IMO there is more going on behind the scenes than we know with AR

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

IMO there has to be way more going on behind the scenes than what is being publicly put out there. What the Colts are telling us. And I am sure this will start to come out as days go by.

Think about it. Just in the past 5 games we now have 2 different times where AR was ghost benched and one a full on benching. He gets hurt on a fumble and comes out. Wants back in the game. Seemed fine. Coach says no. Seemed odd. Next week. Limited practice but does practice. Coach says no. Seemed more odd. Next week. AR practices pretty much in full all week. Coach STILL says no. You aren't playing. Even dresses for the game. This seemed insane. I mean that simply isn't done.

Then this week, after a game that accuracy wise I thought was way better than what was shown in the past few games.....he gets benched? This can't all be from his actual physical play, which the Colts said they were going to give him plenty of time to improve on. And while it hasn't been great passing wise, it is not as bad as it looks and he makes up for it with his running. And he still makes some passes, like the one to AM on Sunday where he didn't get 2 feet in bounds, that are out of this world.

To me, this screams that mentally, work ethic wise, and personality wise, the Colts think AR is not living up to what it takes to be an NFL qb.

Examples......

The bad INT before half. Just a stupid boneheaded play.

Not running out of bounds near the end of the game. Just a stupid bone headed play.

Not getting off a hail mary at the end of the game. You gotta throw that ball.

His smiling after tapping out and explaining it as being 'tired' later. That screams a lack of commitment to fitness. I often yell at SS for not running a hurry up offense, but maybe he doesn't because AR simply can't do it for any length of time. He gets too exhausted.

His "one of one" and "I am a great passer and best runner" comments. All after a loss. Who does that????

His comments about not really wanting to slide to protect himself.

His inability it seems to withstand pain.

His seemingly inability to improve on any fundamentals to become a better passer. Does he just not listen to coaching?

And those are things we can just see and hear. What is going on in the locker room and practice behind closed doors?

One thing I noticed from him was last year and this year, when he was hurt, he was rarely ever standing next to the coach listening to the play calls. He had a great learning experience right there for him, and I never saw him standing next to SS learning. When he plays, he rarely if ever seems to go to the bench after a 3 and out or a turnover and looks at the video or pics of the most recent plays. Finding out how to improve. He always tends to just sit on the bench with a glum look on his face. I have also heard, I believe from Kevin Bowen, that he doesn't take the film room all that seriously and he tends to keep a group of his posse like friends from Miami around him in and out of the locker room. Those are all distractions.

These are all things that other players and coaches notice and make them go "hmmmm, this guy does not seem serious about being an NFL QB". And if they feel that? He cannot lead a team.

Hark · October 30

I hadn't watched the post-game presser until last night. Completely changed my attitude on Richardson. He doesn't get it right now. Maybe he will eventually, but not right now.

smittywerb · October 30

8 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

IMO there has to be way more going on behind the scenes than what is being publicly put out there. What the Colts are telling us. And I am sure this will start to come out as days go by.

Think about it. Just in the past 5 games we now have 2 different times where AR was ghost benched and one a full on benching.   He gets hurt on a fumble and comes out. Wants back in the game. Seemed fine.   Coach says no. Seemed odd. Next week. Limited practice but does practice. Coach says no. Seemed more odd. Next week. AR practices pretty much in full all week. Coach STILL says no. You aren't playing. Even dresses for the game.   This seemed insane. I mean that simple isn't done.

Then this week, after a game that accuracy wise I thought was way better than what was shown in the past few games.....he gets benched?   This can't all be from his actual physical play, which the Colts said they were going to give him plenty of time to improve on. And while it hasn't been great passing wise, it is not as bad as it looks and he makes up for it with his running. And he still makes some passes, like the one to AM on Sunday where he didn't get 2 feet in bounds, that are out of this world.

To me, this screams that mentally, work ethic wise, and personality wise, the Colts think AR is not living up to what it takes to be an NFL qb.

Examples......

The bad INT before half. Just a stupid boneheaded play.

Not running out of bounds near the end of the game. Just a stupid bone headed play.

Not getting off a hail mary at the end of the game. You gotta throw that ball.

His smiling after tapping out and explaining it as being 'tired' later. That screams a lack of commitment to fitness.   I often yell at SS for not running a hurry up offense, but maybe he doesn't because AR simply can't do it for any length of time. He gets too exhausted.

