Ejiro Evero getting 2nd interview with Colts for hc job

[bluephantom87]

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

[krunk]

3 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

Robert Saleh is a defensive minded coach and so was Mike Vrabel. Vrabel wins regularly and Saleh is trending the right way. There are others im sure if i look. We won our lone Superbowl with a defensive minded coach. We had an offensive minded coach before this in Frank Reich and where did that get us exactly? Bottom line is you need a great leader, teacher and football mind. Apparently Evero has traits bc we are not the only team hes made it to round 2 with as far as interviews go.

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

What’s the harm with interviewing?   I want an offensive minded HC, but I’m fine with interviewing every bright defensive mind we can find.  Pick their brains.   I don’t see the downside of talking with anyone.   
 

And Ejiro is getting very good reviews for his work with Denver.   
 

Talk to enough good DC’s and maybe CB changes his mind on the type of defense he wants to run?   Just food for thought. 

[csmopar]

8 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

Well a few years ago, like less than a decade, offensive minded coaches at the HC position were being steered away from. It was all DCS being hired. Before that, it was all OCS getting hired.

 

The league goes in cycles. 

[cdgacoltsfan]

42 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Well a few years ago, like less than a decade, offensive minded coaches at the HC position were being steered away from. It was all DCS being hired. Before that, it was all OCS getting hired.

 

The league goes in cycles. 

The rules have been changed and it's now an offensive game. It's a QB driven league. Can't touch the QB or the receivers like the old days.

[Myles]

I hope they do not hire a defensive coach.   This team needs an offensive coach.

[Indeee]

Looks like Dan Quinn gets a 2nd interview as well according to stampede blue

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

I need my OC to be able to do the offensive minded stuff. Let the offense be handled by him and not too much on his plate. 

[Defjamz26]

I think it’s less about which side of the ball they play on and more about their ability to coach and create culture. When you look at the rumored finalists like Quinn, Morris, and Ejiro, they’re all guys who are noted to coach hard and command respect from players. And honestly, a coach with some edge who can instill toughness and accountability is what this organization needs.

 

People forget that coaching is about more than X’s and O’s.

[ChuggaBeer]

Hiring a defensive minded coach  takes away the possibilities of that coach calling the plays.   A defensive is fine if you get the right OC 

 

Head coach needs to be a leader motivator and an in game decision maker.   The coordinators  can run their units 

[krunk]

And even if you get an offense minded coach as we saw with Frank, a change in the OC can mess up everything so its honestly not that different. You bring a defensive guy in here, he hires an OC and that guy could be gone in 2 or 3 years just like it can happen with an offensive coach. And most of you dont want a coach thats calling plays anyway. You will be more assured thats not going to happen with a defensive coach than an offensive coach.

[Jackie Daytona]

11 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

Because it doesn't matter what direction "the league is steering": you never try to copy the best, and succeed.....we'll, very rarely.  Zig while the rest zag.......

[Shaolin06]

I wouldn't mind a defensive coach. I just want someone who can get us back to winning the division and competing for super bowls 

[t-rex]

If we go DC. I would rather have Ryans. 

[t-rex]

7 minutes ago, Shaolin06 said:

I wouldn't mind a defensive coach. I just want someone who can get us back to winning the division and competing for super bowls 

DC Ryans has been with SF HC Shanahan. He could be the best of both worlds. If we go DC, I think he should be the guy.

[bluephantom87]

7 hours ago, krunk said:

Robert Saleh is a defensive minded coach and so was Mike Vrabel. Vrabel wins regularly and Saleh is trending the right way. There are others im sure if i look. We won our lone Superbowl with a defensive minded coach. We had an offensive minded coach before this in Frank Reich and where did that get us exactly? Bottom line is you need a great leader, teacher and football mind. Apparently Evero has traits bc we are not the only team hes made it to round 2 with as far as interviews go.

 

Defensive minded coaches tend to be conservative by nature UNLESS they have a qb that is a generational type at the time who can OVERCOME that general approach. Remember Chuck Pagano as hc? I also think Dungy COST us some SB's too with his conservative approach at the end of seasons to rest players weeks in advance including the bye and by toning DOWN the offense with his OVERALL gameplan to prevent turnovers in the playoffs. Play to your strengths. His playoff approach was always take what the defense gives us INSTEAD of being in attack mode and FORCING them stop us. I also believe if Dungy hadn't faced two of his conservative coaching tree defensive minded hcs in Herm and Lovie that he still wouldn't have hoisted that trophy BUT I'm glad he DID!!!! 

