2024 NFL Draft Thread Day 1 (Final Discussions, Predictions, Rumors, etc…). ****NO SPOILERS****

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Yoshinator said:

Rattler is possible for them if he falls to the 3rd round. They are in a pretty terrible spot though. 

The Rattler 

[Defjamz26]

Also since trading up or down in the 1st has been discussed, I’m going to put some potential trade partners for us, and some who don’t make sense

 

Dont Make Sense:

-Miami Dolphins: Only have 6 picks in the draft (1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 6th, and 7th rounders)

- Cowboys : Only 7 picks

 

 

Potential Partners: 

-LA Rams: Have 11 picks (trade down partner)

-Pittsburgh: Has two 3rd round picks (trade down partner)

-Eagles: Have two 2nd round picks (trade down partner)

-Cardinals: Have 11 total picks (could be a partner for trade up as well as down)

-Packers: Have 11 picks (trade down partner

-Bills: Have 10 draft picks

[w87r]

5 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

The writer of an article in The Falcoholic believes the punishment will come next year, not this year. He thinks it is too late to render punishment that will affect this year's draft. However, he thought the punishment would be stiff.

Yep,

 

Ran out of time

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-says-it-wont-conclude-falcons-eagles-tampering-investigations-this-week

[NFLfan]

Excellent article on the Athletic

 

https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/22/nfl-draft-nil-money-impact?source=user-shared-article

 

NIL money has changed the draft. This year a much smaller number of underclassmen declared for the draft. Many players who could have made the draft stronger stayed in school because they get paid in college. Also, many believe that because many underclassmen stayed in school, only about 150 to 170 are draftable (have the talent to be drafted). Some getting drafted this year would have been undrafted in earlier years.

 

It should be a fun draft anyway.

[NFLfan]

8 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

If Nabers drops…

 

Penix is dropping a lot. I wonder where he goes. 3rd round?

 

I hope Nabers drops to the Giants. It would be nice to see him in the NorthEast.

[w87r]

Can't lie, these look pretty good 

 

 

 

 

[Defjamz26]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

Excellent article on the Athletic

 

https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/22/nfl-draft-nil-money-impact?source=user-shared-article

 

NIL money has changed the draft. This year a much smaller number of underclassmen declared for the draft. Many players who could have made the draft stronger stayed in school because they get paid in college. Also, many believe that because many underclassmen stayed in school, only about 150 to 170 are draftable (have the talent to be drafted). Some getting drafted this year would have been undrafted in earlier years.

 

It should be a fun draft anyway.

Thats what Jim Nagy from the Senior Bowl said. NIL has basically wiped out day 3 of the draft. UDFA guys are going to get drafted in rounds 5-6.

 

[RollerColt]

1 hour ago, w87r said:

Can't lie, these look pretty good 

 

 

 

 

I actually kind of don’t like them. Too Atlanta Falcon looking to me…

[w87r]

5 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I actually kind of don’t like them. To Atlanta Falcon looking to me…

I was really referring to the other 2 helmets.

 

Jerseys are just pretty standard looking.

[RollerColt]

11 minutes ago, w87r said:

I was really referring to the other 2 helmets.

 

Jerseys are just pretty standard looking.

Ah gotcha, yeah the helmets are decent. 

[Archer]

39 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Thats what Jim Nagy from the Senior Bowl said. NIL has basically wiped out day 3 of the draft. UDFA guys are going to get drafted in rounds 5-6.

 

Yep, he should be in “striking distance”.  

[Defjamz26]

Here’s my thought on the players and possibilities with the 15th pick:

 

If the following players are available, we stick and pick at 15 or maybe trade 3-5 spots up:

-Brock Bowers

-Quinyon Mitchell

-Dallas Turner

 

If the above are gone, we trade down and take one of the following:

-Brian Thomas, Jr.

-Cooper DeJean

-Xavier Worthy

-Jared Verse/Laitu Latu

 

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Yep, he should be in “striking distance”.  

