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The Colts record under Ballard pretty much consists of two options with high draft choices.  Trade back and pick a guy no one expected, or stay out and pick a guy no one expected. With an outlier here or there...

 

I think the draft will fall, Young/Stroud in the first two either order, then  AZ takes Anderson, and Ballard drafts .... Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech....  With bothe Richardson and Levis in the board.  

 

A lot of people will freak out, per usual...  I think Ballard comes off as a self-preservationist by avoiding tying himself to a young prospect at QB, but I really believe he won't draft one unless he lucks into a situation where it's a high pick AND an exceptional QB... He's never been around a team that had stellar QBs... Not in Chicago, not in KC.... (That's where the retread idea genesis lies, Alex Smith prior to Ballard leaving) and certainly not on any college teams he played on in Wisconsin....

 

He thoroughly believes you only get a franchise QB if he falls in your lap.  If you try to force one, you get fired.... Thus, he won't...  And Tyree is by far no mere consolation prize, he could end up the best DE in the draft.  Hey, we haven't brought back Yannick, and someone has to rush the QB....

 

Expect to hear a lot of board falling this way talk, and ecstatic he was there for us....  And get ready to hopefully enjoy a great pass rush...  They might be on the field a lot until we get that franchise guy to fall in our hands....

 

 

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20 hours ago, Jackie Daytona said:

The Colts record under Ballard pretty much consists of two options with high draft choices.  Trade back and pick a guy no one expected, or stay out and pick a guy no one expected. With an outlier here or there...

 

I think the draft will fall, Young/Stroud in the first two either order, then  AZ takes Anderson, and Ballard drafts .... Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech....  With bothe Richardson and Levis in the board.  

 

A lot of people will freak out, per usual...  I think Ballard comes off as a self-preservationist by avoiding tying himself to a young prospect at QB, but I really believe he won't draft one unless he lucks into a situation where it's a high pick AND an exceptional QB... He's never been around a team that had stellar QBs... Not in Chicago, not in KC.... (That's where the retread idea genesis lies, Alex Smith prior to Ballard leaving) and certainly not on any college teams he played on in Wisconsin....

 

He thoroughly believes you only get a franchise QB if he falls in your lap.  If you try to force one, you get fired.... Thus, he won't...  And Tyree is by far no mere consolation prize, he could end up the best DE in the draft.  Hey, we haven't brought back Yannick, and someone has to rush the QB....

 

Expect to hear a lot of board falling this way talk, and ecstatic he was there for us....  And get ready to hopefully enjoy a great pass rush...  They might be on the field a lot until we get that franchise guy to fall in our hands....

 

 


I think this is possible.  
 

I think it’s possible that Wilson is Arizona’s fallback target if the Cardinals decide to trade back a little.    Maybe.   
 

I think Wilson might be a late draft riser like Trevon Walker was a year ago.    Everyone thought the Jags would draft Hutchinson.   And they ended up taking Walker.  The Jags think he has a higher long-term ceiling than Hutchinson.   And maybe they’re right?   But Hutch had the better rookie year, so we’ll see.  
 

But it’s possible the Colts could fall in love with Wilson, though I have not read anywhere that the Colts have met with him or even plan to?   
 

And even if the Colts take Wilson at 4, there still has to be a plan in place to take a QB.   That’s the unknown X factor. 

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The Colts not being linked to him is what got me spooked about Wilson at 4.... would be an on theme thing for the team, no mention really of a guy......then boom.....he's a Colt.  eek.....  the other half of the equation scares me as well.  What is the QB plan in this event?  I truly hope Ballard isn't actually steering clear of a rookie QB because he hasn't had a perfect prospect fall in his lap... it'll take years for that to happen if ever, but maybe he really DOES see the drafting a QB as starting the proverbial "clock" on a GM's Tenure.... he has already lasted longer than ANY other GM I can think of with like results this many years in.... I'm starting to think surviving is his thing at this point.... stay solid, build sure things as core parts of the team....(OL and DL are keys?  duh.....  no one will be mad at you continuously adding talent in those ares)  and being risk averse..... recipe for a long, prestigious, super well paying career.....   enter... TyRee Wilson, your newest High percentage Lineman lol.

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On 3/29/2023 at 9:10 AM, Jackie Daytona said:

The Colts record under Ballard pretty much consists of two options with high draft choices.  Trade back and pick a guy no one expected, or stay out and pick a guy no one expected. With an outlier here or there...