 

You bring up Vrabel and Saleh... What does their OFFENSE look like in TODAY'S nfl? I say the same for most of the defensive HC's in the league right now who can't ADAPT to the now progressive WIDE open scoring league which is what the NFL wants as evident with all the rule changes. Rivera, Eberflus, Allen, Bowles, Tomlin now, Belichick now and Pete Carroll now all have basic offenses that scare no one. Two others with top tier qbs are being questioned in Brandon Staley and Sean McDermott.

 

Too many are getting caught up with an avg Frank Reich who ran a basic, old school type offense that lacked imagination in TODAY'S nfl. The same Frank who was fired in SD as the playcaller of a meh type offense that had some weapons. Most of the up and coming teams are coached by young offensive minds that go hand in hand with what the league wants moving forward. More and more aggressive offenses are sprouting up and are like poetry in motion with young qbs that have been DEVELOPED to highlight their skillset. Multiple formation sets with dynamic receivers is the "new" norm of the league.

 

Ballard WANTED Bradley as dc because of his admiration for the Legion of Boom but we don't have those type of players to copy that defense. They had some studs that also had that DAWG mentality (as well as personality) ON THE FIELD. So would a new defensive hc come in and step on Bradley's toes? What type of offensive staff would Evero bring? The one from Denver? Yikes!!!! Maybe Ryans could pluck some of the Niner offensive coaches from under Kyle. Same with Quinn. Maybe he can bring Moore who might get scapegoated for Dak's continued poor play in BIG games but I think this is ALL smoke and mirrors anyway setup for Saturday to get the job...

[Moosejawcolt]

9 hours ago, krunk said:

Robert Saleh is a defensive minded coach and so was Mike Vrabel. Vrabel wins regularly and Saleh is trending the right way. There are others im sure if i look. We won our lone Superbowl with a defensive minded coach. We had an offensive minded coach before this in Frank Reich and where did that get us exactly? Bottom line is you need a great leader, teacher and football mind. Apparently Evero has traits bc we are not the only team hes made it to round 2 with as far as interviews go.

Saleh is not trending the right way. Wilson is a mess and look deeper at  his defence. As the season wore on his D couldn't stop the run. 

[Hawkeyecolt]

Evero also might be out of a job as a DC depending on who the Broncos who as HC.  Getting to know Evero as a potential HC or DC is hardly a bad thing.  Especially, considering more offensive candidates like Steichen and Callahan can’t be interviewed this week. 

[shasta519]

If they hire a defensive HC, they are probably looking at either a QB coach (hopefully poached from a top tier offense) or some OC retread leading the offense. 

 

Just seems so much easier/better to have a DC retread (who likely won't leave for a HC position) and have an offensive HC who installs his system and brings his own trusted staff.

 

The coaching hire is the first domino, but QB is still more important. At least that's what I hope is their vision.

[Smonroe]

Ideally, the HC is the General.  He holds everyone accountable.  He goes to Ballard and demands better talent on positions that need them.  
 

He works with his OC/DC/ST coaches, but trusts them to be great at their job.  And if they’re not, he recognizes that and moves on.  Loyalty is nice, but charity isn’t when it comes to keeping someone.  
 

They said Tomlin blew everyone away with his interview.  He started out as an offensive guy but made it as a D coach.  He is a leader first and foremost.   That’s what we need.  

[Nickster]

5 hours ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

The rules have been changed and it's now an offensive game. It's a QB driven league. Can't touch the QB or the receivers like the old days.

This is the key to me.  The rules are set up for a passing league, and we are not set up like a passing team as far as I can see even with a good QB.  Pass catchers are exponentially more valuable than they used to be.

[bluephantom87]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

Evero also might be out of a job as a DC depending on who the Broncos who as HC.  Getting to know Evero as a potential HC or DC is hardly a bad thing.  Especially, considering more offensive candidates like Steichen and Callahan can’t be interviewed this week. 

 

So because he might be out of a job go get him as hc? Now if you're talking about moving on from Gus as dc (wouldn't bother me one way or the other) then Evero should get a STRONG look in not flat out get the job because I'm in favor of a more aggressive defense anyway.

 

Hiring Evero specifically for the hc spot would be puzzling to me considering how the league is steering toward offense and scoring. Like you said the new hc in Denver will probably bring in his own staff so would Evero tap into the old offensive staff? I would surely hope not because that offense was bad and Wilson looked bad. As a matter of fact the Broncos offense has looked bad for years so I don't want that anywhere near a young qb. Would he keep the Colts current offenSIVE staff? I would surely hope not on that front either.

