Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

[Indeee]

1 hour ago, Jimdcoltsfan said:

I don't get the Cam hate..Dude was a beast...his career numbers show it...most accurate ever..nope..bit plenty accurate enuff to win a ton games...get his team division titles and a super bowl appearance..plus was exciting to watch play..so if that's the "best" you think you can get from Richardson then sign me up..I'm not saying to trade up for him..but if he's the one left at 4 then I take him all day long every day

We will agree to disagree on Newton. 

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[Superman]

On 3/5/2023 at 5:38 AM, Indeee said:

Cam Newton one of the worst QB's to ever play in NFL.

 

Strongly disagree. He had significant flaws as a passer, most of which never went away. Yet he found a way to perform and be productive to a high level, even winning MVP and going to a SB. He reached levels that other more technically sound QBs never come close to. At the very least, I'd say your comment here is extreme hyperbole. 

 

But I also think you missed my point. The reason Cam is such a great comp is because it illustrates two things: 1) Most QB prospects don't completely solve their technical deficiencies, especially as passers, and 2) a QB can still be effective and productive while struggling with technical deficiencies. 

 

Cam is definitely an outlier, but he charted a path showing how to handle a guy like Richardson. His career is also a warning example for how NOT to handle a guy like Richardson, because even the biggest, fastest, strongest guys will break down if you ask them to play QB and RB simultaneously for a prolonged period of time. 

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[chad72]

10 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Cam is definitely an outlier, but he charted a path showing how to handle a guy like Richardson. His career is also a warning example for how NOT to handle a guy like Richardson, because even the biggest, fastest, strongest guys will break down if you ask them to play QB and RB simultaneously for a prolonged period of time. 

 

Yep, he got his 1st big contract and nothing beyond. Luck is an example of how not being smart with taking hits can take a toll on you as well. 

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BTW for whatever reason it seems like the age of Anthony RIchardson on the webs is wrong. Listened to the Athletic post-Combine podcast and they said the age is wrong - he's not 21, he's actually 20 year old. It's the same birth-date but a year younger. @Superman

[Superman]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

BTW for whatever reason it seems like the age of Anthony RIchardson on the webs is wrong. Listened to the Athletic post-Combine podcast and they said the age is wrong - he's not 21, he's actually 20 year old. It's the same birth-date but a year younger. @Superman

 

Yeah I think he said at the Combine that he's 20, and I wondered about that. So he'll be 21 in May, not 22, right?

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10 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Yeah I think he said at the Combine that he's 20, and I wondered about that. So he'll be 21 in May, not 22, right?

Yep... it almost makes me wish he returned to college for one more year... 

[esmort]

10 minutes ago, stitches said:

Yep... it almost makes me wish he returned to college for one more year... 

 

He would be measured against much better talent next year, so he would need to significantly improve just to have the equivelent hype he is generating this year.

 

[Moosejawcolt]

On 3/6/2023 at 11:02 AM, Superman said:

 

Strongly disagree. He had significant flaws as a passer, most of which never went away. Yet he found a way to perform and be productive to a high level, even winning MVP and going to a SB. He reached levels that other more technically sound QBs never come close to. At the very least, I'd say your comment here is extreme hyperbole. 

 

But I also think you missed my point. The reason Cam is such a great comp is because it illustrates two things: 1) Most QB prospects don't completely solve their technical deficiencies, especially as passers, and 2) a QB can still be effective and productive while struggling with technical deficiencies. 

 

Cam is definitely an outlier, but he charted a path showing how to handle a guy like Richardson. His career is also a warning example for how NOT to handle a guy like Richardson, because even the biggest, fastest, strongest guys will break down if you ask them to play QB and RB simultaneously for a prolonged period of time. 