His "one of one" and "I am a great passer and best runner" comments. All after a loss. Who does that????

His comments about not really wanting to slide to protect himself.

His inability it seems to withstand pain.

His seemingly inability to improve on any fundamentals to become a better passer. Does he just not listen to coaching?

And those are things we can just see and hear. What is going on in the locker room and practice behind closed doors?

One thing I noticed from him was last year and this year, when he was hurt, he was rarely ever standing next to the coach listening to the play calls. He had a great learning experience right there for him, and I never saw him standing next to SS learning. When he plays, he rarely if ever seems to go to the bench after a 3 and out or a turnover and looks at the video or pics of the most recent plays. Finding out how to improve. He always tends to just sit on the bench with a glum look on his face.   I have also heard, I believe from Kevin Bowen, that he doesn't take the film room all that seriously and he tends to keep a group of his posse like friends from Miami around him in and out of the locker room.   Those are all distractions.

These are all things that other players and coaches notice and make them go "hmmmm, this guy does not seem serious about being an NFL QB".    And if they feel that? He cannot lead a team.

If this is all true, then I am 100% with benching AR.

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

And just to add to my first post......it could all be explained that he just does not have the drive to be great. Some of you will dislike this, but I kind of noticed it with Luck too.

Granted I am comparing him to a Brady or Manning-who was a machine, but I never heard of Luck being a fanatic when it came time to put in the extra work either in practice or the film room. And he too tended to just go to the bench a lot and not check out the previous series on video the way Manning did. He did it more than AR, but it wasn't really his thing. And I always felt that as smart as Luck is IQ wise, he never really mastered the nuances of the mental side of being a great NFL QB. And I can only assume that was because he didn't have the drive to do so. And as we saw, he quit right before the season....again showing he did not have the drive to truly be great. It just wasn't in him. Don't get me wrong, when Luck played in a game he gave his all, but that is different than actually having the drive and will to do whatever it takes to win a SB and to be the best outside of playing in a game.

Think about it, we have now had our two most recent 'savior' QBs, Luck and AR, do things unheard of in the NFL. Luck quit the game entirely despite being in his prime, and AR tapping out of a game in the red zone in a divisional game.

What are the odds of that? 2 players from 2 totally different backgrounds both quitting? Things that are never seen before? Are they long lost brothers and neither one has the drive to be great-which is what I believe, that is then exacerbated by the complete lack of leadership in the upper levels of the team? Ballard and Irsay. Ballard is not held accountable. He is a blue chip GM according to Irsay. But we have had 8 years of complete average. Hell he thought it was a good idea to hire McDaniels-maybe the worst coach I have ever seen, and even he, after 2nd thought, turned down the Colts. SS isn't held accountable. He is the best coach in the league according to Irsay. Yet his play calling imo is bad and he has failed to develop his one main job-AR. So if players see team execs being that way? Why shouldn't they be that way either?

coltsblue1844 · October 30

THIS is why I think Steichen would have rather started Flacco all season...but that Ballard had him playing AR (It's probably not a secret in NFL circles, as several ex coaches and players basically said Monday that "the GM is forcing the coach to play" Richardson).

I also notice the WRs, TEs, O-line etc seem to be putting in extra effort when Flacco plays vs AR...because they feel they have a better shot, perhaps? I dont know, obviously... just my thoughts

SR711 · October 30

10 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

IMO there has to be way more going on behind the scenes than what is being publicly put out there. What the Colts are telling us. And I am sure this will start to come out as days go by.

Think about it. Just in the past 5 games we now have 2 different times where AR was ghost benched and one a full on benching.   He gets hurt on a fumble and comes out. Wants back in the game. Seemed fine.   Coach says no. Seemed odd. Next week. Limited practice but does practice. Coach says no. Seemed more odd. Next week. AR practices pretty much in full all week. Coach STILL says no. You aren't playing. Even dresses for the game.   This seemed insane. I mean that simple isn't done.

Then this week, after a game that accuracy wise I thought was way better than what was shown in the past few games.....he gets benched?   This can't all be from his actual physical play, which the Colts said they were going to give him plenty of time to improve on. And while it hasn't been great passing wise, it is not as bad as it looks and he makes up for it with his running. And he still makes some passes, like the one to AM on Sunday where he didn't get 2 feet in bounds, that are out of this world.