 

If we HAD to go defensive like I said previously give me Quinn or Ryans who both are well respected that have a little edge but more than anything they can possibly tap into that Cowboy or Niner offensive staff. 

[colts89]

Look, I'd like a brilliant offensive minded HC to pair with the QB as much as anyone, but let's not forgot how many all time great HCs are defensive minded. If they can prove they can build a great staff on the offensive side, it can work out greatly.

 

Not as much as a QB, but HC's selections are also a crapshoot. Gotta be through in the search.

[Hawkeyecolt]

15 minutes ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

So because he might be out of a job go get him as hc? 

 

 

You’re certainly putting words in my mouth that I never said or implied.  You know my point was he might be a good DC candidate if he doesn’t get the HC gig. 
 

He is getting multiple interviews around the league because he’s well thought of around the league and well qualified. I prefer Steichen, Callahan, or Morris but talking to Evero is hardly a bad thing. 

[krunk]

1 hour ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Saleh is not trending the right way. Wilson is a mess and look deeper at  his defence. As the season wore on his D couldn't stop the run. 

They need another QB.  Not sure what happened with their run D, but their record is definitely an improvement upon what they had the previous year which means they are trending the right way.   Not sure what you call not trending the right way bro. Their personnel is getting better and better.  They've got a young team and everything doesn't just happen overnight.  Just because Wilson didn't work out doesn't necessarily mean Saleh is the reason why.  Wilson just may not be good, or just not ready.  It's pretty obvious he was overdrafted and not where many  people thought he was.  I don't think they are far off.  They play better with Mike White in there.  Their record was fairly decent considering what they went through at QB.

[krunk]

48 minutes ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

So because he might be out of a job go get him as hc? Now if you're talking about moving on from Gus as dc (wouldn't bother me one way or the other) then Evero should get a STRONG look in not flat out get the job because I'm in favor of a more aggressive defense anyway.

 

Hiring Evero specifically for the hc spot would be puzzling to me considering how the league is steering toward offense and scoring. Like you said the new hc in Denver will probably bring in his own staff so would Evero tap into the old offensive staff? I would surely hope not because that offense was bad and Wilson looked bad. As a matter of fact the Broncos offense has looked bad for years so I don't want that anywhere near a young qb. Would he keep the Colts current offenSIVE staff? I would surely hope not on that front either.

 

If we HAD to go defensive like I said previously give me Quinn or Ryans who both are well respected that have a little edge but more than anything they can possibly tap into that Cowboy or Niner offensive staff. 

So you are a trend follower Mr GM?  Or do you select based on the criteria that your team sets for what is acceptable as a HC? I think you sound more silly stating that you want to select a coach based on what everybody else is doing.  That's basically what you're saying here.   Im not saying that I want Evero, but it certainly does not mean it's a bad hire because you pick a defensive coach.

[bluephantom87]

10 minutes ago, Hawkeyecolt said:

 

 

You’re certainly putting words in my mouth that I never said or implied.  You know my point was he might be a good DC candidate if he doesn’t get the HC gig. 
 

He is getting multiple interviews around the league because he’s well thought of around the league and well qualified. I prefer Steichen, Callahan, or Morris but talking to Evero is hardly a bad thing. 

 

Not trying to put words in your mouth so my bad. I took it differently but I do agree about him as dc for the Colts if they are looking to replace Bradley and I never said talking to Evero was a bad thing. My stance was from that Ballard already had Gus who he wanted to oversee the defense as dc. So with that being said I thought they would go offensive to pair with a young qb to elevate their skillset. I do like Steichen and Callahan also but not really feeling Morris based on his prior hc stints. That’s just my opinion...

[krunk]

2 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

Defensive minded coaches tend to be conservative by nature UNLESS they have a qb that is a generational type at the time who can OVERCOME that general approach. Remember Chuck Pagano as hc? I also think Dungy COST us some SB's too with his conservative approach at the end of seasons to rest players weeks in advance including the bye and by toning DOWN the offense with his OVERALL gameplan to prevent turnovers in the playoffs. Play to your strengths. His playoff approach was always take what the defense gives us INSTEAD of being in attack mode and FORCING them stop us. I also believe if Dungy hadn't faced two of his conservative coaching tree defensive minded hcs in Herm and Lovie that he still wouldn't have hoisted that trophy BUT I'm glad he DID!!!! 

