2023 QB Draft Class

[DaColts85]

3 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Ideally the Bears swap with the Texans who PLEASE take Young.

 The Bears wisely take the pass rusher.

 The Cards trade out of 3 to a QB hungry team. Say Stroud.

  We trade with LV to 6 and they take Levis

  Detroit takes the DT

  And we draft Richardson. Yippee

I don’t know about that one. I just can’t see Ballard trading down from 4 knowing the pressure he has on himself. But I have been wrong before and will be again. Richardson has some good potential but we would need a very good OC and QB coach to work with him and build a system for him. 

[throwing BBZ]

7 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

I don’t know about that one. I just can’t see Ballard trading down from 4 knowing the pressure he has on himself. But I have been wrong before and will be again. Richardson has some good potential but we would need a very good OC and QB coach to work with him and build a system for him. 

 

Hey, it's fantasy haha! Oh i agree, this is a .01 % er.
But for a 3rd and a 5th he would fantasize.

 Whoever we draft will need a lot of good coaching and players around him. And any of these top 4 QB's could be the best of the bunch 4 years from now so trading up makes NO sense. lol

[Archer]

2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

I get that the Bears don’t want to move to far down. The very same Bears moved from 3 to 2 and gave up the first (swap), there 2nd and 4th plus the 3rd the following year to the 49ers. That was to move one spot. Going from 4 to 1 they should ask for as much as possible honestly. 

In the end, the pick is worth what other teams are willing to pay.  We can almost certainly sit right where we are, select one of the top three QBs, and be much better off than we are.  We’ll have think about whether we’d rather have:

 

our pick between Young and Stroud, but no pick #35 and no 2024 1st

 

                    Or

 
Will Levis, #35, and our next year’s 1st

 

The decision will be something like that…

[Moosejawcolt]

Can we all agree that if they draft a rookie, he will most likely start for us next year? I dont see us bringing back Ryan and I don't think him or Foles want to be here. 17 million in dead cap so you can't really afford another Vet and there is not a lot out there. Therefore, if you draft a rookie, you better make damn sure that this offense is set up to accommodate him. I really don't at this time see an offensive lineup that can support a rookie.. You have way to many questions on the Oline to protect him. We don't know if Rainmann is the answer at the one of the most  valuable positions, well  except  for LG of course....lol. Nelson was good last year and crap this year. Has he hit the wall and we are going to see a continued down ward trend? Kelly is done. No defined player at RG and Smith is having his problems dealing with speed rushers. Is Taylor going to be the same guy? The TE's are very young and they cannot block, but  they do have great measurables and they have flashed some talent.. Pierce looks great and then disappears for games and the same with Campbell. Pittman is not the guy to take pressure off the qb by stretching the filed. My fear is if you go with this line up with so many questions, you could have a disaster. I will stick to my position in that you bring this crew back next year and see how it goes,. Add talent on the offense in terms of a RG, Center and some wr weapons. If you go with this current Oline and group of TE's, I think the rookie will fail.

[DaColts85]

1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

Hey, it's fantasy haha! Oh i agree, this is a .01 % er.
But for a 3rd and a 5th he would fantasize.

 Whoever we draft will need a lot of good coaching and players around him. And any of these top 4 QB's could be the best of the bunch 4 years from now so trading up makes NO sense. lol

I agree with you there. 

[DaColts85]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

In the end, the pick is worth what other teams are willing to pay.  We can almost certainly sit right where we are, select one of the top three QBs, and be much better off than we are.  We’ll have think about whether we’d rather have:

 

our pick between Young and Stroud, but no pick #35 and no 2024 1st

 

                    Or

 
Will Levis, #35, and our next year’s 1st

 

The decision will be something like that…

I like the latter of the two. That being said I believe Levis goes earlier than expected. 

[Defjamz26]

 

[Fluke_33]

3 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

 

That would be amazing.  

[stitches]

23 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

 

Burrow had some of the most insane out of structure playmaking in college, something that's a question for Stroud. 

 

The Young=Tua thing has been crossing my mind too... 

Levis = Herbert is not a bad one either. 

Richardson=Hurts .. .I can see it, but I think Richardson is further away as a passer and better as an athlete. 

