Why we lost? Our GM let this guy go for peanuts and paid our 20 million for this OL play.

[Goatface Killah]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

If you can’t use hindsight how in the h*** can you evaluate a draft?
 

Difference between Ballard and us is Ballard gets paid BIG money to evaluate talent make the right decisions.

By judging the picks he actually made and how they worked out.

[Mitch Connors]

14 hours ago, Scott Pennock said:

And for all of you STILL yammering on about getting a Franchise QB……name one realistic scenario where he (Ballard) could have from the moment Luck retired one week before the season started…..  

 

I’ll wait….

Define realistic.

He could have had Jimmy G for certain, Russel Wilson was a definite possibility, and they probably could have had Desean Watson too. Ballard chose not to. He. Chose. Not. To. Again. And. Again. And. Again. 

 

Now this is the part where you say you dont want any of those guys (which is fine) but he COULD have done it but he didn't.

[NewColtsFan]

24 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Remember...."It's a marathon... not a sprint"

Words to live by….     But this fan base does not appear to have much patience….

[Goatface Killah]

2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Yep.  but no one G of the five needs to be elite.     

 

Nelson can grade in the 80s all season long, and the sacks will go down and the ypc go up only when the LT, RG, C, and RT begin to grade better than they have.  Other teams' other olinemen get good grades without their teams spending $20 million on a G....why can't we?

 

 

 

You arent making any sense Doug. 

 

We arent even paying him that much right now. 

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, Mitch Connors said:

Define realistic.

He could have had Jimmy G for certain, Russel Wilson was a definite possibility, and they probably could have had Desean Watson too. Ballard chose not to. He. Chose. Not. To. Again. And. Again. And. Again. 

 

Now this is the part where you say you dont want any of those guys (which is fine) but he COULD have done it but he didn't.

Can’t speaking to Jimmy G or Wilson but it was reported that they did inquire about Watson and the Texans said no just like most here said they would.  So rather than speculating about what people want to be true it would be good to use what is true.

 

Also, while the fumbles are an issue Matt Ryan has been very good outside of the Jags game (where everyone pretty much sucked) when he’s had time to throw.  He’s not the issue.  Heck the young WRs are not the issue.  The issue on offense are two things that should not be an issue.  The line and running game.  

[cdgacoltsfan]

3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Words to live by….     But this fan base does not appear to have much patience….

I was quoting your words.

[Mitch Connors]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Can’t speaking to Jimmy G or Wilson but it was reported that they did inquire about Watson and the Texans said no just like most here said they would.  So rather than speculating about what people want to be true it would be good to use what is true.

 

Also, while the fumbles are an issue Matt Ryan has been very good outside of the Jags game (where everyone pretty much sucked) when he’s had time to throw.  He’s not the issue.  Heck the young WRs are not the issue.  The issue on offense are two things that should not be an issue.  The line and running game.  

That's dodging the point. He said to give an example of one time Ballard could have gotten a franchise QB since Luck. 

Feel free to remove Watson and we're still left with Wilson and Jimmy G and there is no disputing the COlts could have had them if Ballard valued QB even remotely. 

[csmopar]

5 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

Define realistic.

He could have had Jimmy G for certain, Russel Wilson was a definite possibility, and they probably could have had Desean Watson too. Ballard chose not to. He. Chose. Not. To. Again. And. Again. And. Again. 

 

Now this is the part where you say you dont want any of those guys (which is fine) but he COULD have done it but he didn't.

I’d wager a bet that he was looking at all options. We will never know the details of who turned who down. There was a clip

predraft that talked about the trades and everything, I think it was Rapport who said that in any given year, for every completed traded, there’s usually 5-10 trades that don’t happen for a variety of reasons. 

[Goatface Killah]

5 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

Define realistic.

He could have had Jimmy G for certain, Russel Wilson was a definite possibility, and they probably could have had Desean Watson too. Ballard chose not to. He. Chose. Not. To. Again. And. Again. And. Again. 

 

Now this is the part where you say you dont want any of those guys (which is fine) but he COULD have done it but he didn't.

Russel Wilson got booed by his home fans in the home opener. He has been horrific. 