 

I think the draft will fall, Young/Stroud in the first two either order, then  AZ takes Anderson, and Ballard drafts .... Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech....  With bothe Richardson and Levis in the board.  

 

A lot of people will freak out, per usual...  I think Ballard comes off as a self-preservationist by avoiding tying himself to a young prospect at QB, but I really believe he won't draft one unless he lucks into a situation where it's a high pick AND an exceptional QB... He's never been around a team that had stellar QBs... Not in Chicago, not in KC.... (That's where the retread idea genesis lies, Alex Smith prior to Ballard leaving) and certainly not on any college teams he played on in Wisconsin....

 

He thoroughly believes you only get a franchise QB if he falls in your lap.  If you try to force one, you get fired.... Thus, he won't...  And Tyree is by far no mere consolation prize, he could end up the best DE in the draft.  Hey, we haven't brought back Yannick, and someone has to rush the QB....

 

Expect to hear a lot of board falling this way talk, and ecstatic he was there for us....  And get ready to hopefully enjoy a great pass rush...  They might be on the field a lot until we get that franchise guy to fall in our hands....

 

 

 

He should be fired if he does this ... I'll officially join the lynch mob if this happens; and Irsay should immediately turn over control of the franchise to his daughters if he allows it.  

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2 hours ago, esmort said:

 

He should be fired if he does this ... I'll officially join the lynch mob if this happens; and Irsay should immediately turn over control of the franchise to his daughters if he allows it.  

Why make unreasonable and unrealistic comments? 

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59 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Why make unreasonable and unrealistic comments? 

 

It was meant to stress a point: "that this draft should be QB or ammunition for '24 QB and anything else is just the Colts continuing to spin its wheels in mediocrity",  rather than be completely literal (which I am sure you knew, but felt like taking a pot shot).

 

Am I really going to join a lynch mob ... no, but I will go from being neutral (admittedly slightly negative leaning) on Ballard to a firm member of the fire Ballard camp. I also know that Irsay likely signed off on it. I really like Irsay and frequently defend him, but a decision like this would force me to question Irsay's decision making, and start thinking maybe he should step aside (although I doubt that would happen).

 

That being said the point behind the point is I am over the "Ballard method" and if he is so set in his ways he can't see his own flaws and adapt to the changing NFL then he needs to be replaced. And if Irsay can't see it then the Colts maybe need a new set of eyes steering the ship. Again I think both are unlikely, but doesn't change the fact that one or both of those things may be what's needed if the Colts pass on QB.

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1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

no he’s reading the room.  All the signs point to a QB taken at number 4.

 

Till the pick is made, there is nothing cut in stone.  Do we even know if we are staying at #4? There are way too many different scenarios to say one way or another.  Trade up?

Trade down?

Draft a QB?

Draft the best player in the draft with Anderson?

Put in an offer sheet for Jackson? 

We can all have our opinions but our opinions mean exactly zero.

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1 hour ago, esmort said:

 

It was meant to stress a point: "that this draft should be QB or ammunition for '24 QB and anything else is just the Colts continuing to spin its wheels in mediocrity",  rather than be completely literal (which I am sure you knew, but felt like taking a pot shot).

 

Am I really going to join a lynch mob ... no, but I will go from being neutral (admittedly slightly negative leaning) on Ballard to a firm member of the fire Ballard camp. I also know that Irsay likely signed off on it. I really like Irsay and frequently defend him, but a decision like this would force me to question Irsay's decision making, and start thinking maybe he should step aside (although I doubt that would happen).

 

That being said the point behind the point is I am over the "Ballard method" and if he is so set in his ways he can't see his own flaws and adapt to the changing NFL then he needs to be replaced. And if Irsay can't see it then the Colts maybe need a new set of eyes steering the ship. Again I think both are unlikely, but doesn't change the fact that one or both of those things may be what's needed if the Colts pass on QB.

No pot shot was taken.  That's just the way you took it.  Just think about your comment and tell me how rational it sounds. 

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14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

No pot shot was taken.  That's just the way you took it.  Just think about your comment and tell me how rational it sounds. 

 

The fact I mention a lynch mob should hint that it is not completely literal to most. Basic reading comprehension should allow you to see the point in spite of the hyperbole. But lets look at the the parts. If Ballard passes at QB and takes a DL at #4 I doubt I will be the only one going from neutral (or even positive) on Ballard to seeing him negatively, or be in the minority suggesting he deserves to be fired. I also think that many will question Irsays judgement if he allows Ballard to go this direction. Which part of this is irrational (not whether you agree with the opinion, but is actually irrational)?