 

You bring up Vrabel and Saleh... What does their OFFENSE look like in TODAY'S nfl? I say the same for most of the defensive HC's in the league right now who can't ADAPT to the now progressive WIDE open scoring league which is what the NFL wants as evident with all the rule changes. Rivera, Eberflus, Allen, Bowles, Tomlin now, Belichick now and Pete Carroll now all have basic offenses that scare no one. Two others with top tier qbs are being questioned in Brandon Staley and Sean McDermott.

 

Too many are getting caught up with an avg Frank Reich who ran a basic, old school type offense that lacked imagination in TODAY'S nfl. The same Frank who was fired in SD as the playcaller of a meh type offense that had some weapons. Most of the up and coming teams are coached by young offensive minds that go hand in hand with what the league wants moving forward. More and more aggressive offenses are sprouting up and are like poetry in motion with young qbs that have been DEVELOPED to highlight their skillset. Multiple formation sets with dynamic receivers is the "new" norm of the league.

 

Ballard WANTED Bradley as dc because of his admiration for the Legion of Boom but we don't have those type of players to copy that defense. They had some studs that also had that DAWG mentality (as well as personality) ON THE FIELD. So would a new defensive hc come in and step on Bradley's toes? What type of offensive staff would Evero bring? The one from Denver? Yikes!!!! Maybe Ryans could pluck some of the Niner offensive coaches from under Kyle. Same with Quinn. Maybe he can bring Moore who might get scapegoated for Dak's continued poor play in BIG games but I think this is ALL smoke and mirrors anyway setup for Saturday to get the job...

You are already negating your offensive coach philosphy because we just had one and it didnt work out.   Therefore it's no guarantee.   In either situation the staff is what really makes the difference.  If the OC leave in either situation if you don't replace that guy with another guy who is just as good problems happen.  Frank just proved that to us.  And please with the Dungy comments as if he set some kind of precident for resting players before the playoffs that wasn't being practiced around the league by other teams.  If we get an offensive coach and it doesn't work out all you are going to do is resort to another form of attacks about something else. 

[bluephantom87]

27 minutes ago, krunk said:

So you are a trend follower Mr GM?  Or do you select based on the criteria that your team sets for what is acceptable as a HC?

 

Lol... I usually agree with you on most topics krunk but this seems a little extra with the Mr GM and trend follower comment. It was the Colts prerogative to hire Mr Clap in Chuck Pagano because he fit their criteria. Same with Frank Reich (whose NEVER been accused of running a DYNAMIC offense). As a matter of fact he was FIRED for being lackluster in San Diego so don't use Frank the bad playcaller as your example for me that we had one and look what it got us but he did fit the Colts criteria of being a nice guy like Chuck before him. Same with Saturday.

[bluephantom87]

33 minutes ago, krunk said:

You are already negating your offensive coach philosphy because we just had one and it didnt work out.   Therefore it's no guarantee.   In either situation the staff is what really makes the difference.  If the OC leave in either situation if you don't replace that guy with another guy who is just as good problems happen.  Frank just proved that to us.

 

Frank was NOT my cup of tea... This is a progressive league that has evolved putting emphasis on the qb, receivers, multi-faceted offenses and scoring. Some organizations can ADAPT and see the new direction much quicker than others. You call it being a trend follower I call it the "new" blueprint which is WHY the growing trend is now young offensive minds NOT the old stale retreads or defensive minded HCs. Ask the Vikings, Dolphins. Niners, Bengals, Eagles, Giants, Packers and Rams to name a few. Don't count out the old geezer in Reid whose had top offenses wherever he's been.

 

The Colt's way has lead to the team falling further and further from contention as well as relevancy. Don't believe me check out the record under Ballard in a LARGE sample size time wise. We EARNED that number 4 pick overall. They can push back and continue on their set ways but bottom feeding will become the norm moving forward.

[Myles]

4 hours ago, krunk said:

And even if you get an offense minded coach as we saw with Frank, a change in the OC can mess up everything so its honestly not that different. You bring a defensive guy in here, he hires an OC and that guy could be gone in 2 or 3 years just like it can happen with an offensive coach. And most of you dont want a coach thats calling plays anyway. You will be more assured thats not going to happen with a defensive coach than an offensive coach.

I certainly do not want a coach for what he is not going to do.

Since the Colts are not a highly desired destination, we do not know which people may be available to be the OC.   I don't want to put all the responsibilities on him.  

[LJpalmbeacher2]

13 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Talk to enough good DC’s and maybe CB changes his mind on the type of defense he wants to run?   Just food for thought. 

 

Hmmm....so the interviewing process for HC also doubles as a learning tool for ballard? 

[NewColtsFan]

17 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Hmmm....so the interviewing process for HC also doubles as a learning tool for ballard? 