 

Ill take Ryan over Jimmy G or Wilson for a quarter of a billion dollars.

 

These suggestions stink. 

[csmopar]

Just now, Mitch Connors said:

That's dodging the point. He said to give an example of one time Ballard could have gotten a franchise QB since Luck. 

Feel free to remove Watson and we're still left with Wilson and Jimmy G and there is no disputing the COlts could have had them if Ballard valued QB even remotely. 

And you know this based on what? Wilson had a no trade clause that let him essentially pick where he went. You have no idea if we inquired or not.

 

Jimmy G, I’m not sure if he had a no trade clause or not but we also don’t know if the 49ers wanted to actually trade him or not. Seeing how no other team managed to pry him from them 

[RollerColt]

8 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

Define realistic.

He could have had Jimmy G for certain, Russel Wilson was a definite possibility, and they probably could have had Desean Watson too. Ballard chose not to. He. Chose. Not. To. Again. And. Again. And. Again. 

 

Now this is the part where you say you dont want any of those guys (which is fine) but he COULD have done it but he didn't.

Ya lost me at Watson... No way he should be allowed near our facilities. Jimmy G, not sure if he'd fare too much better than what Ryan's dealing with. Wilson would've wanted $$$ and Seattle wanted multiple picks for that trade. 

[PRnum1]

I would forget about Hurts, Tua and Herbert.

 

That is all water under the bridge at this point.

 

The bigger question is why not spend a 3rd round pick on Desmond Ridder from Cincy ?  He looks to be quite the player, big arm, mobile and tough.  He led his team to the college football championships losing to Alabama.

 

A 3rd rounder is well worth the risk.

 

Sometimes if you know how to scout QB's, you don't have to always draft in the top 5.

 

That is my biggest concern with Ballard.  Does he know how to scout a QB ?

 

It was well reported that this was a weak QB draft, but Ridder will prove to be a diamond in the rough.

[GoColts8818]

5 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

That's dodging the point. He said to give an example of one time Ballard could have gotten a franchise QB since Luck. 

Feel free to remove Watson and we're still left with Wilson and Jimmy G and there is no disputing the COlts could have had them if Ballard valued QB even remotely. 

It’s not dodging the point it’s pointing out one of the guys he said they should have gotten they did try to get and were told no.  Sorry the facts in that case don’t support what you want to be true.  
 

I said first thing I can’t speak to Wilson to Jimmy G but Ryan has been every bit as good as Jimmy G this season if not better if you get past the fumbling issue which you can’t over look but that points to the bigger problem, the line which would still be an issue regardless of who the QB is.  Wilson hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire in Denver either.  
 

Yes the fumbles MUST be cleaned up but beyond that QB isn’t the Colts issue on offense.  It’s the line.  All the issues point to that and when it’s the highest paid line in the league that’s where the blame should start if they are struggling like they are.

[Shive]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

If we want to be .500 team we should continue doing what Ballard is doing. Every 2 years, go get the best available 35 year old vet. Let Ryan play out his contract, escort him to the retirement home, then trade a 2nd or 3d for Cousins/Carr... Rinse and repeat. We should go get our QB of the future in the draft not because it's guaranteed we will hit... but because the alternative is MUCH MUCH WORSE and HOPELESS. Yes, we very well might miss on a QB in the draft. And when we miss... the answer should not be go get the 35 year old vet on his last legs. The answer should be - try again... and again... and again... until you hit. There are no easy or surefire options. Getting the franchise QB is the hardest task in the league, but also the most rewarding one when you hit. That's why we should pursue it and not give up until we hit. 

I don't think that's what we should do, but I also don't think we should follow in the footsteps of the Browns or other teams that spent near a decade giving up significant draft capital for terrible 1st round QBs. I haven't been a fan of the rotating door at QB, but I think Matt Ryan gives us the best combination of possible success right now and allowing a QB we draft to sit and learn for at least a season. This coming offseason looks to be the most ideal moment for us to get our QB of the future. The biggest question is who is the right QB and what are we willing to give up to go get him?

 

35 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

U listen to any good GM. They say a good D and O line has an edge. It is a very physical postion to play and u have be after  the guys. In essence, a good line coach is some what of a jerk.

