The Colts Succeeded

Smonroe · November 4

If the plan was not to get AR embarrassed on national TV, it worked. Success.

But If the plan was that Joe gave us the best shot to “win now”, it failed miserably.

Now that we know that Joe is not going to get us into the playoffs, it’s time to get back to the business of finding out if AR is our future.

And even if you believe Joe has a chance to get us to the playoffs, no one believes he’ll be around much longer. So what’s the point? Haven’t we had enough of the QB du jour?

This seems like a simple decision. You evaluate AR the rest of the season. If he doesn’t look like he’s getting it, then you draft another QB in 25.

RollerColt · November 4

I can hear some arguments that moving back to AR after last night would ruin the locker room.

But, at this point, and for that matter the last 3-4 years, the locker room is already sickened by something. Apathy, lack of accountability?

I expect to hear the same ole same ole of "Flacco still gives us the best chance to win" until maybe after next weekend. If he plays again like last night, then he could very well be benched. Which at that point, we're definitely back to 2022 again.

AR honestly needed to be benched regardless. He was not playing well, made a professional mistake. Steichen going up on the podium though and stating Flacco would be starting for the rest of year was too much.

jbaron04 · November 4

Let Flacco play these next 3 weeks against the bills , jets , lions we go 0-3 most likely. Then we can see if it was AR or is something else broken. If we go 0-3 then put AR back in to end the season against 5 winnable teams.

tfunky14 · November 4

58 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

If the plan was not to get AR embarrassed on national TV, it worked. Success.

But If the plan was that Joe gave us the best shot to “win now”, it failed miserably.

Now that we know that Joe is not going to get us into the playoffs, it’s time to get back to the business of finding out if AR is our future.

And even if you believe Joe has a chance to get us to the playoffs, no one believes he’ll be around much longer. So what’s the point? Haven’t we had enough of the QB du jour?

This seems like a simple decision. You evaluate AR the rest of the season. If he doesn’t look like he’s getting it, then you draft another QB in 25.

When you tap out of game right before a 3rd 8 and for a chance to tie Houston for the division you lost the team.

Wake up AR homers, that is a terrible on his part. Period....

In saying that, I want AR to succeed but he needs to learn to be A NFL QB and right now he is not.

stitches · November 4

For some reason people think this was some amazing defense the Vikings were putting on the field. Just a quick fact check. Yes, their defense is exotic and gives the opponent some quirky looks. But this defense was ranked no. 30 in the league before this game!

People have their priorities completely messed up. Hell, even if he gets embarrassed? So what? This is about growth and development and evaluation of our highly prized QB. None of the other nonsense and concerns for optics should matter. Even in adversity you can learn things about your QB.

John Hammonds · November 4

6 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

Let Flacco play these next 3 weeks against the bills , jets , lions we go 0-3 most likely. Then we can see if it was AR or is something else broken. If we go 0-3 then put AR back in to end the season against 5 winnable teams.

I agree. Flacco plays vs the Bills, Jets, Lions, and Patriots. Through to the bye week. And we assess what we're going to do after that. Do we continue a "playoffs or bust" track? Or a "Richardson gets trained or die trying" track?

tfunky14 · November 4

The Vikings defense looked decent last night to me. But I'm just a Colts fan.

stitches · November 4

3 minutes ago, tfunky14 said:

The Vikings defense looked decent last night to me. But I'm just a Colts fan.

Against our offense, most teams' defenses look decent.

RollerColt · November 4

If the Colts offense looks super bad against the Patriots down the road in a few weeks, does that put the final nail in the coffin for the regime like in 2022?

jemack · November 4

I'd rather AR get his confidence shaken by a coaches decision than to be pummeled by the Bills and the Lions and maybe Jets.

chad72 · November 4

13 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

Let Flacco play these next 3 weeks against the bills , jets , lions we go 0-3 most likely. Then we can see if it was AR or is something else broken. If we go 0-3 then put AR back in to end the season against 5 winnable teams.

I think the change might come if we get embarrassed on National TV vs Jets on SNF again.