It’s a learning tool for ALL GMs who want to use it. 
 

The person who did this first was Al Davis. He wanted to pick the brains of as many candidates as possible, even if he had no intention of ever hiring them.   
 

Other GMs have been doing this ever since.   Perhaps Ballard will too? Or maybe not.   I’m only saying it’s possible. 

[jvan1973]

18 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

It doesn't matter the back ground of a head coach.   Do they know the game?  Do you think defensive coaches are clueless on how offense works?  There are head coaches from many different backgrounds that have succeeded.   Can they put together a good staff and lead them?  That's what's important 

4 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

Jeff could have Colts go 0 and 17; Irsay would extend his contact.

Obvious nonsense

[JColts72]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

It doesn't matter the back ground of a head coach.   Do they know the game?  Do you think defensive coaches are clueless on how offense works?  There are head coaches from many different backgrounds that have succeeded.   Can they put together a good staff and lead them?  That's what's important 

Obvious nonsense

Let's wait and see.

[rayski]

22 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

As reported by NFL.com he is the Broncos dc. My question is why? The league is steering away from defensive minded HCs but this is typical Colts lately stuck in the 80's time warp under Ballard. Is he going to oversee Gus Bradley's defense? I don't get this. Thoughts?

How are we stuck under “80s time warp” under Ballard

So far we have been w Reich and almost mcdaniels both offensive minded coaches

 

Also HC decisions heavily influenced by the owner in Indy

[Tsarquise]

1 hour ago, rayski said:

How are we stuck under “80s time warp” under Ballard

So far we have been w Reich and almost mcdaniels both offensive minded coaches

 

Also HC decisions heavily influenced by the owner in Indy

What head coach decisions have been influenced by the owner besides benching Ryan? 

[Jackie Daytona]

11 hours ago, bluephantom87 said:

 

Defensive minded coaches tend to be conservative by nature UNLESS they have a qb that is a generational type at the time who can OVERCOME that general approach. Remember Chuck Pagano as hc? I also think Dungy COST us some SB's too with his conservative approach at the end of seasons to rest players weeks in advance including the bye and by toning DOWN the offense with his OVERALL gameplan to prevent turnovers in the playoffs. Play to your strengths. His playoff approach was always take what the defense gives us INSTEAD of being in attack mode and FORCING them stop us. I also believe if Dungy hadn't faced two of his conservative coaching tree defensive minded hcs in Herm and Lovie that he still wouldn't have hoisted that trophy BUT I'm glad he DID!!!! 

 

You bring up Vrabel and Saleh... What does their OFFENSE look like in TODAY'S nfl? I say the same for most of the defensive HC's in the league right now who can't ADAPT to the now progressive WIDE open scoring league which is what the NFL wants as evident with all the rule changes. Rivera, Eberflus, Allen, Bowles, Tomlin now, Belichick now and Pete Carroll now all have basic offenses that scare no one. Two others with top tier qbs are being questioned in Brandon Staley and Sean McDermott.

 

Too many are getting caught up with an avg Frank Reich who ran a basic, old school type offense that lacked imagination in TODAY'S nfl. The same Frank who was fired in SD as the playcaller of a meh type offense that had some weapons. Most of the up and coming teams are coached by young offensive minds that go hand in hand with what the league wants moving forward. More and more aggressive offenses are sprouting up and are like poetry in motion with young qbs that have been DEVELOPED to highlight their skillset. Multiple formation sets with dynamic receivers is the "new" norm of the league.

 

Ballard WANTED Bradley as dc because of his admiration for the Legion of Boom but we don't have those type of players to copy that defense. They had some studs that also had that DAWG mentality (as well as personality) ON THE FIELD. So would a new defensive hc come in and step on Bradley's toes? What type of offensive staff would Evero bring? The one from Denver? Yikes!!!! Maybe Ryans could pluck some of the Niner offensive coaches from under Kyle. Same with Quinn. Maybe he can bring Moore who might get scapegoated for Dak's continued poor play in BIG games but I think this is ALL smoke and mirrors anyway setup for Saturday to get the job...

The "Dawg" stuff. is severely overrated.  There's not many slackazz types who make the NFL.

 

 

 

[rayski]

6 hours ago, Tsarquise said:

What head coach decisions have been influenced by the owner besides benching Ryan? 

This is ablut hiring HC

[crazycolt1]

25 minutes ago, Myles said:

i would be OK with Saturday only if they also hired a very good OC.   

Imo hiring the right OC is just as if not more important than the hiring of the HC.