I think Richardson  draws u in because of his physical attributes. The sky is th3 likit if this guy  develops. U r talking about a strasophe type player. The first of his  kind. Cam but with more speed and that's scary. There is even the hope thatche can be become a better passer than Cam and  if Richardso ln ever became a competent passer, there would be no one like him ever. The problem is  this. If u take everything into account, his probability  of becoming a bust is much higher than becoming a super star.    I was all  in on him because  I like most people was so intrigued by him.  However  this team needs a qb whoxis going to come in and develop with this young receiving corp.  I don't see Richardson as that guy. I have always said when u r picking in the top ten and for sure  top 5, you need to pick the best player based on the tape and not what u think he can be.  I rjil most people want to male the pick cause they don't want to be the team that passed  on Richardson if he  becomes Cam+. You can't go into the draft with that kind of thinking. Look at the tape and stay true to it. Don't be swayed by the prettiest girl in the room. Look at the one who is going to make the best girlfriend and that maybe the prettiest one. However it takes  more than just looks to make a great spouse lol.

[NFLfan]

 

[chad72]

On 3/10/2023 at 5:08 PM, Moosejawcolt said:

I think Richardson  draws u in because of his physical attributes. The sky is th3 likit if this guy  develops. U r talking about a strasophe type player. The first of his  kind. Cam but with more speed and that's scary. There is even the hope thatche can be become a better passer than Cam and  if Richardso ln ever became a competent passer, there would be no one like him ever. The problem is  this. If u take everything into account, his probability  of becoming a bust is much higher than becoming a super star.    I was all  in on him because  I like most people was so intrigued by him.  However  this team needs a qb whoxis going to come in and develop with this young receiving corp.  I don't see Richardson as that guy. I have always said when u r picking in the top ten and for sure  top 5, you need to pick the best player based on the tape and not what u think he can be.  I rjil most people want to male the pick cause they don't want to be the team that passed  on Richardson if he  becomes Cam+. You can't go into the draft with that kind of thinking. Look at the tape and stay true to it. Don't be swayed by the prettiest girl in the room. Look at the one who is going to make the best girlfriend and that maybe the prettiest one. However it takes  more than just looks to make a great spouse lol.

 

To me, if the Colts are sitting at No.4 and I see both Stroud and Young go No.1 and No.2, and IF Ballard doesn't move up to No.3 and another team jumps to No.3 and chooses Levis, I would definitely see if a team like the Lions or Raiders wants Anderson bad enough that they want to move up and gives me a couple of 2nd rounders (current and/or future combination). Then I move back and get Richardson and get the gain in talent. There are going to be pros and cons for every one of the first 4 QBs anyways, so might as well take the swing and get a few extras along the way.

 

My gut feeling is the Seahawks and Lions will telegraph their intentions if they don't move up before draft day, and the Raiders and Falcons are out of the market and the Panthers are already ahead of us. So, we WILL get our pick of Levis or Richardson standing at at No.4.

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New Anthony Richardson video by JT:

 

 

 

[colts89]

On 3/17/2023 at 11:16 AM, chad72 said:

 

To me, if the Colts are sitting at No.4 and I see both Stroud and Young go No.1 and No.2, and IF Ballard doesn't move up to No.3 and another team jumps to No.3 and chooses Levis, I would definitely see if a team like the Lions or Raiders wants Anderson bad enough that they want to move up and gives me a couple of 2nd rounders (current and/or future combination). Then I move back and get Richardson and get the gain in talent. There are going to be pros and cons for every one of the first 4 QBs anyways, so might as well take the swing and get a few extras along the way.

 

My gut feeling is the Seahawks and Lions will telegraph their intentions if they don't move up before draft day, and the Raiders and Falcons are out of the market and the Panthers are already ahead of us. So, we WILL get our pick of Levis or Richardson standing at at No.4.

I think this is the only scenario that I'd be okay with trading back in. Although, I can see a few teams might trade up to get Richardson if we trade too far back.

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Scouting report on Anthony RIchardson by Greg Cosell(click on Cosell's name to get his specific report):

https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-draft/2023/players/anthony-richardson-53620/scouting-reports/

[CR91]

Since Richardson is looking like the most likely pick imo, I watched more tape on him. Here's what I see.

 

Pros

- Super strong in the pocket

- Very athletic

- Hard to bring down rather it's in the pocket or running

- Strong arm and very physical runner

 

Cons

- Very inaccurate

- Floats too many passes

- Locks on his first read too much

- Feet aren't set when he throws which leds to a lot of overthrows

- Release point looks very awkward and unnatural

- Ball does not look effortless coming out of his hands.

