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General Offense Comments
Ryan better. Reich allowed a few aggressive calls, so thankful... Right OL still bad. Opponent D seem continue to play shallow/condensed. Making it harder on running and short passing. More aggressive passing would help. 

 

General Group Comments

  • QB - 73% and 2/0. And #13 QBR. Still 5 sacks again, 2 weeks in a row... 
  • RB - very meh
  • TE - Less Granson, and more Woods..... was good. 
  • WR - Awesome using Pierce how we should, thanks, #1 grade.... Please Dulin in slot now, and Parris at Z please.. 
  • OL - Still right side... ouch.... Great game by Pryor. 78 grade and #2! Some folks complaining about Pryor after the game... did you watch the same game? lol... 

 

Note - now bolding/coloring names.

 

 

  • QB
    • Ryan (75 - 2021 PFF)
      • Snaps% - 100/96/100/
      • PFF - 59-1 INT/55-3/55/
      • PR (90) - 83/34/106/
      • QBR (46) - 48/6/58/
      • Note - PR/QBR good, and 2/0. More please. 5 sacks again, 2 weeks in a row... 
    • Foles (60) - NA
    • Ehlinger - NA
  • RB
    • Taylor (87)
      • Snaps% - 76/74/76/
      • PFF - 69/67/66/
      • Note - still meh (comparable) grading,
    • Hines (73)
      • Snaps% - 28/30/45/
      • PFF - 66/68/65/
      • Notes - IDK... and more snaps... 
    • Jackson
      • Snaps% - NA/4/NA/
      • PFF - NA/53/NA/
  • TE1
    • Alie-Cox (66)
      • Snaps% - 54/54/59/
      • PFF - 71/59/57/
      • Note - a lot of blocking... no 6th OL this game with Raimann out
  • TE2
    • Granson (59)
      • Snaps% - 55/54/42/
      • PFF - 45/50/54/
      • Note: great STs
    • Woods (rook)
      • Snaps% - 9/16/23/
      • PFF - NA/53/67
      • Note: Nice
  • WR1
    • Pittman (78)
      • Snaps% - 98/NA/94/
      • PFF - 78/NA/77/
    • Dulin (60)
      • Snaps% - 35/64/25/
      • PFF - 71/78/74/
      • Note: reduced snaps... slot please
  • WR2
    • Campbell (63)
      • Snaps% - 77/86/82/
      • PFF - 60/53/50/
      • Note - 2 of 2, but hated calls. let him play outside, and vert
  • WR3
    • Pierce (rook)
      • Snaps% - 51/NA/45/
      • PFF - 40/NA/56/
      • Note: Great big plays. #1 grade! Now need consistency!
    • Strachan (62)
      • Snaps% - 12/70/8/
      • PFF - 88/74/72/
      • Note - did they turn him into Pascal... 
    • Patmon (65)
      • Snaps% - NA/48/NA/
      • PFF - NA/55/NA/
      • Note - 6 targets? from a guy didn't dressed last week..... 
  • LT
    • Pryor (77-0 Sacks)
      • Snaps% - 87/70/100/
      • PFF - 65/59-1/68/
      • Note: 2nd highest grade
    • Raimann (rook)
      • Snaps% - 17/30/NA/
      • PFF - 73/73/NA/
      • Note - try out after RG or RT?
  • LG
    • Nelson (69-1)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 82/75-1/75/
      • Note -
  • C
    • R Kelly (57-3)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 69/67/71/
      • Note: 
    • French - NA/
  • RG
    • Pinter (75-0)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 57/51/51-1/
      • Note -  
    • Fries - NA
  • RT
    • Smith (81-4)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 58-1/61/67/
      • Note - little better. no credited with another sack??? Out of 5 sacks, only 1 credited to OL... 
    • D Kelly - NA/
      • Note - time for D Kelly on somewhere at right side?
    • Tenuta - NA/

 

Good: 70+ (bold blue)
Average: 55-69 (normal)
Bad: Less 55 (bold red)

 

FYI 

  • Separated O and D grades (2 threads) this year. Too much (info/lines) last year. 
  • Snaps and PFF grades rounded (no XX.XX)
  • Snaps - per game (%, not # snaps)
  • PFF grade - not per game, current year's total grade
  • Color/bold text (good vs bad, and range) changed - see bottom
     
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3 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

 

General Offense Comments
Ryan better. Reich allowed a few aggressive calls, so thankful... Right OL still bad. Opponent D seem continue to play shallow/condensed. Making it harder on running and short passing. More aggressive passing would help. 