Lions, no one will blame us for losing to them because they are possibly the best team in the NFL right now, so would not be enough justification to put in AR after the Lions game. So, if you get embarrassed versus the Jets, that would be the right time to put AR back, IMO, after the Jets game.

bsteves · November 4

Jesus, you guys are something else. AR is not going to start again for some time. He is going to learn behind a veteran superbowl qb and develop in practice. He needs to work on his footwork, pre/post snap reads, and his accuracy. All of this will be done through PRACTICE. He's raw. We just need to be patient with him. Not throw him out to the wolves. Going 3 and out every drive is demoralizing. Overthrowing receivers 5 yards away is demoralizing. Let's not kill this guys confidence.

RollerColt · November 4

Just now, bsteves said:

Jesus, you guys are something else. AR is not going to start again for some time. He is going to learn behind a veteran superbowl qb and develop in practice. He needs to work on his footwork, pre/post snap reads, and his accuracy. All of this will be done through PRACTICE. He's raw. We just need to be patient with him. Not throw him out to the wolves. Going 3 and out every drive is demoralizing. Overthrowing receivers 5 yards away is demoralizing. Let's not kill this guys confidence.

I think he'll start again at some point, because either Joe will get injured or the staff will be desperate for a spark of something to salvage the season.

bsteves · November 4

2 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I think he'll start again at some point, because either Joe will get injured or the staff will be desperate for a spark of something to salvage the season.

Joe will be fine. The offense is better with him out there. Once Joe and the offense find their groove, things will calm down around here.

JediXMan · November 4

3 minutes ago, bsteves said:

Joe will be fine. The offense is better with him out there. Once Joe and the offense find their groove, things will calm down around here.

bsteves · November 4

Just now, JediXMan said:

Not sure if you're laughing bc you think the offense is better with AR or if I said things will calm down around here once the offense finds it's groove🤷🏼‍♂️

tweezy32 · November 4

I wonder if they also put Flacco in to see how other players perform. To see if other players play better or they are still not that good. If our WRs are dojig what they are supposed to be doing or are they underperforming still. same as Oline

Mitch Connors · November 4

18 minutes ago, bsteves said:

Jesus, you guys are something else. AR is not going to start again for some time. He is going to learn behind a veteran superbowl qb and develop in practice. He needs to work on his footwork, pre/post snap reads, and his accuracy. All of this will be done through PRACTICE. He's raw. We just need to be patient with him. Not throw him out to the wolves. Going 3 and out every drive is demoralizing. Overthrowing receivers 5 yards away is demoralizing. Let's not kill this guys confidence.

Im fairly positive the backup QBs get very little action in practice during the season. AR, at most, would be running the scout team which means hes not playing QB as AR he's pretending to be the other teams starting QB while running plays on offense that our defense expects to see in the game. If you think that's developing him, great but I dont see how that helps him develop.

Hes not gettign 1st team reps, Flacco's getting all of those. Hes in the same offense and QB meetings but he'd be there anyway.

I think theres a major misunderstanding of what a backup QB is doing during the week.

Moosejawcolt · November 4

1 hour ago, Smonroe said:

If the plan was not to get AR embarrassed on national TV, it worked. Success.

But If the plan was that Joe gave us the best shot to “win now”, it failed miserably.

Now that we know that Joe is not going to get us into the playoffs, it’s time to get back to the business of finding out if AR is our future.

And even if you believe Joe has a chance to get us to the playoffs, no one believes he’ll be around much longer. So what’s the point? Haven’t we had enough of the QB du jour?

This seems like a simple decision. You evaluate AR the rest of the season. If he doesn’t look like he’s getting it, then you draft another QB in 25.

The problem going to back to AR is this. The coach came out and said AR needed to be more professional. U can read into that what u want. However, that leads me to believe the benching was due not only to his play but the way he conducted himself. Going back to AR after one game is not a good look. U said Flacco gives u the best chance. Now a game later u r saying AR gives u the best chance. How do u go before the media and annoit AR as your starter? U r basically say u were wrong on Flacco and AR fixed what needed fixing in a week. As I predicted, this is going south very fast. Shane has painted himself into a corner with the decision he made. I think they will wait maybe one more game before they put him back in. They will lose next week and then Shane will put AR back in hoping to save his job. I think at this point AR is the only one who maybe able to save everyone from getting fired.