 

AR is probably the best athletic prospect in the draft, but in terms of QB he's raw. Imo, he needed another year of college to work on his accuracy. Can he play right away? Depends how we're using him. If we use him similar to how Hurts was used then yes, but there needs to be a lot of patience.

 

Ceiling - Cam Newton

 

Floor - Tim Tebow 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

7 hours ago, CR91 said:

Since Richardson is looking like the most likely pick imo, I watched more tape on him. Here's what I see.

 

Pros

- Super strong in the pocket

- Very athletic

- Hard to bring down rather it's in the pocket or running

- Strong arm and very physical runner

 

Cons

- Very inaccurate

- Floats too many passes

- Locks on his first read too much

- Feet aren't set when he throws which leds to a lot of overthrows

- Release point looks very awkward and unnatural

- Ball does not look effortless coming out of his hands.

 

AR is probably the best athletic prospect in the draft, but in terms of QB he's raw. Imo, he needed another year of college to work on his accuracy. Can he play right away? Depends how we're using him. If we use him similar to how Hurts was used then yes, but there needs to be a lot of patience.

 

Ceiling - Cam Newton

 

Floor - Tim Tebow 

On-the-field Cam Newton and Off-the-field Tim Tebow in one person would be nice. 

[Jackie Daytona]

On 3/25/2023 at 3:27 AM, CR91 said:

Since Richardson is looking like the most likely pick imo, I watched more tape on him. Here's what I see.

 

Pros

- Super strong in the pocket

- Very athletic

- Hard to bring down rather it's in the pocket or running

- Strong arm and very physical runner

 

Cons

- Very inaccurate

- Floats too many passes

- Locks on his first read too much

- Feet aren't set when he throws which leds to a lot of overthrows

- Release point looks very awkward and unnatural

-Ball does not look effortless coming out of his hands.????

 

AR is probably the best athletic prospect in the draft, but in terms of QB he's raw. Imo, he needed another year of college to work on his accuracy. Can he play right away? Depends how we're using him. If we use him similar to how Hurts was used then yes, but there needs to be a lot of patience.

 

Ceiling - Cam Newton

 

Floor - Tim Tebow 

I'm not sold on AR AT ALL, and I like Levis more than many......but....that said, the three bolded cons are all the same.  How many ways/reasons are you going to list for his inaccuracy?  

 

As for the underlined... maybe I'm blind, but "effort" is that LAST thing I think he needs more of on his throws.

[chad72]

48 minutes ago, Jackie Daytona said:

I'm not sold on AR AT ALL, and I like Levis more than many......but....that said, the three bolded cons are all the same.  How many ways/reasons are you going to list for his inaccuracy?  

 

As for the underlined... maybe I'm blind, but "effort" is that LAST thing I think he needs more of on his throws.

 

100% agree, the ball does come out of AR's hands just as effortlessly as it comes out of Levis' hands. That is one thing both do well, release the ball in off balance throwing stances and still deliver it easily, maybe not accurately but they do so easily.

 

AR's mechanics have not been worked on by a professional coach, he didn't get the same level of coaching that Levis has gotten, who worked with plenty of professional concepts and NFL level OC coaching too, we know those for a fact. So, AR is definitely a bigger project than Levis.

 

But then, you go back to the "blank canvas" concept. When you have more starting experience, you have a slightly better floor but does that mean that the bad habits are embedded in you like the ones you see in 2-3 year starters like Levis etc. may not change? AR, on the other hand, can be molded in the image of the new OC/HC's offense that gets to work with him with fewer bad habits to break?? I have no idea if such thinking is subscribed to by NFL GMs and HCs drafting projects.

 

[Hawkeyecolt]

On 3/25/2023 at 2:27 AM, CR91 said:

Since Richardson is looking like the most likely pick imo, I watched more tape on him. Here's what I see.

 

Pros

- Super strong in the pocket

- Very athletic

- Hard to bring down rather it's in the pocket or running

- Strong arm and very physical runner

 

Cons

- Very inaccurate

- Floats too many passes

- Locks on his first read too much

- Feet aren't set when he throws which leds to a lot of overthrows

- Release point looks very awkward and unnatural

- Ball does not look effortless coming out of his hands.