To me, this screams that mentally, work ethic wise, and personality wise, the Colts think AR is not living up to what it takes to be an NFL qb.

Examples......

The bad INT before half. Just a stupid boneheaded play.

Not running out of bounds near the end of the game. Just a stupid bone headed play.

Not getting off a hail mary at the end of the game. You gotta throw that ball.

His smiling after tapping out and explaining it as being 'tired' later. That screams a lack of commitment to fitness.   I often yell at SS for not running a hurry up offense, but maybe he doesn't because AR simply can't do it for any length of time. He gets too exhausted.

His "one of one" and "I am a great passer and best runner" comments. All after a loss. Who does that????

His comments about not really wanting to slide to protect himself.

His inability it seems to withstand pain.

His seemingly inability to improve on any fundamentals to become a better passer. Does he just not listen to coaching?

And those are things we can just see and hear. What is going on in the locker room and practice behind closed doors?

One thing I noticed from him was last year and this year, when he was hurt, he was rarely ever standing next to the coach listening to the play calls. He had a great learning experience right there for him, and I never saw him standing next to SS learning. When he plays, he rarely if ever seems to go to the bench after a 3 and out or a turnover and looks at the video or pics of the most recent plays. Finding out how to improve. He always tends to just sit on the bench with a glum look on his face.   I have also heard, I believe from Kevin Bowen, that he doesn't take the film room all that seriously and he tends to keep a group of his posse like friends from Miami around him in and out of the locker room.   Those are all distractions.

These are all things that other players and coaches notice and make them go "hmmmm, this guy does not seem serious about being an NFL QB".    And if they feel that? He cannot lead a team.

Good post…there are valid assertions which none of us will know if completely accurate unless we are around the complex, behind the scenes, etc.

However, I think if we all look at this rationally, this has to be the one issue ( receptiveness to coaching, willingness to change techniques, etc) which he needed a lot of I order get where we all wanted him to be to maximize his raw skills.

No matter how dysfunctional, inept we all might fear the coaching staff, Ballard, Irsay might be, I really doubt they would have done a complete 180 and invite such public scrutiny on themselves unless there was truly things going on behind the scenes that fans and media are not privy to.

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

6 minutes ago, coltsblue1844 said:

THIS is why I think Steichen would have rather started Flacco all season...but that Ballard had him playing AR (It's probably not a secret in NFL circles, as several ex coaches and players basically said Monday that "the GM is forcing the coach to play" Richardson).

I also notice the WRs, TEs, O-line etc seem to be putting in extra effort when Flacco plays vs AR...because they feel they have a better shot, perhaps? I dont know, obviously... just my thoughts

Your quote from Manning there as your siggy is great. Always a competitor. And he backed it up. We haven't seen that here since he left. Rivers but that was only for a year. Luck in an actual game but not really outside of it.

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

One other thing. Why not just bench AR for the rest of the game when he tapped out? And then have him start this week? That would have been a just punishment IF it was just about that and his play on the field.

Which I don't believe it is.

coltsblue1844 · October 30

22 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

Your quote from Manning there as your siggy is great. Always a competitor. And he backed it up. We haven't seen that here since he left. Rivers but that was only for a year. Luck in an actual game but not really outside of it.

The younger generation seems to easily get upset with the older generation on here, when we dont agree with them on the topic of a QB and how good they are or will be.... but when you've literally watched the entire career of one of if not THE best to ever do it, you tend to hold others to a higher standard... We arent one of these franchises that have never seen a good QB or that has to settle for mediocracy. We should expect more and hope for more...we are a better team than that. People get upset with Jim Irsay makes a decision that they dont like, but he wants to WIN, as should we all. He DOES give GMs and coaches etc a longer leash so to speak than many other owners do. He has every right to get involved when they're not living up to the standards that he sets for them and for the team

coltsblue1844 · October 30

Just now, ColtAndOrioles said:

One other thing. Why not just bench AR for the rest of the game when he tapped out? And then have him start this week? That would have been a just punishment IF it was just about that and his play on the field.

Which I don't believe it is.