 

General Group Comments

  • QB - 73% and 2/0. And #13 QBR. Still 5 sacks again, 2 weeks in a row... 
  • RB - very meh
  • TE - Less Granson, and more Woods..... was good. 
  • WR - Awesome using Pierce how we should, thanks, #1 grade.... Please Dulin in slot now, and Parris at Z please.. 
  • OL - Still right side... ouch.... Great game by Pryor. 78 grade and #2! Some folks complaining about Pryor after the game... did you watch the same game? lol... 

 

Note - now bolding/coloring names.

 

 

  • QB
    • Ryan (75 - 2021 PFF)
      • Snaps% - 100/96/100/
      • PFF - 59-1 INT/55-3/55/
      • PR (90) - 83/34/106/
      • QBR (46) - 48/6/58/
      • Note - PR/QBR good, and 2/0. More please. 5 sacks again, 2 weeks in a row... 
    • Foles (60) - NA
    • Ehlinger - NA
  • RB
    • Taylor (87)
      • Snaps% - 76/74/76/
      • PFF - 69/67/66/
      • Note - still meh (comparable) grading,
    • Hines (73)
      • Snaps% - 28/30/45/
      • PFF - 66/68/65/
      • Notes - IDK... and more snaps... 
    • Jackson
      • Snaps% - NA/4/NA/
      • PFF - NA/53/NA/
  • TE1
    • Alie-Cox (66)
      • Snaps% - 54/54/59/
      • PFF - 71/59/57/
      • Note - a lot of blocking... no 6th OL this game with Raimann out
  • TE2
    • Granson (59)
      • Snaps% - 55/54/42/
      • PFF - 45/50/54/
      • Note: great STs
    • Woods (rook)
      • Snaps% - 9/16/23/
      • PFF - NA/53/67
      • Note: Nice
  • WR1
    • Pittman (78)
      • Snaps% - 98/NA/94/
      • PFF - 78/NA/77/
    • Dulin (60)
      • Snaps% - 35/64/25/
      • PFF - 71/78/74/
      • Note: reduced snaps... slot please
  • WR2
    • Campbell (63)
      • Snaps% - 77/86/82/
      • PFF - 60/53/50/
      • Note - 2 of 2, but hated calls. let him play outside, and vert
  • WR3
    • Pierce (rook)
      • Snaps% - 51/NA/45/
      • PFF - 40/NA/56/
      • Note: Great big plays. #1 grade! Now need consistency!
    • Strachan (62)
      • Snaps% - 12/70/8/
      • PFF - 88/74/72/
      • Note - did they turn him into Pascal... 
    • Patmon (65)
      • Snaps% - NA/48/NA/
      • PFF - NA/55/NA/
      • Note - 6 targets? from a guy didn't dressed last week..... 
  • LT
    • Pryor (77-0 Sacks)
      • Snaps% - 87/70/100/
      • PFF - 65/59-1/68/
      • Note: 2nd highest grade
    • Raimann (rook)
      • Snaps% - 17/30/NA/
      • PFF - 73/73/NA/
      • Note - try out after RG or RT?
  • LG
    • Nelson (69-1)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 82/75-1/75/
      • Note -
  • C
    • R Kelly (57-3)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 69/67/71/
      • Note: 
    • French - NA/
  • RG
    • Pinter (75-0)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 57/51/51-1/
      • Note -  
    • Fries - NA
  • RT
    • Smith (81-4)
      • Snaps% - 100/100/100/
      • PFF - 58-1/61/67/
      • Note - little better. no credited with another sack??? Out of 5 sacks, only 1 credited to OL... 
    • D Kelly - NA/
      • Note - time for D Kelly on somewhere at right side?
    • Tenuta - NA/

 

Good: 70+ (bold blue)
Average: 55-69 (normal)
Bad: Less 55 (bold red)

 

FYI 

  • Separated O and D grades (2 threads) this year. Too much (info/lines) last year. 
  • Snaps and PFF grades rounded (no XX.XX)
  • Snaps - per game (%, not # snaps)
  • PFF grade - not per game, current year's total grade
  • Color/bold text (good vs bad, and range) changed - see bottom
     

I was upset about the fourth and inches and JT got stuffed. I said why wasn't a QB sneak. Then they had a 4th and 1 QB sneak Matty got it easy. 

 

But I understand using JT I would have probably done the same thing. But when it comes too inches QB sneak it..lol 

 

East what would have been your call? 