 

AR is probably the best athletic prospect in the draft, but in terms of QB he's raw. Imo, he needed another year of college to work on his accuracy. Can he play right away? Depends how we're using him. If we use him similar to how Hurts was used then yes, but there needs to be a lot of patience.

 

Ceiling - Cam Newton

 

Floor - Tim Tebow 

I don’t agree with locking on to first receiver too much.  I think he’s very underrated at pocket presence and showing an ability to go through progressions.  
 

With the way QB’s are officiated today I think Richardson’s floor is where Justin Fields is right now. 
 

I agree patience would be needed but I think that would be the case with any of the rookies.  They really spend this offseason getting ready for the combine, workouts, senior bowl, the draft etc.  It’s why the rookies make their jumps in year two after professional coaches get their hands on him. 
 

 

[CR91]

16 hours ago, Jackie Daytona said:

I'm not sold on AR AT ALL, and I like Levis more than many......but....that said, the three bolded cons are all the same.  How many ways/reasons are you going to list for his inaccuracy?  

 

As for the underlined... maybe I'm blind, but "effort" is that LAST thing I think he needs more of on his throws.

 

I'm explaining why he's inaccurate. I haven't seen a lot of throws on a rope to agree with you. I've seen a lot of lollipop throws that look like they took awhile to get there. Can he shoot it into small windows? Yes, but I've seen more floaters then darts

[CR91]

20 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

I don’t agree with locking on to first receiver too much.  I think he’s very underrated at pocket presence and showing an ability to go through progressions.  
 

With the way QB’s are officiated today I think Richardson’s floor is where Justin Fields is right now. 
 

I agree patience would be needed but I think that would be the case with any of the rookies.  They really spend this offseason getting ready for the combine, workouts, senior bowl, the draft etc.  It’s why the rookies make their jumps in year two after professional coaches get their hands on him. 
 

 

 

I don't agree. I see a lot of first reads not there then tuck it and run which is probably by design, but something he's gonna need to learn to not do in the NFL. 

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4 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I don't agree. I see a lot of first reads not there then tuck it and run which is probably by design, but something he's gonna need to learn to not do in the NFL. 

I disagree with this. I think this is actually a thing that separates him from other other super athletic QBs - he actually does NOT bail from the pocket and does NOT run the first chance he gets. He tries to make plays from the pocket... now, he's not great at it right now and he's not accurate with it, but his natural instinct is actually to make the play with his arm rather than with his legs. Here's his stats on run/sack/throw when pressured. His distribution is practically identical with that of CJ Stroud who's considered the prototypical pocket passer QB:

 

 

 

 

[CR91]

54 minutes ago, stitches said:

I disagree with this. I think this is actually a thing that separates him from other other super athletic QBs - he actually does NOT bail from the pocket and does NOT run the first chance he gets. He tries to make plays from the pocket... now, he's not great at it right now and he's not accurate with it, but his natural instinct is actually to make the play with his arm rather than with his legs. Here's his stats on run/sack/throw when pressured. His distribution is practically identical with that of CJ Stroud who's considered the prototypical pocket passer QB:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not following. What does that stat have to do with not having his first read so he runs? That was just about how they handled pressure.

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35 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm not following. What does that stat have to do with not having his first read so he runs? That was just about how they handled pressure.

Oh, I misunderstood the implication there, apologies. I still disagree with your statement though. I think he runs as a last resort or on designed runs predominantly, rather than bailing on reads after the first read is covered. 

[Superman]

On 2/20/2023 at 9:42 PM, Superman said:

 

Question away!

 

Throwing ability, I'd reserve a 10 for someone who can throw with some touch, and maybe some different arm angles.

 

For athleticism, I guess reserving the 10 for a Michael Vick level of explosiveness. I hope he tests at the Combine and pro day. 

 

I was waiting until his pro day, but he's not going to do any athletic testing. So just based on the Combine, I think it's appropriate to upgrade Richardson's score for movement/athleticism to a 10/10. He had the most impressive Combine of any QB prospect, ever, so this seems like a no-brainer. There's a rare level of explosiveness that he doesn't quite reach, but few do.