Striking distance is 3-5 picks IMO and the compensation has to be future draft capital I would think. I wonder if it is really Quinyon, who is it that they feel they need to get ahead of?

 

[NFLfan]

7 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Here’s my thought on the players and possibilities with the 15th pick:

 

If the following players are available, we stick and pick at 15 or maybe trade 3-5 spots up:

-Brock Bowers

-Quinyon Mitchell

-Dallas Turner

 

If the above are gone, we trade down and take one of the following:

-Brian Thomas, Jr.

-Cooper DeJean

-Xavier Worthy

-Jared Verse/Laitu Latu

 

Striking distance is 3-5 picks IMO and the compensation has to be future draft capital I would think. I wonder if it is really Quinyon, who is it that they feel they need to get ahead of?

 

 

Who is your favorite player that you would like the Colts to draft?

[NFLfan]

Are there players that you feel are getting too much hype?

 

Who are your sleepers?

 

@Defjamz26@w87r .   @stitches  @John Hammonds  Anyone else...

[NFLfan]

@Restinpeacesweetchloe What are you hearing about the draft that we may be intrigued by?

[OhioColt]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Yep, he should be in “striking distance”.  

With the NFL postponing Atlanta's potential draft picks deferred to next year this might very well be a blessing for the Colts tbh and offer them something in return for trading up with them knowing full well they are looking to forfeit pick(s).  If not, the Colts look for another team to make the offer with Atlanta to move up.  That's my projection.  A Colts trade up should keep us in consideration for a top CB or even TE Bowers imo. 

[OhioColt]

A trade with Tennessee is out of the question.  No need to be too aggressive swapping with the Giants.  Clearly want to draft ahead of the Bears (P9) and the Jets (P10). 

[Defjamz26]

6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Who is your favorite player that you would like the Colts to draft?

Out of the list? Quinyon but Bowers is a close 2nd. 

 

17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Are there players that you feel are getting too much hype?

 

Who are your sleepers?

 

@Defjamz26@w87r .   @stitches  @John Hammonds  Anyone else...

Too much hype:

-Chop Robinson: All I see is an athlete

-Marvin Harrison Jr: There’s nothing he does that Nabers or Odunze can’t do. He’s good but people make it seem like he’s in his own tier. Nabers is my WR1

-Dallas Turner: Although I listed him early as a potential Colts pick, that’s just what I think Ballard would like. Personally I don’t think he’s Will Anderson. To me he’s closer to Nolan Smitj

 

Im going to put my sleepers in a separate post lol. I have a “few”

[stitches]

13 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Are there players that you feel are getting too much hype?

 

Who are your sleepers?

 

@Defjamz26@w87r .   @stitches  @John Hammonds  Anyone else...

Too much hype... hm... I'm not sure about too much hype but I think a lot of people are glossing over the pressure-to-sack thing about Jayden Daniels. He's Will Levis levels bad at it. I think Dallas Turner is overrated if we are talking about him going top 10(no. 8 to Atlanta)... 

 

No idea what the situation with Latu's medicals is... but I can't believe he's not a consensus top EDGE in this draft. He's so damn good technically...

 

My personal sleeper I think is Malik Washington, WR, Virginia. I think he's massively underrated. IMO he has day 2 talent and you rarely if ever hear about him. Who else... I haven't really gone too deep into this draft to have deep sleepers. I like someone like Jalyx Hunt at EDGE... I like Pearsall at WR, but people are projecting him at R2 so... not too underrated. 

[Defjamz26]

DJ’s mock had him as the first defensive player off the board. Murphy at 9 would do wonder for us. Maybe Odunze falls.

[OhioColt]

1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:

Out of the list? Quinyon but Bowers is a close 2nd. 

Based on immediate needs and BPA totally agree.  Top CB Quinyon followed by TE Bowers.  I know our TE room is crowded but MAC really feel this is his last year with the Club.  Any given game we've seen a breakout game from one of the other tight ends we have.  Bowers would be an immediate upgrade a long-term fixture.  Since we haven't addressed the lack of DB depth this offseason, Quinyon is also a high priority need for our Club and should be versatile enough if we do change DC next season to match next defensive scheme.  

