's tanking while acquiring a pick with a new GM, I don't mind it for the long-term. If Ballard is staying and he's allowed to choose a new QB next year, the Colts are cooked.

 

Personally, as long as we don't have a QB and our play calling is bad, the receivers will only be as good as we have right now (which is probably above-average). I personally want Cam Ward, and I would be willing to trade up for him. Whatever QB we want next year in the draft, go get him. Trade up if you have too. I think Irsay is cushioning that trade-up. Think of Jeff Saturday from 2 years ago. This is Irsay meddling IMO. Whether we keep Ballard or not is unknown as he does a lot for Irsay in his current state, but no matter what comes of the GM situation, the receivers aren't a problem. It's the QB and play calling, and honestly, I think a purge of the FO is needed at minimum, and allow the new GM to choose what to do with AR.

 

I could go into how the ownership might be a problem as well now, but that's a whole new can of worms. Best we can hope for is a new QB that hits from the draft, and someone who can help that QB develop. It seems Steichen is fools-gold as Hurts had 3 years of college development and was mostly a finished product while AR was rawer than sushi. 

 

Sorry for rambling. I needed to vent a bit. However, this team couldn't have done things worse if they tried. 

[Mikemccoy84]

Due to injuries and having good amount of options probably won’t see our guys hit league leaders. Josh downs missed multiple games same with JT. If they had them their rankings would be much higher.If Jt gets his per game average in those 3 games he is in top 5 of the league in yards. Pierce is 24th in yards and Downs is 33rd. I think that’s pretty good for what is supposedly our 2nd and 3rd option. I don’t agree with the crowd that our offense is terrible. The main problem is bad turnovers and quick three and outs.

[cdgacoltsfan]

58 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

I actually don't think it's the receivers. I would say it's the QB play and play calling. Both QBs just stink, and Steichen doesn't do anything to cater to their strengths. AR didn't run the ball enough and it's a big part of why he looked like a bust (among other things). Flacco is a statue and we should be running early and often to set up quick short and intermediate passes. Instead, Flacco ends up throwing more than he should and A.) either making bad decisions B.) Becoming too predictable and we can't move the ball, or C.) We just completely abandon the run in the 2nd half if there's any sort of lead from our opponent.

 

Like I said from the post you liked from a month ago, if I had all of Ballard's resources and scouts, I could form a better team than him. It's going downhill very quickly on this team. However, I don't have an issue with the WR strategy. I have an issue with the QBs and play calling. If you are going to draft AR (Ballard was forced too), then play him til the end. I remember a post by @Indeee a couple days ago where he thought that the Colts were benching him to 1.) Avoid more bad tape coming out 2.) Avoid Injury and 3.) That we were going to trade him in the offseason. If that's an Irsay decision and he's tanking while acquiring a pick with a new GM, I don't mind it for the long-term. If Ballard is staying and he's allowed to choose a new QB next year, the Colts are cooked.

 

Personally, as long as we don't have a QB and our play calling is bad, the receivers will only be as good as we have right now (which is probably above-average). I personally want Cam Ward, and I would be willing to trade up for him. Whatever QB we want next year in the draft, go get him. Trade up if you have too. I think Irsay is cushioning that trade-up. Think of Jeff Saturday from 2 years ago. This is Irsay meddling IMO. Whether we keep Ballard or not is unknown as he does a lot for Irsay in his current state, but no matter what comes of the GM situation, the receivers aren't a problem. It's the QB and play calling, and honestly, I think a purge of the FO is needed at minimum, and allow the new GM to choose what to do with AR.

 

I could go into how the ownership might be a problem as well now, but that's a whole new can of worms. Best we can hope for is a new QB that hits from the draft, and someone who can help that QB develop. It seems Steichen is fools-gold as Hurts had 3 years of college development and was mostly a finished product while AR was rawer than sushi. 

 

Sorry for rambling. I needed to vent a bit. However, this team couldn't have done things worse if they tried. 

I thought you were gone until Ballard is gone?