You're making the assumption that the personality of the OL is largely dictated by the personality of their OL coach, which just isn't the case. What other teams have OL coaches that are considered jerks, which ones don't, and how well do their OL perform?

 

Again, an OL coach that was here 4 years ago leaving after 1 season isn't the reason we're seeing the regression we're seeing this season. It's a played out excuse that just doesn't hold any weight.

 

To your assumption that demeanor of OL coaches directly correlates to the demeanor of the OL, we also have Kevin Mawae as the Assistant OL coach and he's a guy that played mean as well. That's not it.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This team has gotten worse w

8 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Can’t speaking to Jimmy G or Wilson but it was reported that they did inquire about Watson and the Texans said no just like most here said they would.  So rather than speculating about what people want to be true it would be good to use what is true.

 

Also, while the fumbles are an issue Matt Ryan has been very good outside of the Jags game (where everyone pretty much sucked) when he’s had time to throw.  He’s not the issue.  Heck the young WRs are not the issue.  The issue on offense are two things that should not be an issue.  The line and running game.  

You can’t take the fumbles out when it’s costing you drives.

[NewColtsFan]

6 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I was quoting your words.

Ok….   But what’s your point?    I haven’t defended Frank.    I haven’t defended Ballard.    I’ve predicted Frank won’t be our HC next year.    And I’ve said Ballard is likely 50-50. 

So what’s your point again?   

[GoColts8818]

Just now, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

This team has gotten worse w

You can’t take the fumbles out when it’s costing you drives.

I didn’t.  I said they are an issue.

[Mitch Connors]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

And you know this based on what? Wilson had a no trade clause that let him essentially pick where he went. You have no idea if we inquired or not.

 

Jimmy G, I’m not sure if he had a no trade clause or not but we also don’t know if the 49ers wanted to actually trade him or not. Seeing how no other team managed to pry him from them 

You guys are ridiculous. This is your logic:

 

Ballard has never had a chance to eat a meal in his whole time in Indy. 

 

I show you him passing on lunch at McDonald's and dinner at Subway. 

THEN you say, well those two places suck and I wouldn't eat there anyway. Thats. Not. The. Point.

 

 

 

 

[RollerColt]

Just now, NewColtsFan said:

Ok….   But what’s your point?    I haven’t defended Frank.    I haven’t defended Ballard.    I’ve predicted Frank won’t be our HC next year.    And I’ve said Ballard is likely 50-50. 

So what’s your point again?   

You need to pound your fist on the table harder and shout to the heavens how bad the team is, so every fan in the U.S. understands... 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

I would forget about Hurts, Tua and Herbert.

 

That is all water under the bridge at this point.

 

The bigger question is why not spend a 3rd round pick on Desmond Ridder from Cincy ?  He looks to be quite the player, big arm, mobile and tough.  He led his team to the college football championships losing to Alabama.

 

A 3rd rounder is well worth the risk.

 

Sometimes if you know how to scout QB's, you don't have to always draft in the top 5.

 

That is my biggest concern with Ballard.  Does he know how to scout a QB ?

 

It was well reported that this was a weak QB draft, but Ridder will prove to be a diamond in the rough.

This is why I don’t want him selecting our next QB.

[Solid84]

18 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

By judging the picks he actually made and how they worked out.

Yes…. Hindsight…

[Goatface Killah]

2 minutes ago, PRnum1 said:

I would forget about Hurts, Tua and Herbert.

 

That is all water under the bridge at this point.

 

The bigger question is why not spend a 3rd round pick on Desmond Ridder from Cincy ?  He looks to be quite the player, big arm, mobile and tough.  He led his team to the college football championships losing to Alabama.

 

A 3rd rounder is well worth the risk.

 

Sometimes if you know how to scout QB's, you don't have to always draft in the top 5.

 

That is my biggest concern with Ballard.  Does he know how to scout a QB ?

 

It was well reported that this was a weak QB draft, but Ridder will prove to be a diamond in the rough.

Why do you have so much faith in a guy who has yet to play a game?

 

And why are you acting like Ballard failed to aee the talent in a guy who hasnt proven anything?