[NFLfan]

3 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

DJ’s mock had him as the first defensive player off the board. Murphy at 9 would do wonder for us. Maybe Odunze falls.

 

I thought Odunze may drop to the Giants. My friend who is a Giants season-ticket holder said he believes the Giants are drafting WR in the first round. I think it may be Odunze if not one of the other two (Nabers and Harrison).

[OhioColt]

5 minutes ago, stitches said:

My personal sleeper I think is Malik Washington, WR, Virginia. I think he's massively underrated. IMO he has day 2 talent and you rarely if ever hear about him. 

Washington had a break-out year for sure and was his best decision of his collegiate career to transfer and obviously paid dividends.  Washington said it before but looks like Josh Downs 2.0 and project to be drafted very similar in Round 3.  Between wide receivers and defensive backs, we could use another strong Downs clone in the slot.  With Downs that is the only biggest knock about drafting TE Bowers as he commands a lot of passes in the slot and would take away an already important role the Downs already excels in doing. 

[Defjamz26]

10 minutes ago, OhioColt said:

Based on immediate needs and BPA totally agree.  Top CB Quinyon followed by TE Bowers.  I know our TE room is crowded but MAC really feel this is his last year with the Club.  Any given game we've seen a breakout game from one of the other tight ends we have.  Bowers would be an immediate upgrade a long-term fixture.  Since we haven't addressed the lack of DB depth this offseason, Quinyon is also a high priority need for our Club and should be versatile enough if we do change DC next season to match next defensive scheme.  

I said it earlier but If you take Bowers, you re-work your TE room. Someone has to go. For me it would be Granson since he was drafted to be the mismatch TE, that’s what Bowers would be. Keep MAC for the blocking. I’d also put Ogletree or Mallory on the PS. Also wouldn’t mind drafting Tip Reiman late in round 5-6 to be the blocking TE with Bowers. He’s athletic enough to play STs too.

 

So again, if it’s Bowers, someone has to go. 5 TEs is too much anyways.

[VikingsFanInChennai]

17 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Spencer Rattler better than Michael Penix Jr and Nix. Wow! That has to be one of the most ridiculous takes I have ever heard. To be honest I have never heard of that Tice guy either. McCarthy will be the biggest bust in this draft and I feel confident in saying so. McCarthy = Mac Jones. Washington went as Penix went, he had to carry Washington all season with an above average O.Line and average running game. He had Rome and that was about it. McCarthy had the best O.Line in the country and arguably the best running game as well. He was a game manager and could win as long as he didn't turn it over. Michigan beat Washington because they ran for nearly 300 yards. Tommie Frazier would have won it all with that type of offense and he wasn't even drafted.

 

Regarding Kirk Cousins, at least you don't have him to pile on anymore. You will see how life without Kirk is, the Vikings will be lucky to win 7 games and I like the Vikings as a team. My father would be so disappointed in the Vikings FO right now and their fans at the way Kirk was treated. He was still alive in 2018 when the Vikings got Kirk and he loved the move. He was the biggest fan I ever knew. He loved them when they got Fran in the 70's and was a fan until he passed away in 2019. His favorite player was Peterson in this era. He said he would take him over any RB that ever played except maybe Barry Sanders. 

 

Kirk Cousins career with the Vikings: 2018-2023

*50-37-1 Record. A playoff win at New Orleans Saints in 2019, beating Brees.

 

*4 seasons with over 4000 yards

 

*3 seasons with over 30 TD's

 

*7.8 Y/A

 

*68% Completion

I know, they should draft Penix.

@2006Coltsbestever @NFLfan

 

Kirk has been treated much better and with much more respect than Wentz was treated in Indy. And was showed with Love and truckloads of money in Minnesota, and was defended constantly with much more ferocity by Vikings fans than people defending Ballard in Grievances thread. 