[tfunky14]

4 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

Look who they have throwing to them to get that answer

[Stephen]

The receivers  are fine if we had lamar jackson,pat mahomes, Josh Allen throwing  to them

[cdgacoltsfan]

6 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

Neither do the Chiefs.....please explain

[DougDew]

A previously empty WR room has given way to a full WR room, still without one receiver that stands out amongst the rest.

 

 No TE either.  

 

 But TOP is low because the QB situation is bad.

[ProblChld32]

6 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

Simple answer is QB play. Also there are 31 other teams in the NFL so not being in the Top 20 is not really saying much.

[JediXMan]

WRs aren’t even a top 6 problem on this team. There’s plenty of teams that are good with average WRs Chargers being one example.

[shasta519]

They spread the ball around and they have played half the season with AR at QB. Plus, the alpha WR1 has been dealing with back issues. 

 

 

[twfish]

I don't think WR is close to being an issue for the team. QB and then scheme is the issue.

[GoColts8818]

Generally speaking in order to have a top 20 receiver you have to have a QB worth a darn.  They tend to go hand and hand.  

[smittywerb]

Receivers also have to stop dropping passes:  https://youtu.be/R0QhW2FLUGs?si=AutVMaatGjTIL8RA

[runthepost]

2 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Neither do the Chiefs.....please explain

Rice probably would have been top 10-15ish if he doesn’t get hurt. Also Chiefs have a QB that can win we don’t.

[cdgacoltsfan]

18 minutes ago, runthepost said:

Rice probably would have been top 10-15ish if he doesn’t get hurt. Also Chiefs have a QB that can win we don’t.

Rice probably should be in jail.

[Moosejawcolt]

10 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

the colts have no receivers in the top 20 in total yards, Is it the low talent level of the receivers or qbs or play calling?

Qb play has had a huge impact. I actually think wrs are the strongest group on this team. 

[Lifetime Colt]

Colts receivers are the easiest to cover in the league, the TE is not ever a part of the receiving corps. When 4-5 DB's and 2-3LB's cover 3 guys it cant work to your favor. Opponents could ignore the TE completely for a full game and they might get 2-3 catches. When you combine the inefficiency of the QB's you get interceptions, pass break-ups, missed throws, and an occasional catch, not enough to win, but enough to give the defense enough snaps to cover a year and a half of playtime experience.

[Solid84]

46 minutes ago, Lifetime Colt said:

Colts receivers are the easiest to cover in the league, the TE is not ever a part of the receiving corps. When 4-5 DB's and 2-3LB's cover 3 guys it cant work to your favor. Opponents could ignore the TE completely for a full game and they might get 2-3 catches. When you combine the inefficiency of the QB's you get interceptions, pass break-ups, missed throws, and an occasional catch, not enough to win, but enough to give the defense enough snaps to cover a year and a half of playtime experience.

I don't know if they are. Downs is an A tier route runner and AD's ability to separate is superb. AD just needs to get more chances like the Bills game.

 

TEs are weak though and our RBs definitely aren't a sure thing either.

[bluephantom87]

7 hours ago, Stephen said:

The receivers  are fine if we had lamar jackson,pat mahomes, Josh Allen throwing  to them

 

We could've had Lamar twice

[richard pallo]

Quarterback play obviously.  

[throwing BBZ]

8 hours ago, tfunky14 said:

Look who they have throwing to them to get that answer

 

 A Clueless thread. Old man probably has never looked at a list of top twenty receivers in his life. There are Many superb ones in the NFL.

 Pittman wasn't considered top twenty and clearly AR is garbage throwing in time for quick hitters. GARBAGE.

 Again, a silly thread.

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

2 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 A Clueless thread. Old man probably has never looked at a list of top twenty receivers in his life. There are Many superb ones in the NFL.

 Pittman wasn't considered top twenty and clearly AR is garbage throwing in time for quick hitters. GARBAGE.

 Again, a silly thread.

Unfortunately these days, silly threads are becoming more common than a colts QB throwing an intercept........