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, Mitch Connors said:

You guys are ridiculous. This is your logic:

 

Ballard has never had a chance to eat a meal in his whole time in Indy. 

 

I show you him passing on lunch at McDonald's and dinner at Subway. 

THEN you say, well those two places suck and I wouldn't eat there anyway. Thats. Not. The. Point.

The point is, most of us agree with you that we need a long term solution at QB. We just don't like the options you presented. I want a young QB on a rookie deal that allows us to get weapons through FA. Take advantage of that rookie deal before we have to start the re-signing process where everything gets more complicated. 

[NewColtsFan]

6 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

That's dodging the point. He said to give an example of one time Ballard could have gotten a franchise QB since Luck. 

Feel free to remove Watson and we're still left with Wilson and Jimmy G and there is no disputing the COlts could have had them if Ballard valued QB even remotely. 

Everyone could’ve had Jimmy G.   No one did because no one knew what was going on with JG’s arm which had been operated on in February.   That scared off all buyers.  
 

Wilson was always a pipe dream.   Denver had the players and picks to make a deal, we did not.   Plus Wilson and his wife were never coming to Indy.   They’re happy in Denver.   It’s close to Seattle and it’s close to California.   Wilson to Indy was never happening. 

[Goatface Killah]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

Yes…. Hindsight…

No thats not the same thing at all.

 

He picked Michael Pittman. Everybody wanted a receiver at the time. Pittmans a stud. Good pick. 

 

Thats not using hindsight, thats just evaluating what happened. 

[Goatface Killah]

4 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

You guys are ridiculous. This is your logic:

 

Ballard has never had a chance to eat a meal in his whole time in Indy. 

 

I show you him passing on lunch at McDonald's and dinner at Subway. 

THEN you say, well those two places suck and I wouldn't eat there anyway. Thats. Not. The. Point.

 

 

 

 

Yes it is the point. 

 

He decided he didnt want to do that, for good reason. 

[DougDew]

BTW, if we are talking about alternative QBs we could have had last spring,  Marcus Mariota is playing pretty well for ATL. 

 

 Could have had him easily, yet the rumor was that the Colts were going to sign Jameis Winston instead....LOL.

[GoColts8818]

12 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

You need to pound your fist on the table harder and shout to the heavens how bad the team is, so every fan in the U.S. understands... 

I mean if all front office and coaches aren’t fired by tonight and all the players aren’t cut and all replaced by guys who somehow never ever lose a game again by tomorrow I am out.  Wait never losing again isn’t good enough they need to win by 50 every game or burn it down again.

 

okay clearly that’s pretty heavy on the sarcasm.  I get being frustrated I really do.  I get wanting changes.  I want changes too however this isn’t January where you can blow everything up and start over and build a better team.  It’s October their options are limited at this point.  If they fire Frank they are looking at replacing him with Bradley or Fox.  I am sorry I don’t see either guy being that attractive of an option and I don’t think either guy is going to make this team better.  In fact I think they will make them worse.  So their best hope for this season is to hope the team gets better as Frank’s teams have in the past.  If they don’t I fully expect people are going to get the changes they want after the season.  So have a little patience either the team turns it around starts winning which is what people want or they don’t and people get fired at the end of the season in effort to find people who will win which is what people want.  Either way you get what you want.

[Solid84]

3 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

No thats not the same thing at all.

 

He picked Michael Pittman. Everybody wanted a receiver at the time. Pittmans a stud. Good pick. 

 

Thats not using hindsight, thats just evaluating what happened. 

Ok, language thing. My bad. 
 

I’d still say you can’t really judge a GM without hindsight. If a GM continuously pass on great players in favour of good players you have to take that into account, right? Sure a good player will work out decently well, but you need great players to make a contender. You still have to compare what was picked, gotten in FA or traded to what was available at the time?

[Goatface Killah]

4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

BTW, if we are talking about alternative QBs we could have had last spring,  Marcus Mariota is playing pretty well for ATL. 

 

 Could have had him easily, yet the rumor was that the Colts were going to sign Jameis Winston instead....LOL.

Marcus Mariota hasnt been very good at all.