 

it'd be crazy to think of injustice against Kirk for a few minority who criticize his play. 

 

We're Going back and forth on Kirk debate which will go on for eternity, but I struck Gold when I saw recently @Superman explaining how he felt watching Wentz playing with other teams before he got to Indy and how it felt watching him play for Colts when you're emotionally invested with the franchise. 

 

There's no other way to perfectly describe Kirk Cousins' career and his QB play.

 

For every fan around the NFL, especially for fantasy football fans, Kirk will be a hero and am above average QB. But, when you're emotionally invested in your favourite franchise and Kirk plays QB for your team, you would come close to understanding how excruciatingly frustrating his play and smartness and game awareness are (or shortage of them are), that all contributes to team missing playoffs many years and even when they qualify, no one sees Kirk as a threat in playoffs. Ever. Your team would be paying Elite QB Money for that, and you'd be constantly in debate with criticizers Vs defenders. Until he plays for your team, you won't realize that, and I totally understand. 

 

Anyway, happy to pass on that frustration over to Falcons fans, they'd know soon. First of all, Kirk takes at least a season or two to trust his OL, even if you put an elite line and weapons around him, and it's all in his head. I'm going to sit back and read Falcons forums for Fun in 2024 Season! Good Times! 

[John Hammonds]

7 hours ago, NFLfan said:

Are there players that you feel are getting too much hype?

 

Who are your sleepers?

 

@Defjamz26@w87r .   @stitches  @John Hammonds  Anyone else...

Overhyped

Cooper DeJean may be getting too much hype.  He's a multi-position player, which means he may not be "great" at any single position.  And he's coming off of a pretty bad injury, and we don't truly know if his post-injury performance is going to equal what it was before.

Xavier Worthy made a splash by setting a record 40-time at the combine.  He's still extremely light.  He has a high drop rate.  His pro comp is Darnell Mooney, who the Bears took in the 5th round, had one 1,000 yard season, and was eventually signed by the Falcons.

Sleepers

Julian Pearl is an OT from Illinois.  Former defensive end who has athleticism and length, with a huge wingspan.  2-time all Big Ten honorable mention.

JD Bertrand, LB, Notre Dame.  One of my favorite players in the draft.  A little undersized, with a small catch radius, but makes splash plays.  3-year starter, 2-year team captain, 2-year team leader in tackles.

[VikingsFanInChennai]

12 hours ago, NFLfan said:

Excellent article on the Athletic

 

https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/22/nfl-draft-nil-money-impact?source=user-shared-article

 

NIL money has changed the draft. This year a much smaller number of underclassmen declared for the draft. Many players who could have made the draft stronger stayed in school because they get paid in college. Also, many believe that because many underclassmen stayed in school, only about 150 to 170 are draftable (have the talent to be drafted). Some getting drafted this year would have been undrafted in earlier years.

 

It should be a fun draft anyway.

It evens out... If they stay in college, they get more experience and come to NFL as much more nuanced players, it might help the NFL in long term.

 

It's only in this Draft or a couple more that we'd see the effect of underclassman players staying in college more, but in long term if that continues to be the trend, that gets evened out, and the advantage is more college players playing for more years overall, and that should only help NFL teams, scouts and GMs. 

[Defjamz26]

He was also a team captain too. Makes him a great fit.

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

@2006Coltsbestever @NFLfan

 

Kirk has been treated much better and with much more respect than Wentz was treated in Indy. And was showed with Love and truckloads of money in Minnesota, and was defended constantly with much more ferocity by Vikings fans than people defending Ballard in Grievances thread. 

 

it'd be crazy to think of injustice against Kirk for a few minority who criticize his play. 

 

We're Going back and forth on Kirk debate which will go on for eternity, but I struck Gold when I saw recently @Superman explaining how he felt watching Wentz playing with other teams before he got to Indy and how it felt watching him play for Colts when you're emotionally invested with the franchise. 