I kind of wonder if Ballard was the driving force behind AR being the starter this year, honestly. Perhaps the coach was so flabbergasted by what happened, that he was shocked by it...then had to make sure he didnt get himself canned for doing so...because once they all had time to talk, it seemed the decision came quickly

John Waylon · October 30

Maybe it was getting a haircut… 🤔🤔🤔

Mikemccoy84 · October 30

Feels like it’s just the colts team culture kind of like JT and the sweatshirt thing last year. Imagine acting like that at your job because you wanted more money people are gonna think you are spoiled.

jbaron04 · October 30

Maybe Jim had a coming to Jesus moment with the tapping out and is out on AR

TM222 · October 30

What made me leery was an interview he gave a couple weeks ago when he said he’d been thinking “all week” about what his “first down celebration” was gonna be…. Really? How about learn to read a defense! This isn’t Madden.

IinD · October 30

28 minutes ago, TM222 said:

What made me leery was an interview he gave a couple weeks ago when he said he’d been thinking “all week” about what his “first down celebration” was gonna be…. Really? How about learn to read a defense! This isn’t Madden.

You could clearly see he's definitely immature in terms of being a leader at QB.

He also does this stupid playing dead thing sometimes after he gets tackled, I've noticed he's scared a couple lineman the few times he's done it. Anyone else notice that??

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

35 minutes ago, TM222 said:

What made me leery was an interview he gave a couple weeks ago when he said he’d been thinking “all week” about what his “first down celebration” was gonna be…. Really? How about learn to read a defense! This isn’t Madden.

Firstly.....welcome.

Secondly.....yeah you just can't say stuff like that. Just another sign that he isn't taking this seriously. I am sure lots of players think about that, but mainly WR's. For a qb to say that is just odd. Not that he ever would say it, but it would have been funny to see Peyton Manning make that quote...just because he has a dead pan sense of humor and you know he would be joking.

AR I am sure was serious.

EDIT: It is worse than I thought. I thought you had said touchdown celebration. A first down celebration?

My god lol. What a immature person he is right now. I am sure that made the coaches really happy to hear that.

Add that to my list of examples I made in the OP.

Moosejawcolt · October 30

2 hours ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

IMO there has to be way more going on behind the scenes than what is being publicly put out there. What the Colts are telling us. And I am sure this will start to come out as days go by.

Think about it. Just in the past 5 games we now have 2 different times where AR was ghost benched and one a full on benching.   He gets hurt on a fumble and comes out. Wants back in the game. Seemed fine.   Coach says no. Seemed odd. Next week. Limited practice but does practice. Coach says no. Seemed more odd. Next week. AR practices pretty much in full all week. Coach STILL says no. You aren't playing. Even dresses for the game.   This seemed insane. I mean that simply isn't done.

Then this week, after a game that accuracy wise I thought was way better than what was shown in the past few games.....he gets benched?   This can't all be from his actual physical play, which the Colts said they were going to give him plenty of time to improve on. And while it hasn't been great passing wise, it is not as bad as it looks and he makes up for it with his running. And he still makes some passes, like the one to AM on Sunday where he didn't get 2 feet in bounds, that are out of this world.

To me, this screams that mentally, work ethic wise, and personality wise, the Colts think AR is not living up to what it takes to be an NFL qb.

Examples......

The bad INT before half. Just a stupid boneheaded play.

Not running out of bounds near the end of the game. Just a stupid bone headed play.

Not getting off a hail mary at the end of the game. You gotta throw that ball.

His smiling after tapping out and explaining it as being 'tired' later. That screams a lack of commitment to fitness.   I often yell at SS for not running a hurry up offense, but maybe he doesn't because AR simply can't do it for any length of time. He gets too exhausted.

His "one of one" and "I am a great passer and best runner" comments. All after a loss. Who does that????

His comments about not really wanting to slide to protect himself.

His inability it seems to withstand pain.

His seemingly inability to improve on any fundamentals to become a better passer. Does he just not listen to coaching?

And those are things we can just see and hear. What is going on in the locker room and practice behind closed doors?

One thing I noticed from him was last year and this year, when he was hurt, he was rarely ever standing next to the coach listening to the play calls. He had a great learning experience right there for him, and I never saw him standing next to SS learning. When he plays, he rarely if ever seems to go to the bench after a 3 and out or a turnover and looks at the video or pics of the most recent plays. Finding out how to improve. He always tends to just sit on the bench with a glum look on his face.   I have also heard, I believe from Kevin Bowen, that he doesn't take the film room all that seriously and he tends to keep a group of his posse like friends from Miami around him in and out of the locker room.   Those are all distractions.

These are all things that other players and coaches notice and make them go "hmmmm, this guy does not seem serious about being an NFL QB".    And if they feel that? He cannot lead a team.