 

@Btown_Colt

[chad72]

 

 

 

 

Some throws from his Pro Day.

[BlueShoe]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

I was waiting until his pro day, but he's not going to do any athletic testing. So just based on the Combine, I think it's appropriate to upgrade Richardson's score for movement/athleticism to a 10/10. He had the most impressive Combine of any QB prospect, ever, so this seems like a no-brainer. There's a rare level of explosiveness that he doesn't quite reach, but few do.

 

@Btown_Colt

Oh God, yes!

 

I just noticed this thread. There are only 2 quarterback prospects with that type of movement. Lamar and AR; Their mobility is in a different league. 

[BlueShoe]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:09 AM, CR91 said:

 

I don't agree. I see a lot of first reads not there then tuck it and run which is probably by design, but something he's gonna need to learn to not do in the NFL. 

Actually AR targeted his second, third, and fourth read often. His ability to keep a play alive is the reason too. 
 

My concern is his accuracy. Even on his positive plays, he typically didn’t put the ball in the best place. 
 

I love his personality. I think he could develop into a very strong leader and his team will love him. However, he needs to sit early. 
 

Seattle is a great place for him to end up. 

[Gigc]

I gotta say. I really love Richardson's potential. He's dynamite. I especially like his "feel" for the pocket. If you watch the videos, he's much better at moving around in the pocket than, say, Levis.

BUT I wonder if his demeanor at his pro day put any evaluators off a little. He was "loosey-goosey." On the plus side that shows hes comfortable in his skin. But it could also be construed as maybe not taking that pro day as seriously as you'd like.

Most of the other guys we've watched at pro days attacked it like they were simulating game situations. Take the snap, take urgent drops or rollouts and fire the ball.

Richardson didn't show that urgency --- sort of lazily dropped back, rolled out. Even threw some passes from a seated position. Seemed kinda weird for a job interview...

[Defjamz26]

Lot of interest around Richardson with the Colts. Morroco Brown was at his pro day

 

 

 

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I heard some stats about Richardson in a podcast today that I think are interesting: 

-on throws 10-19 yards(what people consider intermediate throws) he was 53/87, which is 61% and averaged over 10yards per attempt... this is very good efficiency on those throws! 

-on deep throws 20+ yards... 26/64 (~41%), 15.6 yards per attempt(!!!)... 9TDs/2INTs... 93.1 PFF passing grade on deep throws!!!!

-on short throws 51/88 (58% completion) 4TDs/5INT!! This is horrible!!! 

 

So... he's great on intermediate and deep throws... he already is one of the best QBs in this draft at those. What's going on short throws? And is it fixable? The fact that he's a one speed thrower might have something to do with it. He needs to develop a better touch on short throws... from tape something I've seen is that he overthrows short passes a lot. You almost never see him underthrow something. It's usually high and wild. How easy is this to fix? @Superman Because arguably he already does some of the really hard things well. 

[Jack86]

Ballard don’t be dumb, draft the guy!

 

we have the coaching staff and offence to suit him, let’s not over think this one.

 

That being said Ballard is Ballard.

 

Go Colts.

[Moosejawcolt]

On 3/9/2023 at 12:07 PM, stitches said:

Yep... it almost makes me wish he returned to college for one more year... 

He will be if the Colts draft him cause i guarantee they park his butt on the bench for year one lol.  That is why I dont see the Colts moving up to # 3 if Zona is absurd and wanting next years number 1. I think the Colts will be sitting their next qb whether it be Levi or Richardson. Could you imagine if they sat them for the year and were picking in the top 5 again next year and gave up a number one to move up one slot. Now if Zona say wanted a 2nd then maybe that is okay.  I dont think the Raiders move up as their system doesn't fit Richardson. Seattle could be a sleeper but what does that say to your team when you have a qb and draft a player with a top 5 pick to sit for a year and you made the play offs last year? Those players want to take the next step and it kind of sends a bad message to your players. I don't see the Lions going qb, I see them getting the tackle or another Dend. The sleeper could be the Texans. They could pick the Dend at 2 and trade up to 3 in front of Indy to get their guy. They have a lot of capital because of the Deshaun trade. Think of it. They could get Anderson and say their franchise qb at 2 and 3. That would be a great move that would inspire the fan base and Caserio needs to make some noise,

[Jackie Daytona]

On 3/25/2023 at 11:08 AM, VikingsFanInChennai said:

On-the-field Cam Newton and Off-the-field Tim Tebow in one person would be nice. 