[OLD FAN MAN]

12 hours ago, Yoshinator said:

I actually don't think it's the receivers. I would say it's the QB play and play calling. Both QBs just stink, and Steichen doesn't do anything to cater to their strengths. AR didn't run the ball enough and it's a big part of why he looked like a bust (among other things). Flacco is a statue and we should be running early and often to set up quick short and intermediate passes. Instead, Flacco ends up throwing more than he should and A.) either making bad decisions B.) Becoming too predictable and we can't move the ball, or C.) We just completely abandon the run in the 2nd half if there's any sort of lead from our opponent.

 

Like I said from the post you liked from a month ago, if I had all of Ballard's resources and scouts, I could form a better team than him. It's going downhill very quickly on this team. However, I don't have an issue with the WR strategy. I have an issue with the QBs and play calling. If you are going to draft AR (Ballard was forced too), then play him til the end. I remember a post by @Indeee a couple days ago where he thought that the Colts were benching him to 1.) Avoid more bad tape coming out 2.) Avoid Injury and 3.) That we were going to trade him in the offseason. If that's an Irsay decision and he's tanking while acquiring a pick with a new GM, I don't mind it for the long-term. If Ballard is staying and he's allowed to choose a new QB next year, the Colts are cooked.

 

Personally, as long as we don't have a QB and our play calling is bad, the receivers will only be as good as we have right now (which is probably above-average). I personally want Cam Ward, and I would be willing to trade up for him. Whatever QB we want next year in the draft, go get him. Trade up if you have too. I think Irsay is cushioning that trade-up. Think of Jeff Saturday from 2 years ago. This is Irsay meddling IMO. Whether we keep Ballard or not is unknown as he does a lot for Irsay in his current state, but no matter what comes of the GM situation, the receivers aren't a problem. It's the QB and play calling, and honestly, I think a purge of the FO is needed at minimum, and allow the new GM to choose what to do with AR.

 

I could go into how the ownership might be a problem as well now, but that's a whole new can of worms. Best we can hope for is a new QB that hits from the draft, and someone who can help that QB develop. It seems Steichen is fools-gold as Hurts had 3 years of college development and was mostly a finished product while AR was rawer than sushi. 

 

Sorry for rambling. I needed to vent a bit. However, this team couldn't have done things worse if they tried. 

great post

[Two_pound]

In all my years of watching football I don't know if I've ever seen a team that has so many receivers wwwwiiiiidddddeeeee open virtually every play. It is mind numbing the qb's can't get them the ball. Also consider how many times the running backs have been left open in the flat and the qb's apparently don't see them or don't know where they are.

[Lifetime Colt]

I did not mean to degrade the individuals at all, I know they are talented. I was more alluding to the defensive coverage can be more focused on just a few guys rather than getting confused in coverage with 4 or 5 areas of concern. It comes down to making a defense cover every aspect of the field equally, not having a 80-90% of real odds where the ball might go.

 

On 11/12/2024 at 3:28 PM, Solid84 said:

I don't know if they are. Downs is an A tier route runner and AD's ability to separate is superb. AD just needs to get more chances like the Bills game.

 

TEs are weak though and our RBs definitely aren't a sure thing either.

 

[OLD FAN MAN]

imo our receivers will flourish with ar back especially ap and ap will be top 20 before seasons end

[smittywerb]

On 11/12/2024 at 5:14 PM, Two_pound said:

In all my years of watching football I don't know if I've ever seen a team that has so many receivers wwwwiiiiidddddeeeee open virtually every play. It is mind numbing the qb's can't get them the ball. Also consider how many times the running backs have been left open in the flat and the qb's apparently don't see them or don't know where they are.

 

ummmm idk dude, if you look at the next gen stats, they contradict what you’re saying.  Downs is good, AP and AD are middle of the pack, and Pitt has been bad.  What’s alarming about Pitt is that he has a high cushion rate, good amount of targets, but has a 55% catch rate, and that’s our WR1.  Take a look here:  https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

 

If anything, what the stats tell me is that we may have a coaching/scheme/philosophy issue or that outside of downs, our receivers haven’t been playing that well.  And honestly, the eye test is more in line with our receivers are not playing well.  QB situation has been a crap show as well, but receivers seem to be playing a part too.  From what I’ve seen:  Downs is cooking but has games where he’s schemed out, AP is a threat and has produced but can be schemed out due to his limited route tree, AD hasn’t played well but hopefully this last game is a sign of breaking out, and Pitt hasn’t played well whether that’s due to not having good games or his back injury.  
 