Agreed. The ony way they bench him is if he ia regressing and the reason for his regression is that he is not listening to the coaches. This is what I think. I believe that he is leaving a lot of plays on the field and going deep way to often. He is playing hero ball. I think we saw a little of this in his personality during the lead up to the draft. I think it is alarming the lack of production out of the tight end group. They can not be they bad. A lot of people point to the tap out. I actually feel, and said it earlier, that the play where he failed to run out of bounds in the last drive was concerning. It shows that he is laser focused on making big plays. I beleive it showed the coaches that he is lacking awareness of what needs to be done in order to win a game. Just me.

coltsblue1844 · October 30

42 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Agreed. The ony way they bench him is if he ia regressing and the reason for his regression is that he is not listening to the coaches. This is what I think. I believe that he is leaving a lot of plays on the field and going deep way to often. He is playing hero ball. I think we saw a little of this in his personality during the lead up to the draft. I think it is alarming the lack of production out of the tight end group. They can not be they bad. A lot of people point to the tap out. I actually feel, and said it earlier, that the play where he failed to run out of bounds in the last drive was concerning. It shows that he is laser focused on making big plays. I beleive it showed the coaches that he is lacking awareness of what needs to be done in order to win a game. Just me.

At his pro day when he intentionally threw the ball into the rafter and then pretended it was an accident because his arm is just SO strong...then giggled like a little kid... watching that I was wondering about his immaturity already (I know people will think i'm being too nit picky with that...but if you know much about human psychology, you could just see all of the signs that he was very much a child in an adult body. I think his family/advisors did him no favors by pushing him to the draft so early... sure he was the #4 pick and made some money, but at the expense of his career, possibly, because he just wasnt ready. You really dont get many chances in the NFL to change the opinion about your maturity and mental toughness. Once you get a label, it normally sticks, for better or worse (unless you prove them wrong early)

Moosejawcolt · October 30

5 minutes ago, coltsblue1844 said:

At his pro day when he intentionally threw the ball into the rafter and then pretended it was an accident because his arm is just SO strong...then giggled like a little kid... watching that I was wondering about his immaturity already (I know people will think i'm being too nit picky with that...but if you know much about human psychology, you could just see all of the signs that he was very much a child in an adult body. I think his family/advisors did him no favors by pushing him to the draft so early... sure he was the #4 pick and made some money, but at the expense of his career, possibly, because he just wasnt ready. You really dont get many chances in the NFL to change the opinion about your maturity and mental toughness. Once you get a label, it normally sticks, for better or worse (unless you prove them wrong early)

I wanted Levi and I was wrong. I was excited when we drafted AR. However, I did point to some incidents that made me question his maturity during the pre draft process. He came to Indy and I was blown away by his maturity durjmg press conferences.I always said that he would fail because of his inability to read a defence and not his mental makeup. That's what makes this hard. I really thought he had the intangibles. This franchise is a mess. People never listened to me when at leat 4 years ago that Ballard had no business building a team. I was called out and stuck to my guns. Here we are 8 years and a broken young qb, an aging team and it's best players on the down side. I honestly wish they would put a for sale on the front door and trade anyone of any value. They won't make the play offs and they will have Buckner, Moore and Stewart on the downside. I said never to resign Pittman, Nelson and Taylor. Now we have a rebuild with this core. It's quite depressing.

Jackie Daytona · October 30

Look back to pre draft Interviews. ARs uncle? I think it was who raised him and passed away....the one AR was "wanting to fulfill the dream he had for me"...that guy, remember?

His dream was for Anthony to MAKE the NFL as a quarterback. His dream was never said to be for Anthony to be the BEST NFL quarterback, or heck, even an AVERAGE NFL quarterback.

He's fulfilled that dream, cashed those checks, and at barely 22, maybe he just isn't sure WHO Anthony Richardson is with Unc's dream having been removed as the carrot dangling from the stick?

ColtAndOrioles · October 30

2 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Look back to pre draft Interviews. ARs uncle? I think it was who raised him and passed away....the one AR was "wanting to fulfill the dream he had for me"...that guy, remember?

His dream was for Anthony to MAKE the NFL as a quarterback. His dream was never said to be for Anthony to be the BEST NFL quarterback, or heck, even an AVERAGE NFL quarterback.