 

There's no other way to perfectly describe Kirk Cousins' career and his QB play.

 

For every fan around the NFL, especially for fantasy football fans, Kirk will be a hero and am above average QB. But, when you're emotionally invested in your favourite franchise and Kirk plays QB for your team, you would come close to understanding how excruciatingly frustrating his play and smartness and game awareness are (or shortage of them are), that all contributes to team missing playoffs many years and even when they qualify, no one sees Kirk as a threat in playoffs. Ever. Your team would be paying Elite QB Money for that, and you'd be constantly in debate with criticizers Vs defenders. Until he plays for your team, you won't realize that, and I totally understand. 

 

Anyway, happy to pass on that frustration over to Falcons fans, they'd know soon. First of all, Kirk takes at least a season or two to trust his OL, even if you put an elite line and weapons around him, and it's all in his head. I'm going to sit back and read Falcons forums for Fun in 2024 Season! Good Times! 

Carson Wentz could not carry Kirk Cousins jock strap. It isn't even close between the 2 career wise, look it up. Cousins is much better than Wentz and is still a good QB today. Had we had Cousins in 2021 instead of Wentz, we would have won 11 games and won a playoff game at worse. I have never said Cousins is great, but he is good and with the right team can win a lot of games. I blame the Vikings FO for never having a good defense when Cousins was there. 

 

I have read on other sites that a lot of your fanbase wants JJ McCarthy. JJ freakin McCarthy, really . There is not 1 thing he does better than Michael Penix Jr.. His TEAM beat Penix. 

[Defjamz26]

My Sleepers:

 

-Malik Mustapha, Safety Texas Tech

-Mason McCormick, OG South Dakota State

-Elijah Jones, CB Boston College

-Cedric Gray, LB North Carolina 

-Isaiah Davis, RB South Dakota State

-Nehemiah Pritchett, CB Auburn

-Kam Kinchens, Safety Miami

-Jaden Hicks, Safety Washington State

[VikingsFanInChennai]

25 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Carson Wentz could not carry Kirk Cousins jock strap. It isn't even close between the 2 career wise, look it up. Cousins is much better than Wentz and is still a good QB today. 

32 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

. Had we had Cousins in 2021 instead of Wentz, we would have won 11 games and won a playoff game at worse. I have never said Cousins is great, but he is good and with the right team can win a lot of games. I blame the Vikings FO for never having a good defense when Cousins was there. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, Wentz can't come ever close to Kirk's abilities but that's not my point.

 

You need to re-read what I said, the best way to explain Cousins' issues is to be a fan of his team and experience his play when you're emotionally invested in the franchise's success.

 

That doesn't mean they are comparable.

 

Being much better than Wentz means no big endorsement either. 

 

As for the excuses you made for Cousins, I look forward to hearing all the similar excuses from Falcons forums! Gonna be Awesome for a change after past half-decade!

 

I'll say one thing - Colts fans can't handle 1 year of Wentz, including the owner. And half year of Ryan, including the owner. Vikings had shown better patience with Cousins in 6 years, when his first two years ended like Wentz' year with Colts, except for the difference of lot of fantasy stats and highlight reels. You'd again point to how Cousins is so much better than Wentz, and it will be a circular argument - which is why I tried to explain what Superman felt and how it reflects being a fan of Cousins' team. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

13 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Yes, Wentz can't come ever close to Kirk's abilities but that's not my point.

 

You need to re-read what I said, the best way to explain Cousins' issues is to be a fan of his team and experience his play when you're emotionally invested in the franchise's success.

 

That doesn't mean they are comparable.

 

Being much better than Wentz means no big endorsement either. 

 

As for the excuses you made for Cousins, I look forward to hearing all the similar excuses from Falcons forums! Gonna be Awesome for a change after past half-decade!

