Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[Yoshinator]

55 minutes ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

Well, if we want to win a super bowl again, Arch Manning is our best hope.

 

I know we wont get him, as we draft a decent QB in this years draft and become a mediocre team.... but thee team that land arch manning will dominate the NFL in the next 10-12 years when he enters the league.  

neightmare... not a dream but nightmare

Arch Manning isn't even Peyton or Elis son. There's no guarantee he'll be good at all. I'd rather have Stroud this year than get Arch.

[jvan1973]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

Arch Manning isn't even Peyton or Elis son. There's no guarantee he'll be good at all. I'd rather have Stroud this year than get Arch.

Arch will be the most college ready QB ever.    Still doesn't mean he will be great.   Just like any other player

[Indyfan4life]

1 hour ago, ThorstenDenmark said:

With the 4th overall pick the Indianapolis Colts select... wait we have a trade, the Las Vegas Raiders have traded their 7th pick, and next years 1st round pick and QB Derek Carr to the Indianapolis colts. 

 

New Colts HC Jon Gruden is beyond happy with Chris Ballards trade and Jim Irsay is smiling all over his face. 

What a great day to be a colts fan. 

I’d rather stub my big toe everyday for the rest of my life than that happen. 

[#12.]

Reading lists of what people predict the Bears will get for #1, I'm starting to think the Colts will stay put or do a Trubisky-type deal with Arizona to guarantee they don't go away empty handed. I have serious doubts Ballard would draft Young and the difference between Stroud and Levis isn't worth multiple high draft picks.  

[Nevbot]

When discussing Seattle, people are quick to forget that Gino Smith is a free agent and will absolutely attract an offer that is close to that of starter money.  25-30 million a year for 2-3 years sounds about right.  Is Seattle willing to bring Geno back now that he is no longer a cheap option for them?  I doubt it, especially with all of the draft collateral that they currently have.  While Geno had a great season, I feel strongly that he will get more money from another team than Seattle wants to pay a "bridge QB".

I actually think that trading with Arizona for pick #3 is the safest bet and will cost the least amount to do it.  This hinges on if Ballard (like a lot of us) views the top QBs in this draft as about equal and interchangeable and not without faults. Because he knows that he must take one of them, getting to 3 guarantees it.  Being at 4 may leave us on the outside looking in if one or even two teams decide to trade up- and we may not know that until minutes before we are on the clock. In true Ballard fashion, I expect him to make his move up well before draft day as opposed to waiting. 

Getting to 4 was, unquestionably, crucial to us getting one of the top 3 guys without having to give up our future in draft collateral. I can't imagine that Arizona wouldn't listen if we offered a 2nd (or  3rd) round pick and Buckner to move up one spot.  

 

 

 

[BigO]

I am very worried that the colts keep Ballard and he trades down and takes Levis. I could see him doing that, the QB whisperer he is. Ha Ha!

[JColts72]

6 minutes ago, BigO said:

I am very worried that the colts keep Ballard and he trades down and takes Levis. I could see him doing that, the QB whisperer he is. Ha Ha!

Trade down to get Richardson perhaps?

[Mitch Connors]

If there is a QB the Colts love they need to trade with the Bears and get him. If you believe the QB is the future of the franchise you get him - this is not the time to be tight with picks or to gamble they'll be there later. 

 

I also think the cost will be much cheaper for the Colts than anyone else (unless someone moves to 3 and then to 1 - which I doubt) because trading with us guarantees them one of the two DE's. They trade to 5 or lower and there's a good chance they miss out. Win/Win trade partners.

[ProblChld32]

I could cry tears of joy right now. After all of this QB Turnover we finally have a shot at a potential Franchise QB.

[ProblChld32]

40 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

If there is a QB the Colts love they need to trade with the Bears and get him. If you believe the QB is the future of the franchise you get him - this is not the time to be tight with picks or to gamble they'll be there later. 

 

I also think the cost will be much cheaper for the Colts than anyone else (unless someone moves to 3 and then to 1 - which I doubt) because trading with us guarantees them one of the two DE's. They trade to 5 or lower and there's a good chance they miss out. Win/Win trade partners.

With our connection with the Bears franchise it probably wouldn’t cost that much to trade up, but if the cost is steep I don’t think trading up would be worth it. You still have other positions that need to be addressed.