King Colt · November 4

Why was AR wearing a helmet yesterday on the sideline? Is he making a statement or am I reading nothing into something?

JMichael557 · November 4

46 minutes ago, tfunky14 said:

When you tap out of game right before a 3rd 8 and for a chance to tie Houston for the division you lost the team.

Wake up AR homers, that is a terrible on his part. Period....

In saying that, I want AR to succeed but he needs to learn to be A NFL QB and right now he is not.

He took off one play because do to lack of experience and coaching he sincerely did not know that the the QB could not take a play off (like the rest of the team does). He came in the next series and let the team to a TD and then in the final series brought them to the 50 yd line which would have been the 30 but for mistake by other players. Not exactly tapping out.

Smonroe · November 4

8 minutes ago, King Colt said:

Why was AR wearing a helmet yesterday on the sideline? Is he making a statement or am I reading nothing into something?

I think it’s so he could hear the play call.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but I think we had a better chance with AR last night. He could have at least run the ball, which makes JT more effective. And Joe wasn’t hitting the layups anyway.

ColtStrong2013 · November 4

52 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Lions, no one will blame us for losing to them because they are possibly the best team in the NFL right now, so would not be enough justification to put in AR after the Lions game.

In typical colts fashion, we’ll probably beat the Lions and then they’ll go on to win the superbowl.

dw49 · November 4

2 hours ago, Smonroe said:

If the plan was not to get AR embarrassed on national TV, it worked. Success.

But If the plan was that Joe gave us the best shot to “win now”, it failed miserably.

Now that we know that Joe is not going to get us into the playoffs, it’s time to get back to the business of finding out if AR is our future.

And even if you believe Joe has a chance to get us to the playoffs, no one believes he’ll be around much longer. So what’s the point? Haven’t we had enough of the QB du jour?

This seems like a simple decision. You evaluate AR the rest of the season. If he doesn’t look like he’s getting it, then you draft another QB in 25.

The best line I heard to describe this ridiculous move to name Joe F the starter is the following . It came from a couple of the talking heads and it was simply this . "What are the Colts trying to win ?"

bluephantom87 · November 4

The Colts offense put up its lowest output of the season last night and Joe looked like an older journeyman qb but I'd still let him keep the reigns for the next 3 games only for AR's shakey confidence right now since they decided to bench him.

This team is not making a deep playoff run (if at all) under Flacco nor will they win the division either so the only goal at this point is to hit a reset on the YOUNG 22 yr old AR as qb1 who by the way according to NCF Ballard was very high on with Shane backing those sentiments.

Bailing on AR after only 10 starts makes no sense considering that the organization KNEW that this would be a development project considering AR's accuracy issues, injuries and very small sample size as q1 at any level. Despite those facts the Colts chose to take him at number 4 overall anyway. Maturity also has to be considered because some decisions like admitting to tapping out would not have been openly stated by a seasoned vet even if being tired was the case.

The real issue has been Ballard's refusal to move UP and snag a young qb in his tenure as others have with the likes of Jackson, Allen, Herbert and Love to name a few. The Chiefs moved up 17 spots to snag Mahomes yet Ballard couldn't move up 3 to take the polished Stroud who by the way was coming off the college playoff game in which he almost singlehandedly beat the vaunted Georgia dawgs. AR was the better choice between he and the awful Levis but if you don't give AR room to grow then what was the point anyway?

tfunky14 · November 4

24 minutes ago, JMichael557 said:

He took off one play because do to lack of experience and coaching he sincerely did not know that the the QB could not take a play off (like the rest of the team does). He came in the next series and let the team to a TD and then in the final series brought them to the 50 yd line which would have been the 30 but for mistake by other players. Not exactly tapping out.

One play to many.. Sorry no excuse for it.

Smonroe · November 4

7 minutes ago, tfunky14 said:

One play to many.. Sorry no excuse for it.

We all make mistakes. For example, some people still confuse too with to.

(Just kidding, the grammar patrol is over)

Hawkeyecolt · November 4

1 hour ago, tfunky14 said:

When you tap out of game right before a 3rd 8 and for a chance to tie Houston for the division you lost the team.