Newton was fine off the field as an NFL player..... as was Tebow..... 

[Jackie Daytona]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

He will be if the Colts draft him cause i guarantee they park his butt on the bench for year one lol.  That is why I dont see the Colts moving up to # 3 if Zona is absurd and wanting next years number 1. I think the Colts will be sitting their next qb whether it be Levi or Richardson. Could you imagine if they sat them for the year and were picking in the top 5 again next year and gave up a number one to move up one slot. Now if Zona say wanted a 2nd then maybe that is okay.  I dont think the Raiders move up as their system doesn't fit Richardson. Seattle could be a sleeper but what does that say to your team when you have a qb and draft a player with a top 5 pick to sit for a year and you made the play offs last year? Those players want to take the next step and it kind of sends a bad message to your players. I don't see the Lions going qb, I see them getting the tackle or another Dend. The sleeper could be the Texans. They could pick the Dend at 2 and trade up to 3 in front of Indy to get their guy. They have a lot of capital because of the Deshaun trade. Think of it. They could get Anderson and say their franchise qb at 2 and 3. That would be a great move that would inspire the fan base and Caserio needs to make some noise,

These are huge stretches of opinion.....assumptions made by fans are just that, the likelihood of either of these is impossible for us to gauge from our perspectives.

 

I doubt if the Colts draft a QB early, that he will sit an entire year......  just my opinion.  Never really been known to do it, but that has been QBs taken #1 overall as of late......

 

Texans trading up for that?  It's certainly possilbe......but HOU also has about 9 guys who have any business starting multiple NFL games on their roster, let alone multiple seasons.  They need more picks likely more than they need a Stud DE.

[DougDew]

On 3/30/2023 at 12:08 PM, chad72 said:

 

 

 

 

Some throws from his Pro Day.

 

On 3/30/2023 at 12:08 PM, chad72 said:

 

 

 

 

Some throws from his Pro Day.

Reminds me of Kyle Boller, who earned the second pick in the draft by throwing a ball a long distance from his knees.

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, Jackie Daytona said:

These are huge stretches of opinion.....assumptions made by fans are just that, the likelihood of either of these is impossible for us to gauge from our perspectives.

 

I doubt if the Colts draft a QB early, that he will sit an entire year......  just my opinion.  Never really been known to do it, but that has been QBs taken #1 overall as of late......

 

Texans trading up for that?  It's certainly possilbe......but HOU also has about 9 guys who have any business starting multiple NFL games on their roster, let alone multiple seasons.  They need more picks likely more than they need a Stud DE.

Numerous football people say Richardson and Levi need to sit. Look a Mahonnes. There is a recipe for success.  I think Richardson sits for sure 

[funktacious2]

I’m personally sold. Not that I don’t have questions… He might need a year to develop, he needs to improve his accuracy a bit. But this guy is about as good as a developmental project as you are gonna get and and the Day 1 starters will probably be gone. We have the coach to develop him, we have the need, we have the QB to start while he works his butt off. I say trade to 3 and be done with it. 

[twfish]

19 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Numerous football people say Richardson and Levi need to sit. Look a Mahonnes. There is a recipe for success.  I think Richardson sits for sure 

I still don’t believe Levi’s needs to sit like others are saying. He’s been in a pro style offense for the past 2 years and I believe if they would have been able to hold onto their OC from his first year he would be rivaling C.J for #2 QB. He is incredibly smart but was ultimately let down by coaching and talent around him. Plus he is aware of his weaknesses and what he does wrong and has been working with I believe Palmer on correcting his deficiencies. AR absolutely has to sit for a year. But good lord does he have the tools.