[DougDew]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

Burrow had some of the most insane out of structure playmaking in college, something that's a question for Stroud. 

 

The Young=Tua thing has been crossing my mind too... 

Levis = Herbert is not a bad one either. 

Richardson=Hurts .. .I can see it, but I think Richardson is further away as a passer and better as an athlete. 

Agree on all of your observations.   Stroud had a good game against UGA, but to be picky because I am, I thought his escape plays that have been the rave lately were not as great as the attention they are getting.  JMO, but he looked kind of clunky doing them, like its not something he likes doing.  I would not count on them being that frequent or that successful in the NFL.

 

I think Levis is Wentz.  Not a bad place to be as an NFL rookie....but he needs to go beyond that level in the first few years as a pro in order to be worth the pick, IMO.

[Defjamz26]

2 hours ago, stitches said:

Burrow had some of the most insane out of structure playmaking in college, something that's a question for Stroud. 

 

The Young=Tua thing has been crossing my mind too... 

Levis = Herbert is not a bad one either. 

Richardson=Hurts .. .I can see it, but I think Richardson is further away as a passer and better as an athlete. 

Stroud showed almost no ability to create outside of structure besides the Georgia game. You have to wonder if he can do it consistently.

 

With Richardson and Hurts, I also think there’s a difference in character. Haven’t heard anything bad about Richardson, but a lot of people raves about Hurts work ethic and character. It was noted how he was a coaches son and as such has a strong sense of discipline and grit. The way he handled being benched at Bama and went back to work at Oklahoma was signs of someone beyond his years in maturity. Plus unlike Carson, he’s got heart. That’s why he was able to develop past his weaknesses. If Richardson doesn’t have that same drive and work ethic, he may never reach his potential.

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4 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

Stroud showed almost no ability to create outside of structure besides the Georgia game. You have to wonder if he can do it consistently.

That's my worry too. I'm not sure why I should trust that one game over the sample of the 20-30 before that. Also, @DougDew is right that if you actually watch that one game and Stroud's scrambles in that game... he doesn't look athletic or explosive in those. Yes, he made those plays, but it felt more like... do you remember that 30+ yard run Matt Ryan had this year? It felt much more like this than like a Josh Allen ... or hell, even Herbert or Mahomes scramble. 

 

4 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

 

With Richardson and Hurts, I also think there’s a difference in character. Haven’t heard anything bad about Richardson, but a lot of people raves about Hurts work ethic and character. It was noted how he was a coaches son and as such has a strong sense of discipline and grit. The way he handled being benched at Bama and went back to work at Oklahoma was signs of someone beyond his years in maturity. Plus unlike Carson, he’s got heart. That’s why he was able to develop past his weaknesses. If Richardson doesn’t have that same drive and work ethic, he may never reach his potential.

True. With projects like that character and drive are the key elements. Will he work hard for his improvement or will he just get stuck on trying to make it work with his natural gifts. 

[indykmj]

On 1/25/2023 at 3:40 PM, Defjamz26 said:

 

 

  I'd actually flip em.

 

  Young is a slightly poor man's, mini version of Burrow (accurate great QB-IQ, great

  out of structure, etc.) 

 

  Stroud is a bigger version of Tua w/ a bit better arm and better intermediate accuracy

 

  Re Levis, not a fan. My comp is Jake Locker.

   

[MikeCurtis]

On 1/19/2023 at 11:21 AM, DaColts85 said:

I don’t know about that one. I just can’t see Ballard trading down from 4 knowing the pressure he has on himself. But I have been wrong before and will be again. Richardson has some good potential but we would need a very good OC and QB coach to work with him and build a system for him. 

This is NOT a crazy idea, but not my first option

 

AND..... this move could spell doom to Ballard, if it doesnt work

 

Richardson has by far, the highest ceiling in this draft

 

But his floor is in basement parking level six  

 

If we stay at 4 and Stroud AND Young are taken in front of us

 

(Stroud is my first choice, Young is second) 

 

If they think that Richardson is the long term best answer.......  This is a BIG IF...  You find a way to bring him on

 

This would mean that you would HAVE to get a QB for 1-2 years that can come in and play

 

Garapolo?

 

Richardson is NOT ready for the NFL