Wake up AR homers, that is a terrible on his part. Period....

In saying that, I want AR to succeed but he needs to learn to be A NFL QB and right now he is not.

It was 3rd and 23

chad72 · November 4

42 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:

In typical colts fashion, we’ll probably beat the Lions and then they’ll go on to win the superbowl.

2013 - Seahawks (with Luck)

2015 - Broncos (with Luck)

2019 and 2022 - Chiefs (with Brissett and Matt Ryan, lol)

Close loss to Rams in 2021 (with Wentz)

But beyond that, we always lost to the Patriots under Brady during their SB winning years and under Ballard, haven't even won the division in 8 years.

IT IS OFFICIAL, the Colts on the schedule for a playoff team is indeed a trap game, lol

JMichael557 · November 4

i think you all miss the point regarding QB. If we had Stroud in the SS offense the problems would be the same. As shown last night the problem is the system.

ColtStrong2013 · November 4

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

2013 - Seahawks (with Luck)

2015 - Broncos (with Luck)

2019 and 2022 - Chiefs (with Brissett and Matt Ryan, lol)

Close loss to Rams in 2021 (with Wentz)

it’s a weird phenomenon.

colts89 · November 4

1 hour ago, bsteves said:

Joe will be fine. The offense is better with him out there. Once Joe and the offense find their groove, things will calm down around here.

We played a game last night in case you missed it. Understandable because we normally don't play at that time and probably won't for some time again given what happened.

colts89 · November 4

I want the professional and win now quarterback to salvage our season vs the Lions and the Bills.

Once he % things up and the supposed veteran players who wanted him to start get served the lovely humble pie they truly deserve, then let AR finish the season. Or don't and let the (hopefully) new GM/HC take the reigns from here and decide on what we do at QB going forward.

CoachLite · November 4

2 hours ago, bsteves said:

Jesus, you guys are something else. AR is not going to start again for some time. He is going to learn behind a veteran superbowl qb and develop in practice. He needs to work on his footwork, pre/post snap reads, and his accuracy. All of this will be done through PRACTICE. He's raw. We just need to be patient with him. Not throw him out to the wolves. Going 3 and out every drive is demoralizing. Overthrowing receivers 5 yards away is demoralizing. Let's not kill this guys confidence.

That would be OK if you had competent coaches to develop him. We don't. The coaches we have are up to their ears in alligators just trying to play something that looks like football, which they aren't doing very well. The same holds true for our defensive players. They are perfecting bad habits and poor play. Some who may have had the talent to be good football players may be ruined beyond repair. They are learning an approach to football that is destined for failure.

tfunky14 · November 4

1 hour ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

It was 3rd and 23

so he gave up?

tfunky14 · November 4

1 hour ago, Smonroe said:

We all make mistakes. For example, some people still confuse too with to.

(Just kidding, the grammar patrol is over)

I get it..

I want the kid to succeed.

But this was a big mistake.

The common fan doesn't really get, you have to be in the locker room to understand.

el duderino · November 4

Joe Flacco just sucks, our offense is total garbage and Steichen took 5 steps back compared to last season. Might just fire/trade everybody and start over

Smonroe · November 4

3 minutes ago, tfunky14 said:

I get it..

I want the kid to succeed.

But this was a big mistake.

The common fan doesn't really get, you have to be in the locker room to understand.

It is a big mistake. But it's one that is easily reparable. He's probably already stood up in front of the guys and apologized. He admitted it was a mistake in public. Young guys make mistakes. I'm sure you know what Peyton did when he was at Tennessee.

If that's what's getting him benched, the team is shooting themselves in the foot. We need to find out if he's the future or not. We won't find out by having him run the scout team.

runthepost · November 4

3 hours ago, bsteves said:

Joe will be fine. The offense is better with him out there. Once Joe and the offense find their groove, things will calm down around here.

Reminds me of the we would be 6-2, 7-1 if Joe started the whole year crowd

OLD FAN MAN · November 4

7 hours ago, King Colt said:

Why was AR wearing a helmet yesterday on the sideline? Is he making a statement or am I reading nothing into something?

strange

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