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38 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

The fact I mention a lynch mob should hint that it is not completely literal to most. Basic reading comprehension should allow you to see the point in spite of the hyperbole. But lets look at the the parts. If Ballard passes at QB and takes a DL at #4 I doubt I will be the only one going from neutral (or even positive) on Ballard to seeing him negatively, or be in the minority suggesting he deserves to be fired. I also think that many will question Irsays judgement if he allows Ballard to go this direction. Which part of this is irrational (not whether you agree with the opinion, but is actually irrational)?

Your attempt to insult me with your reading comprehension comment is weak. You take this and yourself way too serious. 

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27 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Your attempt to insult me with your reading comprehension comment is weak. You take this and yourself way too serious. 

 

And you took the comment way too seriously. I stated earlier I thought you clearly understood the comment was intentional to emphasize a point. So you either knew that and still decided you just wanted to ride in and "play comment sheriff", or you truly didn't comprehend; take your pick.

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And you took the comment way too seriously. I stated earlier I thought you clearly understood the comment was intentional to emphasize a point. So you either knew that and still decided you just wanted to ride in and "play comment sheriff", or you truly didn't comprehend; take your pick.

Oh, another jab. Carry on.  Be yourself. 

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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Oh, another jab. Carry on.  Be yourself. 

 

Says the person who took the first shot ... Will do, thanks for the advice Sheriff. Thanks for keeping everyone safe from "unreasonable and unrealistic" comments. :thmup:

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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

Suitable, but predictable comment. 

 

From "unreasonable and unrealistic" to "suitable and predictable"  .. wow that's some range ... so what you're saying is you think I'm a well rounded commenter. Coming from you Sheriff props like that means everything to me. :thanks:

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On 3/29/2023 at 8:10 AM, Jackie Daytona said:

The Colts record under Ballard pretty much consists of two options with high draft choices.  Trade back and pick a guy no one expected, or stay out and pick a guy no one expected. With an outlier here or there...

 

I think the draft will fall, Young/Stroud in the first two either order, then  AZ takes Anderson, and Ballard drafts .... Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech....  With bothe Richardson and Levis in the board.  

 

Are you Bucky Brooks? Because this is what he predicted on NFL Network!

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Thanks for the fresh take.  Nice to see a different possibility, since groupthink has already decided we’re going QB.  It’s certainly possible CB doesn’t like the QBs available to the team at 4 and takes the BPA at a position of need.  I wonder about that CB from Oregon, Gonzales…

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I also think this idea is a possible outcome

 

I want a QB, but QB1 and QB2, are probably GONE

 

THEN you have the question

 

Will QB3 and QB4 turn out to be all pros?  

I dont know the answer to that one

 

 

The odd are MUCH higher that Anderson, Carter, OR Tyree Wilson will be pro bowl players in the league

 

THAN

 

Richardson or Levis being long term starters...... let alone game changers

 

Look at the first round picks for QBs the last 10 years......  ITS UGLY!

 

My first option with your board is Richardson, but IF HE is gone

I would take Anderson or Carter at 4, and try for Hooker in round 2

 

 

For myself.......  I am a fan.....  I dont do this for a living......  If they dont love QB3 and QB4.......  why make the pick?  The Fans??

 

 

 

 

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I believe in Stroud and Young - they have the talent and have been sufficiently developed to be above average QBs early in their careers.  I don’t believe in Levis - I think he’ll bust badly.  Richardson…I think a good set of coaches can make him into at least an average QB in a couple of years, which may just be worth the pick…

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On 4/15/2023 at 4:38 AM, jvan1973 said:

I think Wilson will go before Anderson in the draft.   The dude is a freak 

So do I.  In this scenario I had it 1/2 young/Stroud, 3 Anderson, 4 Wilson.....  

 

Now....if Houston really does go Anderson, and roll with Davis Mills for the year.....  It maybe changes the calculus.....  if someone comes up to 3 for Stroud/young, it changes very little...

 

In that case it would be 1-Stroud/Young.....2 - Anderson, 3 Stroud/Young, 4... Wilson.  Same ol for Indy.

 

If no trades are made and it goes 1 QB, 2, Anderson, 3, Tyree/Carter.....then Indy would take Stroud....

 

I hope, I and I probably am....very wrong. Lol

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On 4/2/2023 at 11:10 AM, crazycolt1 said:

What may be logical to you may not be what happens.  We both know that.  Beware of certainties. 

Which would make his logic not logical at all… with the 4th pick the Indianapolis colts select….to defer until the second half.

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