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, Nevbot said:

When discussing Seattle, people are quick to forget that Gino Smith is a free agent and will absolutely attract an offer that is close to that of starter money.  25-30 million a year for 2-3 years sounds about right.  Is Seattle willing to bring Geno back now that he is no longer a cheap option for them?  I doubt it, especially with all of the draft collateral that they currently have.  While Geno had a great season, I feel strongly that he will get more money from another team than Seattle wants to pay a "bridge QB".

I actually think that trading with Arizona for pick #3 is the safest bet and will cost the least amount to do it.  This hinges on if Ballard (like a lot of us) views the top QBs in this draft as about equal and interchangeable and not without faults. Because he knows that he must take one of them, getting to 3 guarantees it.  Being at 4 may leave us on the outside looking in if one or even two teams decide to trade up- and we may not know that until minutes before we are on the clock. In true Ballard fashion, I expect him to make his move up well before draft day as opposed to waiting. 

Getting to 4 was, unquestionably, crucial to us getting one of the top 3 guys without having to give up our future in draft collateral. I can't imagine that Arizona wouldn't listen if we offered a 2nd (or  3rd) round pick and Buckner to move up one spot.  

 

 

 

Seattle can franchise Smith for a year and not invest on a long term deal.  Draft a quarterback this year as well.

[#12.]

38 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

If there is a QB the Colts love they need to trade with the Bears and get him. If you believe the QB is the future of the franchise you get him - this is not the time to be tight with picks or to gamble they'll be there later. 

 

I also think the cost will be much cheaper for the Colts than anyone else (unless someone moves to 3 and then to 1 - which I doubt) because trading with us guarantees them one of the two DE's. They trade to 5 or lower and there's a good chance they miss out. Win/Win trade partners.

 

It's still going to be very expensive and we won't be their only suitors.

 

 

[GoColts8818]

11 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

With our connection with the Bears franchise it probably wouldn’t cost that much to trade up, but if the cost is steep I don’t think trading up would be worth it. You still have other positions that need to be addressed.

The Bears aren’t going to give the Colts a discount just because they know the Colts.  They might be more willing to trade with the Colts because they like the people who run the team but the Colts are going to have to meet their price.

[Bravo]

10 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

With our connection with the Bears franchise it probably wouldn’t cost that much to trade up, but if the cost is steep I don’t think trading up would be worth it. You still have other positions that need to be addressed.

Relationships aren’t going to change the costs. They will just make the negotiations easier.

 

Bears aren’t going to give the Colts a discount because they like them, they may however like certain players the Colts have and hold them at higher value than other teams would and the 4th pick is pretty darn intriguing so the Bears could trade back and still grab the defensive guy they wanted.

 

Asking price for 1 is going to be STEEP either way.

[Smonroe]

9 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

The Bears aren’t going to give the Colts a discount just because they know the Colts.  They might be more willing to trade with the Colts because they like the people who run the team but the Colts are going to have to meet their price.

Probably a swap, our 2 and a 4 would do it normally.   But maybe not this year.  

Even if the Colts are in love with Levis, we need to move to at least 3.  But I won’t mind giving up those picks and even a player to the Bears.  They will get other offers.  

 

[Mitch Connors]

If I understand the charts correctly (and they're reasonably accurate) a trade would be something like this:

 

 Colts get #1 

 Bears get #4, #35, #67 and 2024 second round pick. 

 

[richard pallo]

11 minutes ago, ProblChld32 said:

With our connection with the Bears franchise it probably wouldn’t cost that much to trade up, but if the cost is steep I don’t think trading up would be worth it. You still have other positions that need to be addressed.

The last time a team traded from 4 to 1 it cost a future 1st and 5th and current year 2nd.  

[throwing BBZ]

1 hour ago, BigO said:

I am very worried that the colts keep Ballard and he trades down and takes Levis. I could see him doing that, the QB whisperer he is. Ha Ha!

 

  Irsay will be making the pick no matter the GM.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This actually isn’t that bad.

 

 

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This actually isn’t that bad.

 

 

I'd trade JT and Pitt to Eberflus and save some draft capital.  CHI needs WRs and a star RB to keep the pressure off of Fields.

[buccolts]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This actually isn’t that bad.

 

 

Are those assumed to include the current year 1st?

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This actually isn’t that bad.

 

 

Ballard is very good when it comes to moving up and down in the draft.  Just saying.

1 minute ago, buccolts said:

Are those assumed to include the current year 1st?

Yes.

[Two_pound]

If we could move up to 1st for a third this year and a 2nd next years draft I would do that without hesitation. And then pick Stroud.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, buccolts said:

Are those assumed to include the current year 1st?