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21 minutes ago, Maniac53 said:

I was upset about the fourth and inches and JT got stuffed. I said why wasn't a QB sneak. Then they had a 4th and 1 QB sneak Matty got it easy. 

 

But I understand using JT I would have probably done the same thing. But when it comes too inches QB sneak it..lol 

 

East what would have been your call? 

QB sneak with few inches... I agree. 

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  • Flanker and TE talent was better and allowed Frank to finally call more vertical plays, which he want's to do whenever the personnel is finally up to it.  Woods will likely play more vertically than Doyle.
  • Ryan's fumbles were more about the defender stripping the ball.  OTOH, HOU fumbles were on Ryan.
  • Pryor had his moments, both good and bad.
  • Pinter still showing this was a bad experiment.
  • The outside WRs will be manned by AP and Pitt going forward...for years.  Dulin and Parris both need to show something at slot with other being APs backup.  Need to be the water bug in the middle of the field...but I suspect neither have the talent for that.  Poor Frank.
  • Granson showed something this game.
  • Collectively, what do Mo and Hines make per year?  Just asking. 
  • And yet no lead blocker on the roster for JT in short yardage.  Ryan ain't gonna sneak it on 3rd or 4th and 1.5yds.  Get ready to see more cutsie play calls in short yardage.
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3 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

You think that’s scheme or the talent level? Either way it sadly illustrates that we need another playmaker on the team. Don’t think we have the time to wait for our receiving group to develop with the way the line has been playing 

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15 minutes ago, adubb84 said:

You think that’s scheme or the talent level? Either way it sadly illustrates that we need another playmaker on the team. Don’t think we have the time to wait for our receiving group to develop with the way the line has been playing 

Probably both... We don't have high end talent but Reich has been having trouble calling the games too... 

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35 minutes ago, adubb84 said:

You think that’s scheme or the talent level? Either way it sadly illustrates that we need another playmaker on the team. Don’t think we have the time to wait for our receiving group to develop with the way the line has been playing 

lack of talent

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Pryor was fine Sunday.  He wasn't great.  77 is a nice score for a game, but East you are a little gushy about your son Pryor's 77.  I mean it's not an 87.   Frank Clark hasn't been a major pass rusher for years and Pryor matches up with him better than he does a speed rusher. 

 

Pryor will do OK v these guys.  KCs strength is in the middle and the Purdue Rookie is disruptive with the athleticism.  Nice game Pryor.  Next week he will look bad again.  Write that down East.  The Titan front will cause him fits.  

 

Q is playing like a slightly above average guard.  Almost a JAG.  He looks that way, and he grades that way.

 

Our line is very disappointing to me.   It has to come together for us to be any good with it's spend. 

 

It' not even average right now,  and the returns are not commensurate with the salary by a wide, wide margin.  It might not get too much better because the highly paid vets have been far from special.  

 

Taylor is bang average right now.   Getting what's blocked and nothing more.  We need a longy or two from him this weekend.   He's as bad as it gets in Pass Pro, and should never see the field in 3rd and 6ish or more. 

 

Pierce made a nice strong handed catch that was good to see.  Big Woods certainly gives a RZ target.  Better than you other son Slow Mally.  Don't know if Woods will be involved in the middle of the field. 

 

Our offense was atrocious until after the UC call.  Horrendous.  Incompetent. Godawful.

 

I feel no better about them than I did after HOU or JAX. 

 

They gotter dun when gifted a chance at the end though.  There is something to that.  

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12 minutes ago, Nickster said:

Q is playing like a slightly above average guard.  Almost a JAG.  He looks that way, and he grades that way.

The offensive line video posted in another thread says that Kelly is being blamed by fans for some mistakes that are actually Nelson's.

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53 minutes ago, DougDew said:

The offensive line video posted in another thread says that Kelly is being blamed by fans for some mistakes that are actually Nelson's.

 

There were at least 2 times I remember on the Jumbo Tron when Kelly went to double the 1T and there was a miles wide lane in the A gap for blitzers.  Once, Kelly went to the IT with the RG and Q went to double the End and a LB or safety simply ran right in the gap.  

 

That we can't account for as to who blew it, but man Kelly and Q together with there vet years, that should never happen. 

