Will Anderson

[CR91]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

And you honestly think there is a Mahomes, an Allen or a Burrow in this draft class? Maybe Stroud or Young but the rest is meh. Taking the bpa is not a bad thing regardless of your opinion.  

 

You never know what a QB will become. You think the chiefs thought taking Mahomes would get them to 4 Super Bowls? No, but they took a chance.

[crazycolt1]

8 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You never know what a QB will become. You think the chiefs thought taking Mahomes would get them to 4 Super Bowls? No, but they took a chance.

That's right, you never know but you DO know that Will Anderson IS gonna be a beast. 

[CR91]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

That's right, you never know but you DO know that Will Anderson IS gonna be a beast. 

 

Defense you can argue was top 10 last year and we mustered 4 wins. Clearly the problem isn't defense.

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Defense you can argue was top 10 last year and we mustered 4 wins. Clearly the problem isn't defense.

We didn't have a defender with Andersons skills.  To stop QBs like Mahomes and Burrow you have to have a player that can stop them. Anderson fits that category. 

[CR91]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

We didn't have a defender with Andersons skills.  To stop QBs like Mahomes and Burrow you have to have a player that can stop them. Anderson fits that category. 

 

Which does not matter if the offense can't even score 20 points

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Which does not matter if the offense can't even score 20 points

You honestly think this draft is the only way a QB can be acquired? 

[CR91]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

You honestly think this draft is the only way a QB can be acquired? 

 

It's the 4th pick of the draft and we've needed a QB since 2019. This is the closest we've had a chance to get a QB. 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

It's the 4th pick of the draft and we've needed a QB since 2019. This is the closest we've had a chance to get a QB. 

We acquired a great QB with Rivers in 2020 so quit exaggerating the facts. 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

@crazycolt1

@CR91

 

I wanted to see if you need my services, but you both are at it.

 

Alrighty Then 

 

[crazycolt1]

Just now, VikingsFanInChennai said:

@crazycolt1

@CR91

 

I wanted to see if you need my services, but both are at it.

 

Alrighty Then 

 

Nah, we are OK.  Just pulling each other's chains abit.  Nothing to get alarmed about.  

[CR91]

27 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

We acquired a great QB with Rivers in 2020 so quit exaggerating the facts. 

 

Please tell me you're not serious 

[crazycolt1]

7 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Please tell me you're not serious 

A wild card playoff game with a legitimate chance to win the game speaks for itself. 

 

[CR91]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

A wild card playoff game with a legitimate chance to win the game speaks for itself. 

 

 

He was a 39 year old QB who couldn't throw past 20 yards. Stop it 

[crazycolt1]

15 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

He was a 39 year old QB who couldn't throw past 20 yards. Stop it 

So he threw for 4169 yds  20 yds at a time? How about the 25 passing TDs? How about the 11-5 record he took us to? We only wish we had a QB of that caliber right now.  

[CR91]

12 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

So he threw for 4169 yds  20 yds at a time? How about the 25 passing TDs? How about the 11-5 record he took us to? We only wish we had a QB of that caliber right now.  

 

So you think if we had Rivers right now, he can beat Mahomes and all the other elite QBs? Just stop please. It's ridiculous 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

So you think if we had Rivers right now, he can beat Mahomes and all the other elite QBs? Just stop please. It's ridiculous 

You are being ridiculous with the narrative that Rivers wasn't a good QB. He played well enough to win the wild card game and it wasn't his fault we lost the game. You want to disregard the 11-5 record like it didn't happen.  It is you that just needs to stop.  

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

You are being ridiculous with the narrative that Rivers wasn't a good QB. He played well enough to win the wild card game and it wasn't his fault we lost the game. You want to disregard the 11-5 record like it didn't happen.  It is you that just needs to stop.  

 

You're acting like we were contenders with Rivers. It was a stop gap. A band-aid because we couldn't get Burrow, Tua, or Herbert in that draft and apparently the colts agreed because they basically pushed him out the door to get Wentz.

[crazycolt1]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

You're acting like we were contenders with Rivers. It was a stop gap. A band-aid because we couldn't get Burrow, Tua, or Herbert in that draft and apparently the colts agreed because they basically pushed him out the door to get Wentz.

What?? Rivers retired a year early.  No one pushed him out the door.  Matter of fact the Colts wanted him to honor his contract.  Quit trying to change history. 

[CR91]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

What?? Rivers retired a year early.  No one pushed him out the door.  Matter of fact the Colts wanted him to honor his contract.  Quit trying to change history. 