But they are not giving up this years first. They would be taking a QB.

[#12.]

Prices have been going up.  Probably closer to the RGIII trade.  

 

 

 

 

[throwing BBZ]

11 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I'd trade JT and Pitt to Eberflus and save some draft capital.  CHI needs WRs and a star RB to keep the pressure off of Fields.

 

 And throw in Moore, MO, Kelly, and Granson to close the deal.

[DougDew]

5 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 And throw in Moore, MO, Kelly, and Granson to close the deal.

I think that we are stuck with the Q, Smith, and Buck contracts, but JT and Pitt are big contracts that are looming.  I don't think the timing of paying them with the addition of a rookie starting QB marries well.   Sign a vet WR to help the rook, and a vet RB that can pass block, and draft a tough runner mid to late.  Pair with Moss.

[Coltsbluefan]

Irsay and Ballard will be crazy to trade a future 1st rounder to move up 3 spots to take a QB that could be a bust.I say we stay where we’re at and take Jalen Carter or Will Anderson Jr and with our 35th pick take Hooker at QB.

[richard pallo]

20 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I'd trade JT and Pitt to Eberflus and save some draft capital.  CHI needs WRs and a star RB to keep the pressure off of Fields.

Harbaugh won’t trade JT.

[Coltsbluefan]

Bears fans would love nothing more than to rub it in our face and trade a kings ransom to move up with them and then our pick turn out to be a bust.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

I think that we are stuck with the Q, Smith, and Buck contracts, but JT and Pitt are big contracts that are looming.  I don't think the timing of paying them with the addition of a rookie marries well.   Sign a vet WR to help the rook, and a vet RB that can pass block, and draft a tough runner mid to late.  Pair with Moss.

This is such a good point. I can’t remember which podcast I was listening too but they mentioned that is  why Polian traded Faulk. He said he wanted a RB that would be peaking at the same time as the rest of the offense. Pittman could probably be ok with that but not a RB. Bengals are kind of doing that where their young guys are growing together and will be at their peaks at the same time.

[Believe blue1306]

Stroud and Marvin connection coming to the colts!! Lol

[DougDew]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This is such a good point. I can’t remember which podcast I was listening too but they mentioned that is  why Polian traded Faulk. He said he wanted a RB that would be peaking at the same time as the rest of the offense. Pittman could probably be ok with that but not a RB. Bengals are kind of doing that where their young guys are growing together and will be at their peaks at the same time.

I also think that a rookie QB needs a pass blocking RB and a dump off artist more than he needs a big play maker.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This is such a good point. I can’t remember which podcast I was listening too but they mentioned that is  why Polian traded Faulk. He said he wanted a RB that would be peaking at the same time as the rest of the offense. Pittman could probably be ok with that but not a RB. Bengals are kind of doing that where their young guys are growing together and will be at their peaks at the same time.

Hard telling what will happen but most teams that are successful go RB by committee and have good QB's and have at least 2 very good WR's. I remember when we let Edge go and chose to sign Reggie instead, I wasn't happy but it paid off because between Addai and Rhodes they produced Edge numbers when combined and we had Reggie and Marvin and won the SB. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

I hope we keep Taylor but I have to say Moss looks pretty good.

[#12.]

Remember, we're thinking of this from a Stroud vs. Levis standpoint, and given Ballard's beliefs when it comes to physical traits that is probably the smart thing to do, but if some team is fine with Young's size, the Bears will get a king's ransom for the #1 pick.  Some team will pay a hefty, hefty price for it, if they believe Young is special and they're fine with his size.

[buccolts]

8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I hope we keep Taylor but I have to say Moss looks pretty good.

How was Moss' pass pro? I didn't pay attention to that.

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, buccolts said:

How was Moss' pass pro? I didn't pay attention to that.

To be honest I really didn't either much  . I would have to go back and study it. I just seen where he was running hard on every play and he bull dozes people at times. 

[richard pallo]

16 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I hope we keep Taylor but I have to say Moss looks pretty good.

Moss wasn’t playing much in Buffalo and they don’t have a good running game.  Allen is also their running game for the most part.  Hines isn’t playing much as a running back for them as well.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Moss wasn’t playing much in Buffalo and they don’t have a good running game.  Allen is also their running game for the most part.  Hines isn’t playing much as a running back for them as well.

Moss looks strong here, I think he is averaging 5 yards a carry, if not close. Hines had 2 kickoff return TD's yesterday. I still hated to see him go.