He's fulfilled that dream, cashed those checks, and at barely 22, maybe he just isn't sure WHO Anthony Richardson is with Unc's dream having been removed as the carrot dangling from the stick?

I mean the way he has spoken in his post game interviews as of late, it is possible that is the case.

Daddyneedsnack · October 30

I mean I think behind the scenes they probably see a lot of the same. Lots of deep shots, lots of backflips. He had accuracy issues at training camp. I’m sure after Steichen talked to players and asked them what they think should happen, they probably said the same. Stuff hasn’t changed, and unfortunately with how well liked this young man is, he probably doesn’t see how far off he is.

I mean how many times in the Texans game did he throw a pass with either one foot set off balance or no feet set at all? And his defense, those were on target but those also have historically caused int’s with him.

I think everyone is seeing that there isn’t improvement on the fundamentals (old heads rejoice) and the players know how good this team can be with Flacco.

AR is extremely competitive and I’m sure has good work ethic. But is he a student of the game? Is he self aware enough to know that throwing the ball 100 mph every throw isn’t really conducive for receivers?

Daddyneedsnack · October 30

I’ll say this. One of my childhood best friends and college roommates has been an equipment manager with the colts for a few seasons. Everyone in that locker room adores AR, including him. He’s way too loyal of an employee to provide us insider information, but I don’t get the sense that AR isn’t doing the right things…….according to what he’s being asked. Maybe we need to be a little more tough on him improving on those fundamentals internally.

chad72 · October 30

No need for me to go Gossip Girl on the situation as to what EXACTLY transpired behind the scenes.

In a results oriented business, the Colts just need to get there to the stage of winning consistently. What steps it takes to make it happen, needs to happen. If not, new GM, new QB, rinse and repeat.

I do wish AR well and that he bounces back from this setback and while we wait for it to happen, there are Pros we need to get behind to get more Ws.

Can’t dwell and second guess too much in the middle of the season. Just make a decision and go all in behind it to make it work well.

coltsblue1844 · October 30

Yes all of the people saying we have no shot with Flacco, or we will win 8 games.... we lost 4 games by a combined 14 points. With Flacco I honestly think we would be 7-1 right now. The reason we lost 2 of those games was no ability for the offense to stay on the field long enough for the D to catch their breath...no sustained drives, no TD etc. We lost the Jacksonville game because that's what the Colts seem to do for the past decade...but this past Sunday could have EASILY been a win... So i'm saying 7-1 or at worst 6-2 right now with Flacco starting from week 1.

If that were the case right now, would you all be excited for this season? Or would you be pouting that we have no shot and need to play AR, even if it means losing?

coltsblue1844 · October 30

1 minute ago, Daddyneedsnack said:

I’ll say this. One of my childhood best friends and college roommates has been an equipment manager with the colts for a few seasons. Everyone in that locker room adores AR, including him. He’s way too loyal of an employee to provide us insider information, but I don’t get the sense that AR isn’t doing the right things…….according to what he’s being asked. Maybe we need to be a little more tough on him improving on those fundamentals internally.

But it seems the way everyone adores him is almost in the same way you'd adore the neighborhood kid who always has a smile on his face... not the way you look at the leader of a 53 man roster.

Daddyneedsnack · October 30

1 minute ago, coltsblue1844 said:

But it seems the way everyone adores him is almost in the same way you'd adore the neighborhood kid who always has a smile on his face... not the way you look at the leader of a 53 man roster.

I completely agree with you my man. There’s a difference between being well liked, fun, exciting and being a leader of grown men in professional sports.

Lifetime Colt · October 30

AR just has not shown the progress that the organization wanted to see. He was not "ghosted" sitting for 2 games with an Oblique, that a serious issue on the same side as the repaired shoulder, it was the proper move. IMO he lacks, at this point, the understanding that the NFL is more than a skills highlight competition, its a results, with skills competition. The best that have ever played the game throw catchable balls, not 100mph fastballs. From all the analysis game film I have seen, his decision making needs improvement, there are many missed opportunities that he, as a very young athlete, passes up, to go for the improbable. I do believe that if he actually studies and learns that a .300 hitter is more valuable than a .210 hitter that can hit a HR now and then is much more valuable.

Rolltide_gocolts · October 30

4 hours ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

IMO there has to be way more going on behind the scenes than what is being publicly put out there. What the Colts are telling us. And I am sure this will start to come out as days go by.