[Goatface Killah]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

Ok, language thing. My bad. 
 

I’d still say you can’t really judge a GM without hindsight. If a GM continuously pass on great players in favour of good players you have to take that into account, right? Sure a good player will work out decently well, but you need great players to make a contender. You still have to compare what was picked, gotten in FA or traded to what was available at the time?

Every single GM does that sometimes. You could make a case to fire anybody if you evaluate it like that.

[DougDew]

3 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

Marcus Mariota hasnt been very good at all.

I've watched every ATL game this year and he is playing pretty well.    Better than the very good big name NFL QBs, no. 

 

Better than the other FA QBs we could have had, yes.

[Solid84]

1 minute ago, Goatface Killah said:

Every single GM does that sometimes. You could make a case to fire anybody if you evaluate it like that.

Sure, but the difference between an avg. GM and a great GM is the frequency of the “sometimes”. That’s not a reason to accept mediocracy. 

[Goatface Killah]

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

Sure, but the difference between an avg. GM and a great GM is the frequency of the “sometimes”. That’s not a reason to accept mediocracy. 

But Ballards drafting record is very good, so I dont really follow the logic here. He has drafted 3 first team All Pro players and landed quality players at every level of the draft. 

 

 

 

 

[Goatface Killah]

6 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I've watched every ATL game this year and he is playing pretty well.    Better than the very good big name NFL QBs, no. 

 

Better than the other FA QBs we could have had, yes.

You would be %ting all over the dude if he was our starting QB doug, lets not act like we missed the boat.

[Solid84]

5 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I've watched every ATL game this year and he is playing pretty well.    Better than the very good big name NFL QBs, no. 

 

Better than the other FA QBs we could have had, yes.

See, I’d be perfectly fine with building around a good-ish QB until we find THE GUY. But this continuous QB-shuffling is getting old. Fast. 
 

I didn’t like Wentz by the end of last season, but was still advocating for keeping him - for the sake of continuity. 

[csmopar]

34 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

You guys are ridiculous. This is your logic:

 

Ballard has never had a chance to eat a meal in his whole time in Indy. 

 

I show you him passing on lunch at McDonald's and dinner at Subway. 

THEN you say, well those two places suck and I wouldn't eat there anyway. Thats. Not. The. Point.

 

 

 

 

I’m not saying Ballard hasn’t had his chances, I’m just saying we will never know what menu he’s looked at is my entire point

[GoColts8818]

7 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

You would be %ting all over the dude if he was our starting QB doug, lets not act like we missed the boat.

Yeah Colts fans are having a really bad case of the grass MUST be greener on the other side today at QB.  
 

I think fans are missing the forest for the trees too.  When he’s been protected Matt Ryan has been really good in three of four games.  Yesterday should have been the Colts night mare, a team completely shuts the ground game down and they have to go to the air and depend on these young receivers.  What happened?  Ryan looked really good when the protection held up.  
 

This issue with the pass game is the samething with the lack of a ground game, their highest paid line in the NFL isn’t playing anything like it.  

[Mitch Connors]

26 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

Yes it is the point. 

 

He decided he didnt want to do that, for good reason. 

Good reason? You know this team is 1-2-1 and dead last in points per game? Our current QB has fumbled 9 times and thrown 5 ints. You're seriously suggesting that his reasoning is proven to be good when looking at QB?

[csmopar]

13 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

But Ballards drafting record is very good, so I dont really follow the logic here. He has drafted 3 first team All Pro players and landed quality players at every level of the draft. 

 

 

 

 

Most on here bashing him are whining about the same thing, QB or WR. Or both. 

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

Yeah Colts fans are having a really bad case of the grass MUST be greener on the other side today at QB.  
 

I think fans are missing the forest for the trees too.  When he’s been protected Matt Ryan has been really good in three of four games.  Yesterday should have been the Colts night mare, a team completely shuts the ground game down and they have to go to the air and depend on these young receivers.  What happened?  Ryan looked really good when the protection held up.  
 

This issue with the pass game is the samething with the lack of a ground game, their highest paid line in the NFL isn’t playing anything like it.  

Ding ding!