 

I'll say one thing - Colts fans can't handle 1 year of Wentz, including the owner. And half year of Ryan, including the owner. Vikings had shown better patience with Cousins in 6 years, when his first two years ended like Wentz' year with Colts, except for the difference of lot of fantasy stats and highlight reels. You'd again point to how Cousins is so much better than Wentz, and it will be a circular argument - which is why I tried to explain what Superman felt and how it reflects being a fan of Cousins' team. 

Your fanbase had a little more patience with Cousins because he is good, like I told @NFLfan, wait and see how life without Kirk is. Good luck next season because to be honest they will finish 3rd in their division at best without Kirk. You need good QB play to beat teams like the Lions and Packers. You guys hopefully will take Penix or Nix and not JJ Jones. I like the Vikings and my father was a Vikings fan from 1973-2019 to the day he passed way. So I have spent a lot time invested in the franchise. I can tell you everything about the Vikings regarding what SBs they have went too with Bud Grant, their 1998 team with Moss and Carter, etc..

[VikingsFanInChennai]

36 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Your fanbase had a little more patience with Cousins because he is good, like I told @NFLfan, wait and see how life without Kirk is. Good luck next season because to be honest they will finish 3rd in their division at best without Kirk. You need good QB play to beat teams like the Lions and Packers. You guys hopefully will take Penix or Nix and not JJ Jones. I like the Vikings and my father was a Vikings fan from 1973-2019 to the day he passed way. So I have spent a lot time invested in the franchise. I can tell you everything about the Vikings regarding what SBs they have went too with Bud Grant, their 1998 team with Moss and Carter, etc..

You speak as if we don't understand how life without Kirk will be. And, you had no clue how it was with Kirk either, which you don't seem to understand even after pointing out (now for 3rd time). You also speak as if Kirk has Vikings at the top of the division, lol

 

The best part of life without Kirk is it will be a step towards getting a permanent franchise QB, because (a) Kirk is not that (b) no use in waiting for a 36-year old to become franchise QB. We'd rather have Darnold and pick closer to top 10 or better rather than paying 40+ million for a finish in draft range of 14 - 25. 

 

When you say Vikings had more patience because he was good, you overlook the amount of money he was milking while being slightly above average. Whatever worth Kirk was being better than Wentz, he got paid very well for that too, so that only adds to more frustration about finding a franchise QB. 

 

If you pay 40+ million for a QB for average results year after year for 6 years, you'd feel the frustration but at this point you're not able to look from others' perspective so no point in discussing further. 

[Superman]

6 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Anyway, happy to pass on that frustration over to Falcons fans, they'd know soon. First of all, Kirk takes at least a season or two to trust his OL, even if you put an elite line and weapons around him, and it's all in his head. I'm going to sit back and read Falcons forums for Fun in 2024 Season! Good Times! 

 

And he's coming back from an achilles... 

[Defjamz26]

Something Holder said in the Locked on Colts podcast was that he wasn’t positive Ballard is going to trade back a bunch. His reasoning was that when you look at the roster and everyone who was brought back, how many positions are up for grabs? Your entire starting OL is back although Kelly and Fries are FAs next year, that can be addressed later in the draft. Your starting IDL have been extended too and you have depth there. The secondary and TE is really the only position group that has open spots because there aren’t proven players.

 
So would it even make sense to trade down and make 10 draft picks, and maybe 7 make the final 53, and even less than that become long term contributors. It’s not something I thought about before, but it does make sense.

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:

Something Holder said in the Locked on Colts podcast was that he wasn’t positive Ballard is going to trade back a bunch. His reasoning was that when you look at the roster and everyone who was brought back, how many positions are up for grabs? Your entire starting OL is back although Kelly and Fries are FAs next year, that can be addressed later in the draft. Your starting IDL have been extended too and you have depth there. The secondary and TE is really the only position group that has open spots because there aren’t proven players.

 
So would it even make sense to trade down and make 10 draft picks, and maybe 7 make the final 53, and even less than that become long term contributors. It’s not something I thought about before, but it does make sense.