Think about it. Just in the past 5 games we now have 2 different times where AR was ghost benched and one a full on benching.   He gets hurt on a fumble and comes out. Wants back in the game. Seemed fine.   Coach says no. Seemed odd. Next week. Limited practice but does practice. Coach says no. Seemed more odd. Next week. AR practices pretty much in full all week. Coach STILL says no. You aren't playing. Even dresses for the game.   This seemed insane. I mean that simply isn't done.

Then this week, after a game that accuracy wise I thought was way better than what was shown in the past few games.....he gets benched?   This can't all be from his actual physical play, which the Colts said they were going to give him plenty of time to improve on. And while it hasn't been great passing wise, it is not as bad as it looks and he makes up for it with his running. And he still makes some passes, like the one to AM on Sunday where he didn't get 2 feet in bounds, that are out of this world.

To me, this screams that mentally, work ethic wise, and personality wise, the Colts think AR is not living up to what it takes to be an NFL qb.

Examples......

The bad INT before half. Just a stupid boneheaded play.

Not running out of bounds near the end of the game. Just a stupid bone headed play.

Not getting off a hail mary at the end of the game. You gotta throw that ball.

His smiling after tapping out and explaining it as being 'tired' later. That screams a lack of commitment to fitness.   I often yell at SS for not running a hurry up offense, but maybe he doesn't because AR simply can't do it for any length of time. He gets too exhausted.

His "one of one" and "I am a great passer and best runner" comments. All after a loss. Who does that????

His comments about not really wanting to slide to protect himself.

His inability it seems to withstand pain.

His seemingly inability to improve on any fundamentals to become a better passer. Does he just not listen to coaching?

And those are things we can just see and hear. What is going on in the locker room and practice behind closed doors?

One thing I noticed from him was last year and this year, when he was hurt, he was rarely ever standing next to the coach listening to the play calls. He had a great learning experience right there for him, and I never saw him standing next to SS learning. When he plays, he rarely if ever seems to go to the bench after a 3 and out or a turnover and looks at the video or pics of the most recent plays. Finding out how to improve. He always tends to just sit on the bench with a glum look on his face.   I have also heard, I believe from Kevin Bowen, that he doesn't take the film room all that seriously and he tends to keep a group of his posse like friends from Miami around him in and out of the locker room.   Those are all distractions.

These are all things that other players and coaches notice and make them go "hmmmm, this guy does not seem serious about being an NFL QB".    And if they feel that? He cannot lead a team.

This is where I think we are piling on him cause he’s an easy target right now…… they rushed 2 players… 2!!!!!… there should have been no pressure there…. Let’s realize how bad the oline play was all game including the last play

Indeee · October 30

I think most of you are really over thinking this.

Doesn't matter whether you think he wasn't given enough time, or that he was coached poorly, or he needs to mature, or that apples cost more than BMWs... All of the reasons are always going to be absurd just like the last one I gave about apples.

HE. IS. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH.

Let's Move On.

IndyD4U · October 30

He’s a kid. He needs to grow and mature. I think the Colts are protecting Anthony from Anthony. He’s just so young. That’s my theory anyways.

crazycolt1 · October 30

There is always something going on behind the scenes. That is business as usual. Ultimately, Ballard is the GM and gets the blame for everything. It's easy to dwell on the negative and ignore the positive things that Ballard has done. He by far is better than most GMs in the NFL. The grass is greener till you end up waist deep in weeds.

crazycolt1 · October 30

46 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

He’s a kid. He needs to grow and mature. I think the Colts are protecting Anthony from Anthony. He’s just so young. That’s my theory anyways.

I truly hope you are correct. That is something none of us can be too sure of. NFL and it's history is full of QBs that were written off and ended up being great.

Personally I believe AR has the physical talent but till he can show he has the mental talent, we are in limbo.

ColtAndOrioles · October 31

29 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

There is always something going on behind the scenes. That is business as usual. Ultimately, Ballard is the GM and gets the blame for everything. It's easy to dwell on the negative and ignore the positive things that Ballard has done. He by far is better than most GMs in the NFL. The grass is greener till you end up waist deep in weeds.

Can you please explain to me how and why Ballard is "better than most GMs in the NFL"?

Record?

Division titles?

Playoff wins?

Great draft record?

Great FA signings?

Lack of drama?

Hope for the future?

Please expound on that....