Regarding our not hitting QBs in the flats, I definitely agree with.  We’ve seen both AR and Flacco not throw it to the flat when it’s wide open.  That leads me to believe it’s coaching.

 

Personally, I think our TE situation is severely hampering the passing game.  I mean think about it, outside of downs, who’s threatening the middle of the field?   That’s essentially 33% of the field that linebackers and safeties don’t even have to worry about.

[masterlock]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:25 AM, Stephen said:

The receivers  are fine if we had lamar jackson,pat mahomes, Josh Allen throwing  to them

Exactly. I think that's a big reason why Pierce didn't flourish the first couple years--no-one threw him the ball. And it wasn't just on long routes. Receivers can't look good if they aren't thrown catchable balls. 

[funktacious2]

Well, I mean, yeah?

 

I haven’t taken a took but I don’t think it’s crazy to think that there might be 20 WRs in this league I would rather have than Pittman. The guy is injured of course but he is supposed to be our number 1 and he is currently number 3 in yards. Even when healthy, he is a great WR but he’s not elite. So yeah, our receiving group can still stand to add an elite WR or TE. But I also don’t think we’re bad. Pierce is playing like a high end WR2 or low end WR1 this year and Downs is not far behind him with two less games played. 
 

The issue is that our top 2 guys seem great but not amazing. And yes QB play is also an issue, without question. AD stepping by up and making some great catches has my optimism for him back on track. And Downs is just downright awesome, he’s on track to lead the lead the team in production and is emerging as the go-to guy when we need to convert.

[bsteves]

AR completes like 7 passes a game😂

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 minutes ago, bsteves said:

AR completes like 7 passes a game😂

that was before imo he will improve on that greatly

[bsteves]

17 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

that was before imo he will improve on that greatly

 

Oh yeah, 2 weeks has gone by. I'm sure his play has improved drastically.

 

Look, I like AR but he has a long way to go. I don't know if he'll ever get there. Personally, I think he should have sat on the bench for the entire year. He's really young and very raw. I think he needs to develop more before he gets ruined by the big boys.

[coltsblue1844]

Obviously we don't have them...but imagine these WRs with Manning or Luck at QB. There's the simple answer.

 

With either of those guys at QB our WRs would look phenomenal...add a good TE and already having JT and our offense would be crazy good.

 

But our entire game plan would be different with a Peyton or Luck at QB.

[crazycolt1]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the receiver room. We have one of the best over the top receivers in the league with Pierce.  Pitt gets disrespected in this forum because he doesn't get the same numbers as the top receivers in the league.  If Pitt was on a team with an accurate QB his numbers would be alot higher.  

I'm more concerned about not using the TEs when that is the position that can help a young QB the most.  

 

[Tommysf18]

AD has the #1 separation percentage in the league when on the field. A bigger version of TY. He needs to be starting. We've seen what Peirce can do. Pittman's time has came and went. Let the rookie fly. F'n bugs me to see him on the sideline. What a waste of talent!

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the receiver room. We have one of the best over the top receivers in the league with Pierce.  Pitt gets disrespected in this forum because he doesn't get the same numbers as the top receivers in the league.  If Pitt was on a team with an accurate QB his numbers would be alot higher.  

I'm more concerned about not using the TEs when that is the position that can help a young QB the most.  

 

I’m interested to see how Ballard handles our TE room this off-season.  Moe and Granson are FA.  It would be great if he found a way to upgrade the position with a veteran that could provide AR with another weapon.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

I’m interested to see how Ballard handles our TE room this off-season.  Moe and Granson are FA.  It would be great if he found a way to upgrade the position with a veteran that could provide AR with another weapon.

 The TE position has morphed into a must have for teams that want offensive ball control.