 

JT is a total liability in pass pro too.  He graded like at 30 in the first two games.  Our pass pro is and has been bottom of the barrel.  I don't know if it will improve at this point.  Maybe it just is what it is now.  Hope not though.  It's crippling for the O> 

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14 minutes ago, Nickster said:

 

There were at least 2 times I remember on the Jumbo Tron when Kelly went to double the 1T and there was a miles wide lane in the A gap for blitzers.  Once, Kelly went to the IT with the RG and Q went to double the End and a LB or safety simply ran right in the gap.  

 

That we can't account for as to who blew it, but man Kelly and Q together with there vet years, that should never happen. 

 

JT is a total liability in pass pro too.  He graded like at 30 in the first two games.  Our pass pro is and has been bottom of the barrel.  I don't know if it will improve at this point.  Maybe it just is what it is now.  Hope not though.  It's crippling for the O> 

It seems that none of our RBs can block then...lead blocking in the running game or pass blocking.  Granson isn't known for his blocking either. 

 

No wonder the plays lack variety in certain packages.  The players themselves lack versatility.  "They do what they do" and not much else.

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16 minutes ago, DougDew said:

It seems that none of our RBs can block then...lead blocking in the running game or pass blocking.  Granson isn't known for his blocking either. 

 

No wonder the plays lack variety in certain packages.  The players themselves lack versatility.  "They do what they do" and not much else.

Hines is actually very good in pass pro, and supposed to be the pass guy.  Sometimes they have Taylor in on 3rd and long and it's another one of those head scratchers. 

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7 hours ago, DougDew said:
  • Flanker and TE talent was better and allowed Frank to finally call more vertical plays, which he want's to do whenever the personnel is finally up to it.  Woods will likely play more vertically than Doyle.
  • Ryan's fumbles were more about the defender stripping the ball.  OTOH, HOU fumbles were on Ryan.
  • Pryor had his moments, both good and bad.
  • Pinter still showing this was a bad experiment.
  • The outside WRs will be manned by AP and Pitt going forward...for years.  Dulin and Parris both need to show something at slot with other being APs backup.  Need to be the water bug in the middle of the field...but I suspect neither have the talent for that.  Poor Frank.
  • Granson showed something this game.
  • Collectively, what do Mo and Hines make per year?  Just asking. 
  • And yet no lead blocker on the roster for JT in short yardage.  Ryan ain't gonna sneak it on 3rd or 4th and 1.5yds.  Get ready to see more cutsie play calls in short yardage.

I am surprised they wouldn't try Jackson as a FB blocker on some plays.

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4 hours ago, stitches said:

 


that’s sad.  Receiver or Reich is letting Matt down.  I said it earlier this year, if this team fails this year it won’t be because of Matt (despite his fumbles).  Receivers not getting open makes it hard for BOTH Matt and JT

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1 hour ago, smittywerb said:


that’s sad.  Receiver or Reich is letting Matt down.  I said it earlier this year, if this team fails this year it won’t be because of Matt (despite his fumbles).  Receivers not getting open makes it hard for BOTH Matt and JT

I don’t believe that. Maybe they aren’t open because the pressure comes to quick and they can’t finish their route. This is a oline issue. Can’t evaluate pass catchers until that is fixed.

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18 hours ago, Hark said:

Hey @EastStreet thanks for the update as always. Based on the tweet, it looks like you may have mis-typed Pierce's PFF score incorrectly up top. Either that or I'm reading it wrong. Either way, thanks again:thmup:

The tweet is single week grade. 

The larger list, is full year grade. 

 

 

And FYI.. Not supposed to post sub (paid for) data, unless made public. The year grade, is public, and they normally tweet top individual grades. 

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

The tweet is single week grade. 

The larger list, is full year grade. 

 

 

And FYI.. Not supposed to post sub (paid for) data, unless made public. The year grade, is public, and they normally tweet top individual grades. 

Got it. Thanks for helping me understand.

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1 hour ago, JediXMan said:

Woods needs more snaps.

 

Smith is on skates immediately.

Likely Ryan saw it, and didn't keep eyes down field. 

Woods was open (early, not later), and Campbell wide open deeper.

If Smith didn't go full skate, likely a big gain with Parris. 

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8 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I don’t believe that. Maybe they aren’t open because the pressure comes to quick and they can’t finish their route. This is a oline issue. Can’t evaluate pass catchers until that is fixed.


see, I would say OL also.  But the previous game Matt had one of the highest TTT.  Not disagreeing because I agree that OL is apart if the problem.  But quick throws could mask a bad OL.  Peyton did it here.  So add OL to the list with receivers and Reich.

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4 hours ago, JediXMan said:

Woods needs more snaps.

 

I agree too. That play really shows his speed, he just ran by the linebacker there.