ColtAndOrioles · October 31

37 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I truly hope you are correct. That is something none of us can be too sure of. NFL and it's history is full of QBs that were written off and ended up being great.

Personally I believe AR has the physical talent but till he can show he has the mental talent, we are in limbo.

If you look at people across the USA, and the world really, what % of people do you meet where you say to yourself "this person really has it together. Articulate. Smart. Hard worker. Mature. Moral. Good looking (in all ways-not just physically). Should be very successful in life".

I am going to say maybe 5 to 10%? If that? Let's face it most people have all kinds of faults. Myself included. Then put all of those other parameters included with being physically gifted enough to play a professional sport. Which is maybeeeeeee less than 1% of the world population?

When you look at it that way? It really makes sense as to why so many athletes fail. The odds and the %'s say it won't happen. Sure....AR could have probably been a really good TE or linebacker due to his physical attributes. It didn't involve leading others and being a leader. But it takes a special person to be a really good NFL QB. A truly good one.

I personally think AR is very talented and could be an excellent NFL QB. I still think that even today. IF, big IF, he gets his act together mentally. And in that aspect I am doubtful from what I have seen so far. But I hope he does.

ColtAndOrioles · October 31

1 hour ago, Rolltide_gocolts said:

This is where I think we are piling on him cause he’s an easy target right now…… they rushed 2 players… 2!!!!!… there should have been no pressure there…. Let’s realize how bad the oline play was all game including the last play

Did you see how calm and collected Daniels was in his Hail Mary pass Sunday? He was rushed. By 3 and a half guys. The difference is he knew how to stay calm and to get out of harms way.

For AR to not get a pass off with 2 rushers? To me it again screams how immature and how little he knows about playing QB in the NFL. You simply need to get that pass off, as little of a chance as there was of being completed, just to give you a chance. Anything can happen. As Daniels showed. AR failed. As he did with the late first half INT and the fail to run out of bounds end of game. Just all brain dead errors.

Watch Daniels run. Getting the yards and not getting hit. Watch how he sits in the pocket and delivers the ball on time. Watch how he manages being an NFL Qb.

Night and day compared to AR. And I say that as someone who thinks AR actually has more physical ability. Mental? Not so much. At least right now.

Rolltide_gocolts · October 31

16 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

Did you see how calm and collected Daniels was in his Hail Mary pass Sunday? He was rushed. By 3 and a half guys. The difference is he knew how to stay calm and to get out of harms way.

For AR to not get a pass off with 2 rushers? To me it again screams how immature and how little he knows about playing QB in the NFL. You simply need to get that pass off, as little of a chance as there was of being completed, just to give you a chance. Anything can happen. As Daniels showed. AR failed. As he did with the late first half INT and the fail to run out of bounds end of game. Just all brain dead errors.

Watch Daniels run. Getting the yards and not getting hit. Watch how he sits in the pocket and delivers the ball on time. Watch how he manages being an NFL Qb.

Night and day compared to AR. And I say that as someone who thinks AR actually has more physical ability. Mental? Not so much. At least right now.

I’m not arguing that Daniel’s has been a better QB…. I’m saying there’s no way with 2 rushers against 5 lineman he should’ve been under that much pressure… Daniel’s had time to move around.. AR made one adjustment and had a guy on his tail… and a bunch of white jerseys in front of him

csmopar · October 31

5 minutes ago, Rolltide_gocolts said:

I’m not arguing that Daniel’s has been a better QB…. I’m saying there’s no way with 2 rushers against 5 lineman he should’ve been under that much pressure… Daniel’s had time to move around.. AR made one adjustment and had a guy on his tail… and a bunch of white jerseys in front of him

The OL was sending AR a message…

crazycolt1 · October 31

38 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

Can you please explain to me how and why Ballard is "better than most GMs in the NFL"?

Record?

Division titles?

Playoff wins?

Great draft record?

Great FA signings?

Lack of drama?

Hope for the future?

Please expound on that....

Even though the Colts are going through some struggles right now all you have to look around the league. We are still in the thick of things while there are teams that have already packed up for vacation.

JediXMan · October 31

I do agree he needs to mature and stop those fake injury plays where he's laying down for a long time. I don't think he realizes how that stresses his OL thinking he got hurt. Also there was this one play he rushed for a first down got up slow only to do the first down sign. Braden Smith looked a bit upset as he thought he was hurt.

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