 

Not what I heard. Rivers wanted to keep playing and the colts said no. Why would Rivers retire after having what you said was a great season.

[crazycolt1]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

Not what I heard. Rivers wanted to keep playing and the colts said no. Why would Rivers retire after having what you said was a great season.

Because he wanted to coach his son. Your narrative of trashing Rivers is truly sad. 

[CR91]

1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

Because he wanted to coach his son. Your narrative of trashing Rivers is truly sad. 

 

You actually believe that. You clearly think Rivers was great for us. Why retire when apparently he could still play in your eyes. It's a two way street and clearly the colts had other plans. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Rivers was a good QB here. We could have easily beat Josh Allen at Buffalo in the Wildcard Game. It was close. Stats wise and going 11-5 with Rivers was good. 

[crazycolt1]

4 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

You actually believe that. You clearly think Rivers was great for us. Why retire when apparently he could still play in your eyes. It's a two way street and clearly the colts had other plans. 

Rivers was good for the Colts. He guided us to our best season since Luck retired. An 11-5 record brought us a wild card game. I'm sorry you disregard the facts just to make an argument over it.  

[CR91]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Rivers was a good QB here. We could have easily beat Josh Allen at Buffalo in the Wildcard Game. It was close. Stats wise and going 11-5 with Rivers was good. 

 

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

Rivers was good for the Colts. He guided us to our best season since Luck retired. An 11-5 record brought us a wild card game. I'm sorry you disregard the facts just to make an argument over it.  

 

I feel you guys are content with being a wildcard team like that's worth bragging about. At any point did you think we were super bowl contenders with Rivers? That's the point I'm trying to make. We were not winning anything with Rivers, but you wanna hold him up like he's great because we got 11 wins and a playoff spot. 

[crazycolt1]

4 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

I feel you guys are content with being a wildcard team like that's worth bragging about. At any point did you think we were super bowl contenders with Rivers? That's the point I'm trying to make. We were not winning anything with Rivers, but you wanna hold him up like he's great because we got 11 wins and a playoff spot. 

It's not a point of holding Rivers up. It's a point you want to rewrite history and tear him down like he was trash. He puts his family first and you attempt to make it sound like the Colts ran him off. 

Just stop, the more you talk, the more you make yourself sound silly. That is not ment as an insult, just the truth. 

[Hawkeyecolt]

The funny thing is you’re both correct.  Rivers had an excellent year.  Better than I could have imagined.  They did have Buffalo beat.  Had Rivers completed the 4th down pass for the TD they would have won. Rivers really couldn’t throw it much over 20 yards yet he succeeded.  However, at the same time defenses knew he couldn’t take the top off and it limited the offense. 
 

I’ve heard both sides of the story on whether he retired on his own or not. Initially, I heard he retired. Later I heard Ballard told him the Colts couldn’t win it all with him at QB despite his excellent season. 

[CR91]

6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It's not a point of holding Rivers up. It's a point you want to rewrite history and tear him down like he was trash. He puts his family first and you attempt to make it sound like the Colts ran him off. 

Just stop, the more you talk, the more you make yourself sound silly. That is not ment as an insult, just the truth. 

 

4 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

The funny thing is you’re both correct.  Rivers had an excellent year.  Better than I could have imagined.  They did have Buffalo beat.  Had Rivers completed the 4th down pass for the TD they would have won. Rivers really couldn’t throw it much over 20 yards yet he succeeded.  However, at the same time defenses knew he couldn’t take the top off and it limited the offense. 
 

I’ve heard both sides of the story on whether he retired on his own or not. Initially, I heard he retired. Later I heard Ballard told him the Colts couldn’t win it all with him at QB despite his excellent season. 

 

Apparently I'm not the only one who heard a different retirement story.

[crazycolt1]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

 

Apparently I'm not the only one who heard a different retirement story.

How about listening to the story by Rivers himself? https://youtu.be/YF7kCNHA-u0

[CR91]

7 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

How about listening to the story by Rivers himself? https://youtu.be/YF7kCNHA-u0

 

Why would he trash the colts? He gains nothing by doing that so of course all he's gonna do is say the media trove of I have nothing, but respect for the organization and blah blah blah. Look at the facts as you like to say. Rivers was still playing at a high level as you pointed out. He could coach his kids at anytime. He's got 9 of them so doesn't exactly need to rush. Why leave if you think the colts wanted him back?

[crazycolt1]

12 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Why would he trash the colts? He gains nothing by doing that so of course all he's gonna do is say the media trove of I have nothing, but respect for the organization and blah blah blah. Look at the facts as you like to say. Rivers was still playing at a high level as you pointed out. He could coach his kids at anytime. He's got 9 of them so doesn't exactly need to rush. Why leave if you think the colts wanted him back?