 

Jelani Woods was also open on another play that Matt Ryan threw behind him.

 

He could have had an even bigger afternoon, if it wasn't for mistakes by his teammates. Definitely want to see more of him.

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15 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Punters grade is so bad and matches the eye test. Replace him and this line gets better. Pryor is looking nice  Him and Nelson are doing well on that Left side. Which also matches the eye test of where the pressure is coming from

For about 10 seconds i really thought you were bagging on Haack, in a thread about the PFF offensive grades and was totally confused because he has been quite good for us.

Then it twigged you meant Pinter.

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19 hours ago, Nickster said:

Sometimes they have Taylor in on 3rd and long and it's another one of those head scratchers. 

They seem to just leave whatever RB is already in the game in there for third downs unless the clock stops.  Same thing happens sometimes with hines on third and short 

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12 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

Smith is on skates immediately.

Likely Ryan saw it, and didn't keep eyes down field. 

Woods was open (early, not later), and Campbell wide open deeper.

If Smith didn't go full skate, likely a big gain with Parris. 

 

So many things that make this a horrendous Ryan play.  This is the kind of thing CW was criticized for.  


Yes Smith is awful on this play.  He could throw to Woods if he goes now, but he could also stick it in to Hines for a modest gain.  So he has options on both sides of the field, and should have took one of them.  I don't mind if he doesn't want to take the head on collision if he chooses Woods, also Woods has to make it past the LB in stride for that completion to work.

 

But Hines will be there.  He has to know that.  It's the clear 2nd read.  Yet he holds. 

 

He chooses to slowly evade the pressure he saw/felt and then allows the ball to be stripped.  Terrible QBing here.

 

He's got to get better than that.  This is a very ugly play from our Savior. 

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6 hours ago, Nickster said:

 

So many things that make this a horrendous Ryan play.  This is the kind of thing CW was criticized for.  


Yes Smith is awful on this play.  He could throw to Woods if he goes now, but he could also stick it in to Hines for a modest gain.  So he has options on both sides of the field, and should have took one of them.  I don't mind if he doesn't want to take the head on collision if he chooses Woods, also Woods has to make it past the LB in stride for that completion to work.

 

But Hines will be there.  He has to know that.  It's the clear 2nd read.  Yet he holds. 

 

He chooses to slowly evade the pressure he saw/felt and then allows the ball to be stripped.  Terrible QBing here.

 

He's got to get better than that.  This is a very ugly play from our Savior. 

 

Bad QB, and bad OL. 

We can cherry pick a few plays all day, but overall, Ryan was good vs Chiefs. OL wasn't. Calls weren't.

At some point, blame should go to coaching.

Prep, scheme (OL and passing, and O general), personnel use, and calls. 

Tired of hearing "QB" is bad when everything (OL and coaching) surrounding him sucks. 

Folks fell it last couple years. Shouldn't continue. 

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Wanted to publish these, so very happy someone tweeted publicly lol. 

 

              Run          Pass   

Pryor      69            84         Easily overall best this week

Nelson   60            85

Kelly       75           58

Pinter     59            38         Easily overall worst

Smith     67            79

 

Smith's pass grade is better than my eyes. 

 

To those folks saying Pryor should move... that's silly (at least right now)... 

If anything, try inserting Dennis, or try Raimann on right side. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

 

Bad QB, and bad OL. 

We can cherry pick a few plays all day, but overall, Ryan was good vs Chiefs. OL wasn't. Calls weren't.

At some point, blame should go to coaching.

Prep, scheme (OL and passing, and O general), personnel use, and calls. 

Tired of hearing "QB" is bad when everything (OL and coaching) surrounding him sucks. 

Folks fell it last couple years. Shouldn't continue. 


dude watch Matt pinters play on all 22.  No amount of “coaching” is going to fix the physical adzwhooppin he took.  There were missed assignments on pickups, but our line is losing way too many 1 on 1 battles for the investment.  The missed assignments are on Ryan or Kelly , both long term vets who make a ton of money.  We heard ad nauseam that CW wasn’t making the right calls at the los.  Well we,can’t blame that on him anymore.

 

Ryan is not looking quick enough to be good in this team kinda like I was wondering preseason.

 

I disagree Ryan was good Saturday overall.  He had a 1 foot TD pass to an uncovered TE that any QB would have thrown.  Other than that he was bad until after the Unsportsmanlike then he led a nice methodical drive.  But overall he wasn’t good IMO.

 

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