It makes sense to trade down for the same reasons. Two positions on OL, and two positions on DL might leave next year and even if not, will be open in couple of years and some of the re-signings will be gone in 3 years if not sooner. That assumes all the re-signing will be success but not all of them might perform at high level, especially at CB and S.

 

If the strategy is to draft and re-sign, then you will need to continuously draft a lot of players in all positions because not much is coming from free agency. You've got to make lot of draft picks, and not all of the drafted players are gonna work out. That's the very reason for multiplying the draft picks and plunging on much larger pool of talents in second and third rounds of the Draft.

 

Holder's logic only works out if all of re-signing and drafting are going to be success, and the "proven" players aren't close to elite except for some on DL and OL, RB and WR, and NCB. 

[Defjamz26]

4 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

If the strategy is to draft and re-sign, then you will need to continuously draft a lot of players in all positions because not much is coming from free agency. You've got to make lot of draft picks, and not all of the drafted players are gonna work out.

That is the strategy, but when you have most of your starters on 2nd-3rd contacts and have depth behind them, how many picks do you really need? You can only put 53 on the final roster. If you have 10 picks, you’re lucky if 6 make the final roster. 

[NFLfan]

13 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

He was also a team captain too. Makes him a great fit.

 

I selected him in the live Mock draft on the Vikings site for the Titans.

[NFLfan]

11 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

You speak as if we don't understand how life without Kirk will be. And, you had no clue how it was with Kirk either, which you don't seem to understand even after pointing out (now for 3rd time). You also speak as if Kirk has Vikings at the top of the division, lol

 

The best part of life without Kirk is it will be a step towards getting a permanent franchise QB, because (a) Kirk is not that (b) no use in waiting for a 36-year old to become franchise QB. We'd rather have Darnold and pick closer to top 10 or better rather than paying 40+ million for a finish in draft range of 14 - 25. 

 

When you say Vikings had more patience because he was good, you overlook the amount of money he was milking while being slightly above average. Whatever worth Kirk was being better than Wentz, he got paid very well for that too, so that only adds to more frustration about finding a franchise QB. 

 

If you pay 40+ million for a QB for average results year after year for 6 years, you'd feel the frustration but at this point you're not able to look from others' perspective so no point in discussing further. 

 

That is not a popular opinion here. Some love Kirk as if he did so much for us. Keenum won 13 regular season games for the Vikings in 2017 with a tiny fraction of what Kirk was paid.

 

Anyway, let's keep this to draft related stuff.

 

Who are your sleepers in this draft? Who do you think will be the QB of the future for the Vikes? I'm really nervous about this draft. 😂

[2006Coltsbestever]

13 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

You speak as if we don't understand how life without Kirk will be. And, you had no clue how it was with Kirk either, which you don't seem to understand even after pointing out (now for 3rd time). You also speak as if Kirk has Vikings at the top of the division, lol

 

The best part of life without Kirk is it will be a step towards getting a permanent franchise QB, because (a) Kirk is not that (b) no use in waiting for a 36-year old to become franchise QB. We'd rather have Darnold and pick closer to top 10 or better rather than paying 40+ million for a finish in draft range of 14 - 25. 

 

When you say Vikings had more patience because he was good, you overlook the amount of money he was milking while being slightly above average. Whatever worth Kirk was being better than Wentz, he got paid very well for that too, so that only adds to more frustration about finding a franchise QB. 

 

If you pay 40+ million for a QB for average results year after year for 6 years, you'd feel the frustration but at this point you're not able to look from others' perspective so no point in discussing further. 

Kirk did have the Vikings at the top of the division in the 2022 season at 13-4. He was injured last year. Oh well have fun with your new QB. 

 

You act like I don't know Vikings football, comical because I like the team and follow them a lot. You and @NFLfansay Kirk doesn't know situational football. In 2022 he was the best situational QB in the league. Vikings were 11-0 in games decided by 3 points or less. It is because Kirk handled most situations right. You don't go 11-0 in games 3 points or less and not be a smart QB.