 You hear it straight from Rivers and now you accuse him of lying? Figures. 

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

 You hear it straight from Rivers and now you accuse him of lying? Figures. 

 

I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Why stop playing after going to the playoffs, throwing for 4000 yards, with at the time the best oline in football and an ascending Taylor 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Why stop playing after going to the playoffs, throwing for 4000 yards, with at the time the best oline in football and an ascending Taylor 

 What, a father's desire to spend time with his family? You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Why stop playing after going to the playoffs, throwing for 4000 yards, with at the time the best oline in football and an ascending Taylor 

One last word, you have kept digging a hole so deep with this convo that you could not get out of. Nobody said Rivers was great but he was solid good and he gave us a punchers chance to make a SB run. Also he wanted to retire to spend time with his family and coach high-school football.

[Mike06181]

10 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

This forum would explode if WE failed to drafty a QB. Ballard has been touched for not drafting a QB before and we are in the best position we've been in since he has been a GM. Nothing is a sure thing but you got to go for it.

I like 4 of the 5 top qbs (not richardson) so i would take one at 4 even it ment it was hooker. But…. But… a big but.. if ballard doesnt like qbs 3-5 then i would be fine with him grabbing a stud at another position. A de, a left tackle etc.. and grab a qb later in draft or even go after lamar after the draft.  Heck if he decided to trade back in rd 1 and grab an additional 2nd and a 1st in 2024, signed lamar after draft and still had a 1st next yr would you be upset that much? I wouldn’t.

[Mike06181]

When teams draft a qb early because they need one they draft a turd more often than a stud. For every allen theres a darnold, mayfield, rosen. Some are career backups, journeymen, or not even in the league anymore. That puts your team back years! If the gm likes a guy alot its worth the risk but if hes just taking one because of the “fans” or the “owner” then its a mistake.

[Indeee]

6 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Why stop playing after going to the playoffs, throwing for 4000 yards, with at the time the best oline in football and an ascending Taylor 

My friend, if you haven't realized by now that are a lot of people on this forum that do not use "common sense logic" when certain topics are more sensitive than others. Everyone of this forum could use a lesson in staying indifferent when speaking reality vs. implied realities. 

 

I have zero fight in this debate. 

 

That year, with Rivers, the Colts overachieved. Some will always see it as we had a great team that just fell short, however the years after Rivers left should tell everyone they overachieved that year, yet there will always be those who see it as a complete opposite any buy into the puzzling situation view of why this team has struggled ever since and make up every excuse to justify it other than just seeing it for what it truly is/was. We were never that good and most of these players are not earth movers, especially when the earth really needs moving in consistent intervals. 

 

QB or zero QB this year makes no matter. We are far away in this stacked AFC that now has just added Rodgers to the mix, and to a lesser degree Garoppolo in a system familiar. It might be fun to see how the Colts navigate and add, however I'm not sure we will get past a lower middle of the pack from a real competitive point. That's why I'm really all for have the Mania start all year and focus on QB next year. Take that pass rusher at 4, if he's there because lord knows we need that too in a loaded AFC full of perennial QB talent. 

 

-Peace

 

 

[CR91]

7 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

 What, a father's desire to spend time with his family? You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. 

 

7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

One last word, you have kept digging a hole so deep with this convo that you could not get out of. Nobody said Rivers was great but he was solid good and he gave us a punchers chance to make a SB run. Also he wanted to retire to spend time with his family and coach high-school football.

 

Because I call nonsense? Sorry if I don't buy the Hallmark movie, but regardless that's not even here nor there. You want me to rephrase? Fine. Colts haven't had a franchise QB since 2019. That better?

[Matabix]

On 3/17/2023 at 12:25 PM, Hoose said:

No. Great player but the Colts go absolutely backward if they don’t grab a QB at 4. It’s way, way overdue. Time to take the leap of faith. 

Ever here the saying take 1 step back to go 3 forward. If Anderson surest up 1 of the DE spots for 10+ years why wouldn't you do it. These qbs might work out but there's still more questions about them than Anderson. 

[Matabix]

14 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

Because Will Anderson isn't changing the fact we have no QB. You're not winning in the AFC if you don't have someone to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Lamar, Watson, and Lawrence 

You think Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson is Mahomes, Allen etc...?

[CR91]

1 minute ago, Matabix said:

You think Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson is Mahomes, Allen etc...?

 

None of us know what a QB will be. Josh Allen wasn't Josh Allen right away. It takes time.